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Eph 5:5
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person–such a man is an idolater–has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,09:03) Here is the UB Trinity picture. UB Trinity & administrative structure
Colter
Thanks Colter.Mystery Babylon. Age Old Religion. Harlot.
Babylon Trinity
Egyptian Trinity
After Babel, languages were divided and the Trinity took on many different names from the new languages. Here is the Egyptian version.
Catholic Trinity
Here is the popular version today. Over 1 billion are directly under her influence and are drunk on her wine. This is the one that WJ is drunk on.
Hindu Trinity
Here is the Hindu Trinity. Same setup different names.
Urantia Trinity
A small player, the Urantia is of the same spirit of deception. Looks like it is influenced by the Catholic Trinity and Hindu one. This is the one Colter is drunk on.
Exodus 20:3-4
“You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.”1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.Isaiah 41:29
“See, they are all false! Their deeds amount to nothing; their images are but wind and confusion.”2 Kings 17:40-41
They would not listen, however, but persisted in their former practices. Even while these people were worshipping the Lord, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their fathers did.Ezekial 6:8-9
“…How I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts, which have turned away from me, and by their eyes, which have lusted after their idols. They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and for all their detestable practices.”Quote (t8 @ Aug. 12 2013,16:17) Eph 5:5
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person–such a man is an idolater–has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,09:03) Here is the UB Trinity picture. UB Trinity & administrative structure
Colter
Thanks Colter.Mystery Babylon. Age Old Religion. Harlot.
Babylon Trinity
Egyptian Trinity
After Babel, languages were divided and the Trinity took on many different names from the new languages. Here is the Egyptian version.
Catholic Trinity
Here is the popular version today. Over 1 billion are directly under her influence and are drunk on her wine. This is the one that WJ is drunk on.
Hindu Trinity
Here is the Hindu Trinity. Same setup different names.
Urantia Trinity
A small player, the Urantia is of the same spirit of deception. Looks like it is influenced by the Catholic Trinity and Hindu one. This is the one Colter is drunk on.
Exodus 20:3-4
“You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.”1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.Isaiah 41:29
“See, they are all false! Their deeds amount to nothing; their images are but wind and confusion.”2 Kings 17:40-41
They would not listen, however, but persisted in their former practices. Even while these people were worshipping the Lord, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their fathers did.Ezekial 6:8-9
“…How I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts, which have turned away from me, and by their eyes, which have lusted after their idols. They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and for all their detestable practices.”
Worshipping mammon is also
considered as worshipping idols.wakeup.
That is true Wakeup.
As an aside, why did you quote my post.
Is much easier to read by adding in your 2 lines only.
The quote makes the conversation harder to read.I am thinking of disabling this feature to get more concise conversations.
Quoting is for replying to a post that is further back.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:37) That is true Wakeup. As an aside, why did you quote my post.
Is much easier to read by adding in your 2 lines only.
The quote makes the conversation harder to read.I am thinking of disabling this feature to get more concise conversations.
Quoting is for replying to a post that is further back.
T8.I will do that next time.
wakeup.
t8, it's ok that you don't get it, others do, but the insight into the Trinity is not a requirement for salvation….nor is map reading.
I know it’s difficult for narrow minded Christians to even conceive but, there were other people in the world besides the Jews who also had faith in God, even monotheism. In fact the Israelites brought spiritual concepts with them from the Egyptians that they incorporated into their religion, however the ego trip of the OT writers in Babylon kind of tends to portray the Jews as “Gods chosen people” when ALL mankind is Gods chosen people. I’ve always though that it was funny that the coming of the Son was revealed to Magicians and not the Temple authorities LOL!
“Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?”
The Jews use the same sort of self deceiving process to deny Jesus. They also have firm, legalistic arguments as to why they reject Jesus as just one of the many false Messiahs that lived before, during and after the times of Jesus. NONE of them lived up to the false hopes of the Jews and none ever will.
But it should not be unexpected that, when a divine being is incarnate as a human of the realm, there would be considerable confusion and debate left in the wake of his miraculous life among us especially since Jesus left no writings behind and his apostles were often perplexed by his many sided teachings.
The fact of Jesus' incarnation, his life on earth and his return on high as Lord and God should be enough for the anti-Trinitarians to at least yield to faith in the possibility that they don't know everything.
The Life of Jesus was a revelation of new facts.
God (who is spirit) delegates power and authority to his Sons, God the Father is personified in his Sons.
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,15:20) (875.2) 78:7.5 But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the river’s rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
bodhitharta, good get, but you left out an important, related fact as to why the Hebrew writers chose that legend of Noah when trying to retrace their bloodlines:“874.8) 78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.”
Sacred and Profane History
(1070.4) 97:8.1 The custom of looking upon the record of the experiences of the Hebrews as sacred history and upon the transactions of the rest of the world as profane history is responsible for much of the confusion existing in the human mind as to the interpretation of history. And this difficulty arises because there is no secular history of the Jews. After the priests of the Babylonian exile had prepared their new record of God’s supposedly miraculous dealings with the Hebrews, the sacred history of Israel as portrayed in the Old Testament, they carefully and completely destroyed the existing records of Hebrew affairs — such books as “The Doings of the Kings of Israel” and “The Doings of the Kings of Judah,” together with several other more or less accurate records of Hebrew history.(1070.5) 97:8.2 In order to understand how the devastating pressure and the inescapable coercion of secular history so terrorized the captive and alien-ruled Jews that they attempted the complete rewriting and recasting of their history, we should briefly survey the record of their perplexing national experience. It must be remembered that the Jews failed to evolve an adequate nontheologic philosophy of life. They struggled with their original and Egyptian concept of divine rewards for righteousness coupled with dire punishments for sin. The drama of Job was something of a protest against this erroneous philosophy. The frank pessimism of Ecclesiastes was a worldly wise reaction to these overoptimistic beliefs in Providence.
(1071.1) 97:8.3 But five hundred years of the overlordship of alien rulers was too much for even the patient and long-suffering Jews. The prophets and priests began to cry: “How long, O Lord, how long?” As the honest Jew searched the Scriptures, his confusion became worse confounded. An olden seer promised that God would protect and deliver his “chosen people.” Amos had threatened that God would abandon Israel unless they re-established their standards of national righteousness. The scribe of Deuteronomy had portrayed the Great Choice — as between the good and the evil, the blessing and the curse. Isaiah the first had preached a beneficent king-deliverer. Jeremiah had proclaimed an era of inner righteousness — the covenant written on the tablets of the heart. The second Isaiah talked about salvation by sacrifice and redemption. Ezekiel proclaimed deliverance through the service of devotion, and Ezra promised prosperity by adherence to the law. But in spite of all this they lingered on in bondage, and deliverance was deferred. Then Daniel presented the drama of the impending “crisis” — the smiting of the great image and the immediate establishment of the everlasting reign of righteousness, the Messianic kingdom.
(1071.2) 97:8.4 And all of this false hope led to such a degree of racial disappointment and frustration that the leaders of the Jews were so confused they failed to recognize and accept the mission and ministry of a divine Son of Paradise when he presently came to them in the likeness of mortal flesh — incarnated as the Son of Man.
(1071.3) 97:8.5 All modern religions have seriously blundered in the attempt to put a miraculous interpretation on certain epochs of human history. While it is true that God has many times thrust a Father’s hand of providential intervention into the stream of human affairs, it is a mistake to regard theologic dogmas and religious superstition as a supernatural sedimentation appearing by miraculous action in this stream of human history. The fact that the “Most Highs rule in the kingdoms of men” does not convert secular history into so-called sacred history.
(1071.4) 97:8.6 New Testament authors and later Christian writers further complicated the distortion of Hebrew history by their well-meant attempts to transcendentalize the Jewish prophets. Thus has Hebrew history been disastrously exploited by both Jewish and Christian writers. Secular Hebrew history has been thoroughly dogmatized. It has been converted into a fiction of sacred history and has become inextricably bound up with the moral concepts and religious teachings of the so-called Christian nations.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,15:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,15:20) (875.2) 78:7.5 But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the river’s rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
And the people of noah,– when they rejected the messengers, We drowned them, and We made them as a Sign for mankind; and We have prepared for (all) wrong-doers a grievous Penalty;-( سورة الفرقان , Al-Furqan, Chapter #25, Verse #37)
hey, I get to use t8's map analogy. The Koran is just using the porkies of the Hebrew priest that they incorporated into the edited, redacted OT books in Babylon about God flooding the earth because he (God) was frustrated about the people he made…..so say the Hebrew authors.
“(1072.7) 97:9.9 So many times did the priests, after preparing their fictitious narratives of God’s miraculous dealings with Israel, fail fully to delete the plain and matter-of-fact statements which already rested in the records.
Colter
Quote Colter. You *believe* in Jesus,but then *disagree* with what he says.
For he did mention the days of Noah.
This is how all these new religions are construted.
Agree with the scriptures in some parts;then disagree in some parts. This is what makes them different.Causing confusion is the whole plan.
We need to wake up to satans craftiness.
For he is of a higher plain than humans.wakeup.
Wakeup, According to anti Trinitarians, there is just God, man, and angels…..and a temporary floating space man Jesus. But then you add your Satan God who is on the “higher plain”.
What a complete mess! Is it any wonder there is so much confusion in Christianity, so many different competing sects!
Anyway, we now have the complete, accurate story of the life of the incarnate Son to compare the gospels with and can see human errors of the Jewish authors who tried to fit Jesus into the Messianic ideas.
Colter
III. The First Source and Center
(4.13) 0:3.1 Total, infinite reality is existential in seven phases and as seven co-ordinate Absolutes:(5.1) 0:3.2 1. The First Source and Center.
(5.2) 0:3.3 2. The Second Source and Center.
(5.3) 0:3.4 3. The Third Source and Center.
(5.4) 0:3.5 4. The Isle of Paradise.
(5.5) 0:3.6 5. The Deity Absolute.
(5.6) 0:3.7 6. The Universal Absolute.
(5.7) 0:3.8 7. The Unqualified Absolute.
(5.8) 0:3.9 God, as the First Source and Center, is primal in relation to total reality — unqualifiedly. The First Source and Center is infinite as well as eternal and is therefore limited or conditioned only by volition.
(5.9) 0:3.10 God — the Universal Father — is the personality of the First Source and Center and as such maintains personal relations of infinite control over all co-ordinate and subordinate sources and centers. Such control is personal and infinite in potential, even though it may never actually function owing to the perfection of the function of such co-ordinate and subordinate sources and centers and personalities.
(5.10) 0:3.11 The First Source and Center is, therefore, primal in all domains: deified or undeified, personal or impersonal, actual or potential, finite or infinite. No thing or being, no relativity or finality, exists except in direct or indirect relation to, and dependence on, the primacy of the First Source and Center.
(5.11) 0:3.12 The First Source and Center is related to the universe as:
(5.12) 0:3.13 1. The gravity forces of the material universes are convergent in the gravity center of nether Paradise. That is just why the geographic location of his person is eternally fixed in absolute relation to the force-energy center of the nether or material plane of Paradise. But the absolute personality of Deity exists on the upper or spiritual plane of Paradise.
(5.13) 0:3.14 2. The mind forces are convergent in the Infinite Spirit; the differential and divergent cosmic mind in the Seven Master Spirits; the factualizing mind of the Supreme as a time-space experience in Majeston.
(5.14) 0:3.15 3. The universe spirit forces are convergent in the Eternal Son.
(5.15) 0:3.16 4. The unlimited capacity for deity action resides in the Deity Absolute.
(5.16) 0:3.17 5. The unlimited capacity for infinity response exists in the Unqualified Absolute.
(5.17) 0:3.18 6. The two Absolutes — Qualified and Unqualified — are co-ordinated and unified in and by the Universal Absolute.
(5.18) 0:3.19 7. The potential personality of an evolutionary moral being or of any other moral being is centered in the personality of the Universal Father.
(5.19) 0:3.20 REALITY, as comprehended by finite beings, is partial, relative, and shadowy. The maximum Deity reality fully comprehensible by evolutionary finite creatures is embraced within the Supreme Being. Nevertheless there are antecedent and eternal realities, superfinite realities, which are ancestral to this Supreme Deity of evolutionary time-space creatures. In attempting to portray the origin and nature of universal reality, we are forced to employ the technique of time-space reasoning in order to reach the level of the finite mind. Therefore must many of the simultaneous events of eternity be presented as sequential transactions.
(6.1) 0:3.21 As a time-space creature would view the origin and differentiation of Reality, the eternal and infinite I AM achieved Deity liberation from the fetters of unqualified infinity through the exercise of inherent and eternal free will, and this divorcement from unqualified infinity produced the first absolute divinity-tension. This tension of infinity differential is resolved by the Universal Absolute, which functions to unify and co-ordinate the dynamic infinity of Total Deity and the static infinity of the Unqualified Absolute.
(6.2) 0:3.22 In this original transaction the theoretical I AM achieved the realization of personality by becoming the Eternal Father of the Original Son simultaneously with becoming the Eternal Source of the Isle of Paradise. Coexistent with the differentiation of the Son from the Father, and in the presence of Paradise, there appeared the person of the Infinite Spirit and the central universe of Havona. With the appearance of coexistent personal Deity, the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, the Father escaped, as a personality, from otherwise inevitable diffusion throughout the potential of Total Deity. Thenceforth it is only in Trinity association with his two Deity equals that the Father fills all Deity potential, while increasingly experiential Deity is being actualized on the divinity levels of Supremacy, Ultimacy, and Absoluteness.
(6.3) 0:3.23 The concept of the I AM is a philosophic concession which we make to the time-bound, space-fettered, finite mind of man, to the impossibility of creature comprehension of eternity existences — nonbeginning, nonending realities and relationships. To the time-space creature, all things must have a beginning save only the ONE UNCAUSED — the primeval cause of causes. Therefore do we conceptualize this philosophic value-level as the I AM, at the same time instructing all creatures that the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit are coeternal with the I AM; in other words, that there never was a time when the I AM was not the Father of the Son and, with him, of the Spirit.
(6.4) 0:3.24 The Infinite is used to denote the fullness — the finality — implied by the primacy of the First Source and Center. The theoretical I AM is a creature-philosophic extension of the “infinity of will,” but the Infinite is an actual value-level representing the eternity-intension of the true infinity of the absolute and unfettered free will of the Universal Father. This concept is sometimes designated the Father-Infinite.
(6.5) 0:3.25 Much of the confusion of all orders of beings, high and low, in their efforts to discover the Father-Infinite, is inherent in their limitations of comprehension. The absolute primacy of the Universal Father is not apparent on subinfinite levels; therefore is it probable that only the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit truly know the Father as an infinity; to all other personalities such a concept represents the exercise of faith.
Colter
The weird thing Colter is you believe in a trinity but then you talk about multiple sons although your trinity uses the term Eternal Son. Are there multiple Eternal Sons?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 13 2013,06:25) The weird thing Colter is you believe in a trinity but then you talk about multiple sons although your trinity uses the term Eternal Son. Are there multiple Eternal Sons?
bodhitharta, thats a fair observation and question, the answer is No! The Trinity is practically non-understandable by us, but it is real, The revelators use English language words and concepts to portray what God is. Man conceptualizes God to be one like himself, we can't help but to think that God is like an old man, a Father.The Ub explains:
“THE Paradise Trinity of eternal Deities facilitates the Father’s escape from personality absolutism. The Trinity perfectly associates the limitless expression of God’s infinite personal will with the absoluteness of Deity. The Eternal Son and the various Sons of divine origin, together with the Conjoint Actor and his universe children, effectively provide for the Father’s liberation from the limitations otherwise inherent in primacy, perfection, changelessness, eternity, universality, absoluteness, and infinity.
Further:
Deity Personalization
(109.5) 10:2.1 By the technique of trinitization the Father divests himself of that unqualified spirit personality which is the Son, but in so doing he constitutes himself the Father of this very Son and thereby possesses himself of unlimited capacity to become the divine Father of all subsequently created, eventuated, or other personalized types of intelligent will creatures. As the absolute and unqualified personality the Father can function only as and with the Son, but as a personal Father he continues to bestow personality upon the diverse hosts of the differing levels of intelligent will creatures, and he forever maintains personal relations of loving association with this vast family of universe children.(109.6) 10:2.2 After the Father has bestowed upon the personality of his Son the fullness of himself, and when this act of self-bestowal is complete and perfect, of the infinite power and nature which are thus existent in the Father-Son union, the eternal partners conjointly bestow those qualities and attributes which constitute still another being like themselves; and this conjoint personality, the Infinite Spirit, completes the existential personalization of Deity.
(110.1) 10:2.3 The Son is indispensable to the fatherhood of God. The Spirit is indispensable to the fraternity of the Second and Third Persons. Three persons are a minimum social group, but this is least of all the many reasons for believing in the inevitability of the Conjoint Actor.
(110.2) 10:2.4 The First Source and Center is the infinite father-personality, the unlimited source personality. The Eternal Son is the unqualified personality-absolute, that divine being who stands throughout all time and eternity as the perfect revelation of the personal nature of God. The Infinite Spirit is the conjoint personality, the unique personal consequence of the everlasting Father-Son union.
(110.3) 10:2.5 The personality of the First Source and Center is the personality of infinity minus the absolute personality of the Eternal Son. The personality of the Third Source and Center is the superadditive consequence of the union of the liberated Father-personality and the absolute Son-personality.
(110.4) 10:2.6 The Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit are unique persons; none is a duplicate; each is original; all are united.
(110.5) 10:2.7 The Eternal Son alone experiences the fullness of divine personality relationship, consciousness of both sonship with the Father and paternity to the Spirit and of divine equality with both Father-ancestor and Spirit-associate. The Father knows the experience of having a Son who is his equal, but the Father knows no ancestral antecedents. The Eternal Son has the experience of sonship, recognition of personality ancestry, and at the same time the Son is conscious of being joint parent to the Infinite Spirit. The Infinite Spirit is conscious of twofold personality ancestry but is not parental to a co-ordinate Deity personality. With the Spirit the existential cycle of Deity personalization attains completion; the primary personalities of the Third Source and Center are experiential and are seven in number.
(110.6) 10:2.8 I am of origin in the Paradise Trinity. I know the Trinity as unified Deity; I also know that the Father, Son, and Spirit exist and act in their definite personal capacities. I positively know that they not only act personally and collectively, but that they also co-ordinate their performances in various groupings, so that in the end they function in seven different singular and plural capacities. And since these seven associations exhaust the possibilities for such divinity combination, it is inevitable that the realities of the universe shall appear in seven variations of values, meanings, and personality.
Now, who was Jesus (Michael)? He is a Son of the Trinity there are more than 700,000, Paradise Creator Sons. Each of these is Father of his own co-creation of inhabited worlds. Jesus has 10,000,000 inhabited worlds; ours (the lowliest, fallen world) was the one he chose for the requisite incarnation and eventual achievement of unquestioned sovereignty.
The Paradise Creator Sons
(234.1) 21:0.1 THE Creator Sons are the makers and rulers of the local universes of time and space. These universe creators and sovereigns are of dual origin, embodying the characteristics of God the Father and God the Son. But each Creator Son is different from every other; each is unique in nature as well as in personality; each is the “only-begotten Son” of the perfect deity ideal of his origin.
(234.2) 21:0.2 In the vast work of organizing, evolving, and perfecting a local universe, these high Sons always enjoy the sustaining approval of the Universal Father. The relationship of the Creator Sons with their Paradise Father is touching and superlative. No doubt the profound affection of the Deity parents for their divine progeny is the wellspring of that beautiful and well-nigh divine love which even mortal parents bear their children.
(234.3) 21:0.3 These primary Paradise Sons are personalized as Michaels. As they go forth from Paradise to found their universes, they are known as Creator Michaels. When settled in supreme authority, they are called Master Michaels. Sometimes we refer to the sovereign of your universe of Nebadon as Christ Michael. Always and forever do they reign after the “order of Michael,” that being the designation of the first Son of their order and nature.
(234.4) 21:0.4 The original or first-born Michael has never experienced incarnation as a material being, but seven times he passed through the experience of spiritual creature ascent on the seven circuits of Havona, advancing from the outer spheres to the innermost circuit of the central creation. The order of Michael knows the grand universe from one end to the other; there is no essential experience of any of the children of time and space in which the Michaels have not personally participated; they are in fact partakers not only of the divine nature but also of your nature, meaning all natures, from the highest to the lowest.
(234.5) 21:0.5 The original Michael is the presiding head of the primary Paradise Sons when they assemble for conference at the center of all things. Not long since on Uversa we recorded a universal broadcast of a conclave extraordinary on the eternal Isle of one hundred fifty thousand Creator Sons assembled in the parental presence and engaged in deliberations having to do wi
th the progress of the unification and stabilization of the universe of universes. This was a selected group of Sovereign Michaels, sevenfold bestowal Sons.Caino
Colter.
QUOTE:
THE Paradise Trinity of eternal Deities facilitates the Father’s escape from personality absolutism. The Trinity perfectly associates the limitless expression of God’s infinite personal will with the absoluteness of Deity. The Eternal Son and the various Sons of divine origin, together with the Conjoint Actor and his universe children, effectively provide for the Father’s liberation from the limitations otherwise inherent in primacy, perfection, changelessness, eternity, universality, absoluteness, and infinity.UNQUOTE:
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That does not explain anything;just great colorful words
that dont say anything.
If no man can understand the trinity,its because it is a doctrine of darkness and confusion. The spirit of truth has not been given.There is *NO* trinity: isiah44:8—is there a God beside me? Ye,there is no god,I know not any.
Isiah 43:11.I,even I am the Lord,and beside me there is *NO* saviour.
Isaiah 45:21. —and there is **no god** else beside me;
a just God and a saviour;there is *NONE* beside me.
verse22. —-for I am God,and there is *NONE* else.
I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,**THE FIRST AND THE LAST**.
Rev1.To defend the trinity;you will say that all that has been corrupted by the jews.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 13 2013,09:17) Colter. QUOTE:
THE Paradise Trinity of eternal Deities facilitates the Father’s escape from personality absolutism. The Trinity perfectly associates the limitless expression of God’s infinite personal will with the absoluteness of Deity. The Eternal Son and the various Sons of divine origin, together with the Conjoint Actor and his universe children, effectively provide for the Father’s liberation from the limitations otherwise inherent in primacy, perfection, changelessness, eternity, universality, absoluteness, and infinity.UNQUOTE:
********
That does not explain anything;just great colorful words
that dont say anything.
If no man can understand the trinity,its because it is a doctrine of darkness and confusion. The spirit of truth has not been given.There is *NO* trinity: isiah44:8—is there a God beside me? Ye,there is no god,I know not any.
Isiah 43:11.I,even I am the Lord,and beside me there is *NO* saviour.
Isaiah 45:21. —and there is **no god** else beside me;
a just God and a saviour;there is *NONE* beside me.
verse22. —-for I am God,and there is *NONE* else.
I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,**THE FIRST AND THE LAST**.
Rev1.To defend the trinity;you will say that all that has been corrupted by the jews.
wakeup.
Then explain God to us Wakeup?Do I have time to make a pot of coffee?
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,12:41) So believing in any three things that are “one”, like Peter, Paul, and John are “one” with God and His servant Jesus Christ, is the same as believing that we have a Trinity Godhead made up of three persons? 
No It just means you believe in a trinity also for your salvation, right?WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,17:42) No It just means you believe in a trinity also for your salvation, right?
How many words did Jesus himself write down for later generations, Keith?Who is it that told us there is only one name under heaven by which we can be saved?
And wouldn't we include the person who actually wrote that down for us as “important to our salvation”?
Also, is there a scripture where we are ever told to “believe in” the Holy Spirit OF our one and only God – who also happens to be Jesus' one and only God as well?
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:50) bodhitharta, good get, but you left out an important, related fact as to why the Hebrew writers chose that legend of Noah when trying to retrace their bloodlines: “874.8) 78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.”
Colter,We have discussed this before. If these scribes wanted to link Noah to Adam, they wouldn't have had to create a flood to do so.
This claim is another weakness of the UB, IMO.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,11:11) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:50) bodhitharta, good get, but you left out an important, related fact as to why the Hebrew writers chose that legend of Noah when trying to retrace their bloodlines: “874.8) 78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.”
Colter,We have discussed this before. If these scribes wanted to link Noah to Adam, they wouldn't have had to create a flood to do so.
This claim is another weakness of the UB, IMO.
We discussed it but you didn't seem to understand it, the arrival of Adam and Eve (on an evolved, populated earth, that is roughly 4.8 billion years old) occurred 37,000 years before the Hebrews wrote Genesis. There was no way they could trace bloodlines back to Adam, so they went as far as they could and then created the world wide flood to fill the gap as they incorporated the Persian-origin story of creation into their NEW story written in Babylon.The effect was to bring Adam and Eve, and some of their descendants much closer to the time of the local flood legand of Noah. The linkage from Adam to Noah is not true. …….but you should have enough common sense to figure out that the flood story is an outrageous lie!
But as schalors and intellectually honest people can so clearly see they left fragments in the old story that give away the truth of the existence of the Nodites as well as the fallen beast present on the earth when they arrived.
Also, the ancient fallen Sons story is still in the narrative, they attempted to populate the earth with their seed after the rebellion. The Nephelim.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,11:11) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:50) bodhitharta, good get, but you left out an important, related fact as to why the Hebrew writers chose that legend of Noah when trying to retrace their bloodlines: “874.8) 78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.”
Colter,We have discussed this before. If these scribes wanted to link Noah to Adam, they wouldn't have had to create a flood to do so.
This claim is another weakness of the UB, IMO.
Very goodpoint and observation
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