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Quote (Colter @ Sep. 16 2013,21:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2013,09:15) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 15 2013,23:33) Again, the God of the Hebrews “redacted books” killed the poor and hungry, Jesus fed and ministered to them. Colter
So knowing that Jesus was a Jew and went to the temple with the Jews you somehow can believe Jesus didn't know the same God? Jesus disagrees with you hesays:John 4:22
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.Why is Jesus saying “What we do know” he is claiming the same exact view of God that all Jews have and Jesus also supportsthe fact that Sodom and Gomorah was punished by God.
Luke 10:11-12
New International Version (NIV)
11 ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
So why is Jesus here allowing people to believe Sodom and Gommorah were punished by God?
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.Again they were punished and this is not old testament
Jesus knew God much better, Jesus is God personified. Jesus didn't stone people to death; he didn't torture people or teach an eye for an eye. Jesus chose the more positive teachings about his Father from the OT and ignored the rest.Jude’s opinion is irrelevant, besides, there are far more immoral nations on the earth today, oddly enough NONE of the crazy OT stuff happens today, the immoral suffer without the exaggerated fables in the OT happening.
In Babylon the Hebrew priest rewrote the OT books leaving subsequent generations in confusion.
Colter
Where do you see Jesus rejecting old testament teachings? The fact is the people were not following the teachings correctly if they were Jesus would not have said “Go and sin no more”It was very difficult to prove adultery you were supposed to be an eye witness which is highly unlikely so many accusations were “false witness” testimony based upon observing circumstancial evidence
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 17 2013,01:55) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 16 2013,21:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2013,09:15) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 15 2013,23:33) Again, the God of the Hebrews “redacted books” killed the poor and hungry, Jesus fed and ministered to them. Colter
So knowing that Jesus was a Jew and went to the temple with the Jews you somehow can believe Jesus didn't know the same God? Jesus disagrees with you hesays:John 4:22
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.Why is Jesus saying “What we do know” he is claiming the same exact view of God that all Jews have and Jesus also supportsthe fact that Sodom and Gomorah was punished by God.
Luke 10:11-12
New International Version (NIV)
11 ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
So why is Jesus here allowing people to believe Sodom and Gommorah were punished by God?
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.Again they were punished and this is not old testament
Jesus knew God much better, Jesus is God personified. Jesus didn't stone people to death; he didn't torture people or teach an eye for an eye. Jesus chose the more positive teachings about his Father from the OT and ignored the rest.Jude’s opinion is irrelevant, besides, there are far more immoral nations on the earth today, oddly enough NONE of the crazy OT stuff happens today, the immoral suffer without the exaggerated fables in the OT happening.
In Babylon the Hebrew priest rewrote the OT books leaving subsequent generations in confusion.
Colter
Where do you see Jesus rejecting old testament teachings? The fact is the people were not following the teachings correctly if they were Jesus would not have said “Go and sin no more”It was very difficult to prove adultery you were supposed to be an eye witness which is highly unlikely so many accusations were “false witness” testimony based upon observing circumstancial evidence
Jesus taught forgiveness, not an eye for an eye.Jesus taught that Gods forgiveness is available through spiritual transformation, not small animal sacrifices and slavish temple services.
Jesus revealed a mature God of love, not the hatful, jealous, angry God of the OT.
Jesus never stoned anyone nor did he teach that anyone should stone others. That’s a stark contrast to the man made laws of Judaism.
Jesus taught real spiritual salvation, not theoretical ritualistic salvation.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 17 2013,04:54) Quote Jesus taught forgiveness, not an eye for an eye. God has always taught forgiveness but Justice is different than forgiveness therefore a person may have a right to equal remedy but if they choose they may also forgive. The Quran explains:
We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.
Quote Jesus taught that Gods forgiveness is available through spiritual transformation, not small animal sacrifices and slavish temple services. God has always said this:
Jeremiah 7:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Quote Jesus revealed a mature God of love, not the hatful, jealous, angry God of the OT. Jesus preached the same message as all before him did in Israel and regarding God He has alwaysbeen loving
Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.Quote Jesus never stoned anyone nor did he teach that anyone should stone others. That’s a stark contrast to the man made laws of Judaism. Jesus taught real spiritual salvation, not theoretical ritualistic salvation.
I the stoning bad or isit the act that would cause the stoning?
It was easy not to get stoned simply from abstaining from a behaviourJohn 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 17 2013,08:11) Colter,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus taught forgiveness, not an eye for an eye. God has always taught forgiveness but Justice is different than forgiveness therefore a person may have a right to equal remedy but if they choose they may also forgive. The Quran explains:
We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.
Quote Jesus taught that Gods forgiveness is available through spiritual transformation, not small animal sacrifices and slavish temple services. God has always said this:
Jeremiah 7:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Quote Jesus revealed a mature God of love, not the hatful, jealous, angry God of the OT. Jesus preached the same message as all before him did in Israel and regarding God He has alwaysbeen loving
Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.Quote Jesus never stoned anyone nor did he teach that anyone should stone others. That’s a stark contrast to the man made laws of Judaism. Jesus taught real spiritual salvation, not theoretical ritualistic salvation.
I the stoning bad or isit the act that would cause the stoning?
It was easy not to get stoned simply from abstaining from a behaviourJohn 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
* Jesus said “judge not that you remain unjudged”. The author of the Quaran failed to understand that man is not a competent judge of others as a personal matter.* Jesus taught sincere repentance, he didn't practice sacrifice as a condition, those concepts are from evolutionary religion.
*Stoning is primitive, again, Jesus taught that we are not to judge others….”let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
* the God concept of the OT was basically a creation of men. The human creators had God sending snakes to kill the poor and hungry, killing children, burning up people with fire just to make a sick example.
God incarnate in Jesus never acted like that, his last command was to “love one another as I have loved you.”
Jesus was clearly superior to the God concept of Hebrew creation.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 17 2013,10:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 17 2013,08:11) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 17 2013,04:54) Quote Jesus taught forgiveness, not an eye for an eye. God has always taught forgiveness but Justice is different than forgiveness therefore a person may have a right to equal remedy but if they choose they may also forgive. The Quran explains:
We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.
Quote Jesus taught that Gods forgiveness is available through spiritual transformation, not small animal sacrifices and slavish temple services. God has always said this:
Jeremiah 7:22-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Quote Jesus revealed a mature God of love, not the hatful, jealous, angry God of the OT. Jesus preached the same message as all before him did in Israel and regarding God He has alwaysbeen loving
Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.Quote Jesus never stoned anyone nor did he teach that anyone should stone others. That’s a stark contrast to the man made laws of Judaism. Jesus taught real spiritual salvation, not theoretical ritualistic salvation.
I the stoning bad or isit the act that would cause the stoning?
It was easy not to get stoned simply from abstaining from a behaviourJohn 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
* Jesus said “judge not that you remain unjudged”. The author of the Quaran failed to understand that man is not a competent judge of others as a personal matter.* Jesus taught sincere repentance, he didn't practice sacrifice as a condition, those concepts are from evolutionary religion.
*Stoning is primitive, again, Jesus taught that we are not to judge others….”let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
* the God concept of the OT was basically a creation of men. The human creators had God sending snakes to kill the poor and hungry, killing children, burning up people with fire just to make a sick example.
God incarnate in Jesus never acted like that, his last command was to “love one another as I have loved you.”
Jesus was clearly superior to the God concept of Hebrew creation.
Colter
when Jesus said “judge not that you remain unjudged”This hasn't anything to do with law breaking he is not saying do whatever you want or allow everything to happen otherwise you would be accusing Jesus of telling someone judging a rapist to just let it go. The idea is that of not judging the morality of the person it does not provide amnesty for criminals.
Afar as those other things Jesus never once denied God did any of those things in-fact Jesus confirmed them:
John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:Obviously Jesus had no problem with the event
Law enforcement is a matter for secular governments not mob rule, stoning or lynchings. Jesus was not a politician; his teachings were specific to the relationship between man and God. Even he does not Judge alone, but if he did his judgment would be just, but no barbaric torture and silly hell fire.
Matthew 16:20-22
New King James Version (NKJV)20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
Mark 9:29-31
New King James Version (NKJV)29 So He said to them, “This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting.”[a]
Jesus Again Predicts His Death and Resurrection
30 Then they departed from there and passed through Galilee, and He did not want anyone to know it. 31 For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.”22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
Luke 9-21
21 And He strictly warned and commanded them to tell this to no one, 22 saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”
John 11:25
New King James Version (NKJV)25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 17 2013,22:42) Law enforcement is a matter for secular governments not mob rule, stoning or lynchings. Jesus was not a politician; his teachings were specific to the relationship between man and God. Even he does not Judge alone, but if he did his judgment would be just, but no barbaric torture and silly hell fire. Matthew 16:20-22
New King James Version (NKJV)20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
Mark 9:29-31
New King James Version (NKJV)29 So He said to them, “This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting.”[a]
Jesus Again Predicts His Death and Resurrection
30 Then they departed from there and passed through Galilee, and He did not want anyone to know it. 31 For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.”22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
Luke 9-21
21 And He strictly warned and commanded them to tell this to no one, 22 saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”
John 11:25
New King James Version (NKJV)25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Colter
Quote 29 So He said to them, “This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting.” Notice how that came up? Perhaps you are seeking and finding, praise God!
Do you think demons are in a state of torture?
How what came up, your practice of ignoring the resurrection while noticing the wasteful practice of self affliction?
No, God doesn’t torture any of his lost children, that Idea is the Son of revenge, a concept born of animalistic, emotional man.
Jesus taught Love, not death and darkness.
Demons don't exist anymore, they were fallen Midway creatures. All the rebel forces were taken off the planet and await adjudication if they have not been terminated already.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 18 2013,06:07) How what came up, your practice of ignoring the resurrection while noticing the wasteful practice of self affliction? No, God doesn’t torture any of his lost children, that Idea is the Son of revenge, a concept born of animalistic, emotional man.
Jesus taught Love, not death and darkness.
Demons don't exist anymore, they were fallen Midway creatures. All the rebel forces were taken off the planet and await adjudication if they have not been terminated already.
Colter
Terminated? Why can't they be reformed?Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 18 2013,11:00) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 18 2013,06:07) How what came up, your practice of ignoring the resurrection while noticing the wasteful practice of self affliction? No, God doesn’t torture any of his lost children, that Idea is the Son of revenge, a concept born of animalistic, emotional man.
Jesus taught Love, not death and darkness.
Demons don't exist anymore, they were fallen Midway creatures. All the rebel forces were taken off the planet and await adjudication if they have not been terminated already.
Colter
Terminated? Why can't they be reformed?
They were offered mercy and rehabilitation, they rejected it.(41.3) 2:6.5 Righteousness implies that God is the source of the moral law of the universe. Truth exhibits God as a revealer, as a teacher. But love gives and craves affection, seeks understanding fellowship such as exists between parent and child. Righteousness may be the divine thought, but love is a father’s attitude. The erroneous supposition that the righteousness of God was irreconcilable with the selfless love of the heavenly Father, presupposed absence of unity in the nature of Deity and led directly to the elaboration of the atonement doctrine, which is a philosophic assault upon both the unity and the free-willness of God.
(41.4) 2:6.6 The affectionate heavenly Father, whose spirit indwells his children on earth, is not a divided personality — one of justice and one of mercy — neither does it require a mediator to secure the Father’s favor or forgiveness. Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.
(41.5) 2:6.7 God is never wrathful, vengeful, or angry. It is true that wisdom does often restrain his love, while justice conditions his rejected mercy. His love of righteousness cannot help being exhibited as equal hatred for sin. The Father is not an inconsistent personality; the divine unity is perfect. In the Paradise Trinity there is absolute unity despite the eternal identities of the co-ordinates of God.
(41.6) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.
(42.1) 2:6.9 Facing the world of personality, God is discovered to be a loving person; facing the spiritual world, he is a personal love; in religious experience he is both. Love identifies the volitional will of God. The goodness of God rests at the bottom of the divine free-willness — the universal tendency to love, show mercy, manifest patience, and minister forgiveness.
This is the sad barbarism that Muslims have been fed:
The blazing fire of Hell is fueled “with men and stones.”
“…fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith” (2:24).
“…Enough is Hell for a burning fire. Those who reject Our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty. For Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise” (4:55-56).
“But he whose balance (of good deeds) is found to be light, will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit. And what will explain to you what this is? A Fire blazing fiercely!” (101:8-11).So, Islams rehab center burns people, roasting their skin, then are offered forgiveness by their monster God concept. If you beleive that then you deserve to stay stupid!
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 17 2013,18:12) (41.6) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically……….
Hate the sin, love the sinner. – Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)Perhaps the UB is Hindu in origin?
Colter. Have you considered believing in Star Wars. There is this dark force thingy and a death star. There is good and bad, and a hairy monster called Chew Tobacco who is actually a nice guy.
It's all there mate.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2013,11:29) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 17 2013,18:12) (41.6) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically……….
Hate the sin, love the sinner. – Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)Perhaps the UB is Hindu in origin?
Gandi spoke much truth, he was spiritually free to think outside of the indoctrination of the religions of authority.Colter
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2013,11:36) Colter. Have you considered believing in Star Wars. There is this dark force thingy and a death star. There is good and bad, and a hairy monster called Chew Tobacco who is actually a nice guy. It's all there mate.
Not Star Wars, but it is well known that Geene Rodenberry, who created Star Trek, was a life long UB reader.But unlike the Hebrews exaggerated fiction, there is no sadistic God in the UB who kills children, sends snakes to kill people, sets people on fire etc all in a book whose followers claim is inerrant and written by God even though the book makes no such claim.
Colter
Fasting:
8. The Feast of Spiritual Goodness
(1656.2) 147:8.1 That night, long after the usual listeners had retired, Jesus continued to teach his apostles. He began this special instruction by quoting from the Prophet Isaiah:
(1656.3) 147:8.2 “‘Why have you fasted? For what reason do you afflict your souls while you continue to find pleasure in oppression and to take delight in injustice? Behold, you fast for the sake of strife and contention and to smite with the fist of wickedness. But you shall not fast in this way to make your voices heard on high.
(1656.4) 147:8.3 “‘Is it such a fast that I have chosen — a day for a man to afflict his soul? Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush, to grovel in sackcloth and ashes? Will you dare to call this a fast and an acceptable day in the sight of the Lord? Is not this the fast I should choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the knots of heavy burdens, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? Is it not to share my bread with the hungry and to bring those who are homeless and poor to my house? And when I see those who are naked, I will clothe them.
(1656.5) 147:8.4 “‘Then shall your light break forth as the morning while your health springs forth speedily. Your righteousness shall go before you while the glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard. Then will you call upon the Lord, and he shall answer; you will cry out, and he shall say — Here am I. And all this he will do if you refrain from oppression, condemnation, and vanity. The Father rather desires that you draw out your heart to the hungry, and that you minister to the afflicted souls; then shall your light shine in obscurity, and even your darkness shall be as the noonday. Then shall the Lord guide you continually, satisfying your soul and renewing your strength. You shall become like a watered garden, like a spring whose waters fail not. And they who do these things shall restore the wasted glories; they shall raise up the foundations of many generations; they shall be called the rebuilders of broken walls, the restorers of safe paths in which to dwell.’”
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 18 2013,11:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 18 2013,11:00) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 18 2013,06:07) How what came up, your practice of ignoring the resurrection while noticing the wasteful practice of self affliction? No, God doesn’t torture any of his lost children, that Idea is the Son of revenge, a concept born of animalistic, emotional man.
Jesus taught Love, not death and darkness.
Demons don't exist anymore, they were fallen Midway creatures. All the rebel forces were taken off the planet and await adjudication if they have not been terminated already.
Colter
Terminated? Why can't they be reformed?
They were offered mercy and rehabilitation, they rejected it.(41.3) 2:6.5 Righteousness implies that God is the source of the moral law of the universe. Truth exhibits God as a revealer, as a teacher. But love gives and craves affection, seeks understanding fellowship such as exists between parent and child. Righteousness may be the divine thought, but love is a father’s attitude. The erroneous supposition that the righteousness of God was irreconcilable with the selfless love of the heavenly Father, presupposed absence of unity in the nature of Deity and led directly to the elaboration of the atonement doctrine, which is a philosophic assault upon both the unity and the free-willness of God.
(41.4) 2:6.6 The affectionate heavenly Father, whose spirit indwells his children on earth, is not a divided personality — one of justice and one of mercy — neither does it require a mediator to secure the Father’s favor or forgiveness. Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.
(41.5) 2:6.7 God is never wrathful, vengeful, or angry. It is true that wisdom does often restrain his love, while justice conditions his rejected mercy. His love of righteousness cannot help being exhibited as equal hatred for sin. The Father is not an inconsistent personality; the divine unity is perfect. In the Paradise Trinity there is absolute unity despite the eternal identities of the co-ordinates of God.
(41.6) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.
(42.1) 2:6.9 Facing the world of personality, God is discovered to be a loving person; facing the spiritual world, he is a personal love; in religious experience he is both. Love identifies the volitional will of God. The goodness of God rests at the bottom of the divine free-willness — the universal tendency to love, show mercy, manifest patience, and minister forgiveness.
Yes, but if they rejected it from not comprehending the truth isn't it cruel to punish the ignorant?Unlike the sadistic monster God concepts that use fear, manipulation and control in evolved religions, the Process of final judgement revealed in the UB is so fair it wins the approval of even the sinner:
3. The Time Lag of Justice
(615.3) 54:3.1 The moral will creatures of the evolutionary worlds are always bothered with the unthinking question as to why the all-wise Creators permit evil and sin. They fail to comprehend that both are inevitable if the creature is to be truly free. The free will of evolving man or exquisite angel is not a mere philosophic concept, a symbolic ideal. Man’s ability to choose good or evil is a universe reality. This liberty to choose for oneself is an endowment of the Supreme Rulers, and they will not permit any being or group of beings to deprive a single personality in the wide universe of this divinely bestowed liberty — not even to satisfy such misguided and ignorant beings in the enjoyment of this misnamed personal liberty.
(615.4) 54:3.2 Although conscious and wholehearted identification with evil (sin) is the equivalent of nonexistence (annihilation), there must always intervene between the time of such personal identification with sin and the execution of the penalty — the automatic result of such a willful embrace of evil — a period of time of sufficient length to allow for such an adjudication of such an individual’s universe status as will prove entirely satisfactory to all related universe personalities, and which will be so fair and just as to win the approval of the sinner himself.
(615.5) 54:3.3 But if this universe rebel against the reality of truth and goodness refuses to approve the verdict, and if the guilty one knows in his heart the justice of his condemnation but refuses to make such confession, then must the execution of sentence be delayed in accordance with the discretion of the Ancients of Days. And the Ancients of Days refuse to annihilate any being until all moral values and all spiritual realities are extinct, both in the evildoer and in all related supporters and possible sympathizers.
With so many innocent victims of the rapidly growing Islamic movmeant buying into these torture threats within the doctrine and the fellowship itself, one has to wonder how sincere they actually are as opposed to joining out of fear and dread of the torturing Allah God concept.
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 18 2013,11:46) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2013,11:36) Colter. Have you considered believing in Star Wars. There is this dark force thingy and a death star. There is good and bad, and a hairy monster called Chew Tobacco who is actually a nice guy. It's all there mate.
Not Star Wars, but it is well known that Geene Rodenberry, who created Star Trek, was a life long UB reader.But unlike the Hebrews exaggerated fiction, there is no sadistic God in the UB who kills children, sends snakes to kill people, sets people on fire etc all in a book whose followers claim is inerrant and written by God even though the book makes no such claim.
Colter
Please stand at the end of the 'I have a problem with God' queue. Stop pushing your way to the front sir.BTW, I like Star Trek and most science fiction. But I don't believe that they are true. At best they come up with futuristic concepts and ideas that might become reality when our technological ability enables them.
I would probably put Planet Urantia up there with maybe Caprica. But I am still waiting for the movie to come out before making a decision on that.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2013,19:23) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 18 2013,11:46) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2013,11:36) Colter. Have you considered believing in Star Wars. There is this dark force thingy and a death star. There is good and bad, and a hairy monster called Chew Tobacco who is actually a nice guy. It's all there mate.
Not Star Wars, but it is well known that Geene Rodenberry, who created Star Trek, was a life long UB reader.But unlike the Hebrews exaggerated fiction, there is no sadistic God in the UB who kills children, sends snakes to kill people, sets people on fire etc all in a book whose followers claim is inerrant and written by God even though the book makes no such claim.
Colter
Please stand at the end of the 'I have a problem with God' queue. Stop pushing your way to the front sir.BTW, I like Star Trek and most science fiction. But I don't believe that they are true. At best they come up with futuristic concepts and ideas that might become reality when our technological ability enables them.
I would probably put Planet Urantia up there with maybe Caprica. But I am still waiting for the movie to come out before making a decision on that.
Sure you do, if you believe the bulk of the redacted OT narratives that the Hebrew priest created about themselves (the RCC equivelent) then your historical worldview is a fiction.Colter
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