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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2013,21:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:46) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,04:49) Jesus is a Son of the Eternal Son.
So then Jesus ISN'T “the Eternal Son”?And isn't it “the Eternal Son” who “is” the Father?
Or are all the “paradise creator sons” also “the Eternal Father”?
Are you saying that the GRANDSON of the Father also IS the Father?
Mike, in truth you are just being argumentative now, you are insincere. I've provided the explanations repeatedly but you insist upon thinking like a child. The Universal Father in the infinite I AM we cant know him as a personality reality, but because of his lovable nature and his plan for creation, he has chosen to down step and reveal himself to us in the persons of his representative Sons.Quibble with God about it.
Colter
I just have to say, his questions are legitimate because if Michael is Jesus and both are personifications of God as eternal son then all the eternal sons are the eternal Father which is why you said there was only one God, correct?So now why is it needed to distinguish between Michael and Jesus if they are the same being? Also is it the case that Michael left heaven to be Jesus on earth if so wouldn't the risen Jesus go back to being called Michael since that's his name?
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,15:02) Your defense against the scriptures is no defense at all. And being seduced by doctrine of demons happens to people who are wayward in their heart. If a person seeks for the truth and remains humble in their search, they will find the truth.
You have rejected the scriptures, but more importantly, you have rejected the gospel.
Until such point you reassess this, you will remain lost in the wilderness.You have the rest of your natural life to find the way. Who knows how long that will be.
T8, you take yourself to seriously.Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 28 2013,16:04) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2013,21:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:46) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,04:49) Jesus is a Son of the Eternal Son.
So then Jesus ISN'T “the Eternal Son”?And isn't it “the Eternal Son” who “is” the Father?
Or are all the “paradise creator sons” also “the Eternal Father”?
Are you saying that the GRANDSON of the Father also IS the Father?
Mike, in truth you are just being argumentative now, you are insincere. I've provided the explanations repeatedly but you insist upon thinking like a child. The Universal Father in the infinite I AM we cant know him as a personality reality, but because of his lovable nature and his plan for creation, he has chosen to down step and reveal himself to us in the persons of his representative Sons.Quibble with God about it.
Colter
I just have to say, his questions are legitimate because if Michael is Jesus and both are personifications of God as eternal son then all the eternal sons are the eternal Father which is why you said there was only one God, correct?So now why is it needed to distinguish between Michael and Jesus if they are the same being? Also is it the case that Michael left heaven to be Jesus on earth if so wouldn't the risen Jesus go back to being called Michael since that's his name?
Boditharta.The urantia, and the qur'an and others;are not spiritual books of substance;just great words about God.
Thats the reason why they need to quote bible scriptures
to explain the doctrine; and get into a mess.On its own;those books are just reading books,with a wonerful story of God, and heaven and angels.
They dont have the puzzles where we can seek
scripture by scripture, and form the great picture.The holy bible contains of many scriptures,we must put together to see the big picture of Gods plan on earth.
From beginning to end.God knows the heart of men;and he has created a book
that can not be corrupted by men.
We need to read it line upon line;precept upon precept,
here a little, and there a little, to put the puzzles together.
It took me 40yrs to understand that one book.It will only take me two days to read a story book.
Not 40 years.
Study the qur'an from beginning to end by it self;and see what great picture you get; and try to explain it; without quoting the bible.All it will tell you is that allah is great,
he created everything,and we must submit to him alone.
and mohamad is his prophet,and worship no other god but allah.
The urantia is also just a book with a story about God and angels,and the universe.
With no substance;there is no big picture that you can see at the end.wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 29 2013,00:34) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,15:02) Your defense against the scriptures is no defense at all. And being seduced by doctrine of demons happens to people who are wayward in their heart. If a person seeks for the truth and remains humble in their search, they will find the truth.
You have rejected the scriptures, but more importantly, you have rejected the gospel.
Until such point you reassess this, you will remain lost in the wilderness.You have the rest of your natural life to find the way. Who knows how long that will be.
T8, you take yourself to seriously.Colter
I take scripture and my search for truth seriously.
I can laugh at myself though.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 28 2013,16:04) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2013,21:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:46) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,04:49) Jesus is a Son of the Eternal Son.
So then Jesus ISN'T “the Eternal Son”?And isn't it “the Eternal Son” who “is” the Father?
Or are all the “paradise creator sons” also “the Eternal Father”?
Are you saying that the GRANDSON of the Father also IS the Father?
Mike, in truth you are just being argumentative now, you are insincere. I've provided the explanations repeatedly but you insist upon thinking like a child. The Universal Father in the infinite I AM we cant know him as a personality reality, but because of his lovable nature and his plan for creation, he has chosen to down step and reveal himself to us in the persons of his representative Sons.Quibble with God about it.
Colter
I just have to say, his questions are legitimate because if Michael is Jesus and both are personifications of God as eternal son then all the eternal sons are the eternal Father which is why you said there was only one God, correct?So now why is it needed to distinguish between Michael and Jesus if they are the same being? Also is it the case that Michael left heaven to be Jesus on earth if so wouldn't the risen Jesus go back to being called Michael since that's his name?
The term “Son of Man” means divine being incarnate as a human. Jesus adopted the concept from the Book of Enoch.Michael incarnate as an ordinary mortal of the realm, he was named after Joshua of old. When he returned on high to his rightful position, he is now known as Christ Michael.
Yes, he would go back to being called Michael again except no one knew his heavenly name, at least not until the revelation to John on Patmos 50 years after he returned to heaven. Even then that revelation did not survive intact.
The term “Son of Man” means divine being incarnate as a human. Jesus adopted the concept from the Book of Enoch.
Michael incarnate as an ordinary mortal of the realm, he was named after Joshua of old. When he returned on high to his rightful position, he is now known as Christ Michael.
Yes, he would go back to being called Michael again except no one knew his heavenly name, at least not until the revelation to John on Patmos 50 years after he returned to heaven. Even then that revelation did not survive intact.
Rev 12+ is past tense; it started 200,000 years ago and ended with Michael incarnate. The Lucifer rebellion was terminated just before Jesus began his public work. It took place on Mt Hermon.
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Colter
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,21:58) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 29 2013,00:34) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,15:02) Your defense against the scriptures is no defense at all. And being seduced by doctrine of demons happens to people who are wayward in their heart. If a person seeks for the truth and remains humble in their search, they will find the truth.
You have rejected the scriptures, but more importantly, you have rejected the gospel.
Until such point you reassess this, you will remain lost in the wilderness.You have the rest of your natural life to find the way. Who knows how long that will be.
T8, you take yourself to seriously.Colter
I take scripture and my search for truth seriously.
I can laugh at myself though.
Well the one day you might laugh at yourself for presuming to stand in judgment of me, all while cowering behind the so called “scripture”.Did I mention that the Israelites used the infallibility of the scripture to reject Jesus, they still do.
Btw, I took the time to answer your questions about the Trinity but no response, just more self righteousness.
Colter
The Urantia Book
Paper 88Fetishes, Charms, and Magic
(969.5) 88:2.7 “In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round.”
Colter
Colter.
Is Jesus also preaching scare tactics here?
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2013,00:38) Colter. Is Jesus also preaching scare tactics here?
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?wakeup.
Actually Wakeup, he was preaching at people like you, people who hide behind the false teachings of the perfection of scripture in order to withstand the coming of the very person that the older spiritual truths contained therein, spoke of.The scribes and Pharisees at Jerusalem knew the truth about the scriptures but they were moral cowards. They emphasized areas of scripture to withstand Jesus but ignored other areas that could have enlightened them to the spiritual truth, of the spiritual teaching, of the spiritual kingdom.
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 28 2013,21:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 28 2013,16:04) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2013,21:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:46) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,04:49) Jesus is a Son of the Eternal Son.
So then Jesus ISN'T “the Eternal Son”?And isn't it “the Eternal Son” who “is” the Father?
Or are all the “paradise creator sons” also “the Eternal Father”?
Are you saying that the GRANDSON of the Father also IS the Father?
Mike, in truth you are just being argumentative now, you are insincere. I've provided the explanations repeatedly but you insist upon thinking like a child. The Universal Father in the infinite I AM we cant know him as a personality reality, but because of his lovable nature and his plan for creation, he has chosen to down step and reveal himself to us in the persons of his representative Sons.Quibble with God about it.
Colter
I just have to say, his questions are legitimate because if Michael is Jesus and both are personifications of God as eternal son then all the eternal sons are the eternal Father which is why you said there was only one God, correct?So now why is it needed to distinguish between Michael and Jesus if they are the same being? Also is it the case that Michael left heaven to be Jesus on earth if so wouldn't the risen Jesus go back to being called Michael since that's his name?
Boditharta.The urantia, and the qur'an and others;are not spiritual books of substance;just great words about God.
Thats the reason why they need to quote bible scriptures
to explain the doctrine; and get into a mess.On its own;those books are just reading books,with a wonerful story of God, and heaven and angels.
They dont have the puzzles where we can seek
scripture by scripture, and form the great picture.The holy bible contains of many scriptures,we must put together to see the big picture of Gods plan on earth.
From beginning to end.God knows the heart of men;and he has created a book
that can not be corrupted by men.
We need to read it line upon line;precept upon precept,
here a little, and there a little, to put the puzzles together.
It took me 40yrs to understand that one book.It will only take me two days to read a story book.
Not 40 years.
Study the qur'an from beginning to end by it self;and see what great picture you get; and try to explain it; without quoting the bible.All it will tell you is that allah is great,
he created everything,and we must submit to him alone.
and mohamad is his prophet,and worship no other god but allah.
The urantia is also just a book with a story about God and angels,and the universe.
With no substance;there is no big picture that you can see at the end.wakeup.
I quote bible scriptures because of you not because I need to so I use the Quran and The Bible to cross referenceQuote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 29 2013,01:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 28 2013,21:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 28 2013,16:04) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 27 2013,21:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:46) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 26 2013,04:49) Jesus is a Son of the Eternal Son.
So then Jesus ISN'T “the Eternal Son”?And isn't it “the Eternal Son” who “is” the Father?
Or are all the “paradise creator sons” also “the Eternal Father”?
Are you saying that the GRANDSON of the Father also IS the Father?
Mike, in truth you are just being argumentative now, you are insincere. I've provided the explanations repeatedly but you insist upon thinking like a child. The Universal Father in the infinite I AM we cant know him as a personality reality, but because of his lovable nature and his plan for creation, he has chosen to down step and reveal himself to us in the persons of his representative Sons.Quibble with God about it.
Colter
I just have to say, his questions are legitimate because if Michael is Jesus and both are personifications of God as eternal son then all the eternal sons are the eternal Father which is why you said there was only one God, correct?So now why is it needed to distinguish between Michael and Jesus if they are the same being? Also is it the case that Michael left heaven to be Jesus on earth if so wouldn't the risen Jesus go back to being called Michael since that's his name?
Boditharta.The urantia, and the qur'an and others;are not spiritual books of substance;just great words about God.
Thats the reason why they need to quote bible scriptures
to explain the doctrine; and get into a mess.On its own;those books are just reading books,with a wonerful story of God, and heaven and angels.
They dont have the puzzles where we can seek
scripture by scripture, and form the great picture.The holy bible contains of many scriptures,we must put together to see the big picture of Gods plan on earth.
From beginning to end.God knows the heart of men;and he has created a book
that can not be corrupted by men.
We need to read it line upon line;precept upon precept,
here a little, and there a little, to put the puzzles together.
It took me 40yrs to understand that one book.It will only take me two days to read a story book.
Not 40 years.
Study the qur'an from beginning to end by it self;and see what great picture you get; and try to explain it; without quoting the bible.All it will tell you is that allah is great,
he created everything,and we must submit to him alone.
and mohamad is his prophet,and worship no other god but allah.
The urantia is also just a book with a story about God and angels,and the universe.
With no substance;there is no big picture that you can see at the end.wakeup.
I quote bible scriptures because of you not because I need to so I use the Quran and The Bible to cross reference
Boditharta.Can you explain the big picture to us according the qur'an
from beginning to end using your own words.
From the creation of lucifer to the kingdom of God
and after.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2013,02:10) Boditharta. Can you explain the big picture to us according the qur'an
from beginning to end using your own words.
From the creation of lucifer to the kingdom of God
and after.wakeup.
The big picture is that God(Who is the ONLY SINGLE CREATOR) put us on this earth to be a vicegerants/an officer appointed as deputy by and to a sovereign or supreme chief which is done by exercising delegated powersOne can only do this through Worship because it is th object of Focus that you will be obedient to.
When God created Mankind he wanted the angels to Bow to Adam but One of them did not bow because he thought man was not worthy this is how this being became a Satan(Rebellious one) He was not one of the Angels he was of another creation of beings called Jinn, So Satan was consigned to be punished, he asked for time before his punishment to lead as many astray as he could
Mankind must learn to be grateful and obedient to God and by the Grace of God this person will be accepted into paradise.
God is Most Merciful and Most Gracious so a believer is forgiven because of his repentance and faith.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 29 2013,01:01) Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Jesus is not Michael.God through his son gave us all victory and just as the angels defeat the fallen angels, so it is that man will defeat these angels too.
We have the victory in Christ Jesus/Yeshua. Not in Christ Michael.
Angels serve Christ.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 29 2013,11:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2013,02:10) Boditharta. Can you explain the big picture to us according the qur'an
from beginning to end using your own words.
From the creation of lucifer to the kingdom of God
and after.wakeup.
The big picture is that God(Who is the ONLY SINGLE CREATOR) put us on this earth to be a vicegerants/an officer appointed as deputy by and to a sovereign or supreme chief which is done by exercising delegated powersOne can only do this through Worship because it is th object of Focus that you will be obedient to.
When God created Mankind he wanted the angels to Bow to Adam but One of them did not bow because he thought man was not worthy this is how this being became a Satan(Rebellious one) He was not one of the Angels he was of another creation of beings called Jinn, So Satan was consigned to be punished, he asked for time before his punishment to lead as many astray as he could
Mankind must learn to be grateful and obedient to God and by the Grace of God this person will be accepted into paradise.
God is Most Merciful and Most Gracious so a believer is forgiven because of his repentance and faith.
Thank you Boditharta.I expected much more.
Like how will the outcome of man on earth be.
And also about the kingdom of God on earth.
Are you sure that you have not left anything out?wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 29 2013,12:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 29 2013,01:01) Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Jesus is not Michael.God through his son gave us all victory and just as the angels defeat the fallen angels, so it is that man will defeat these angels too.
We have the victory in Christ Jesus/Yeshua. Not in Christ Michael.
Angels serve Christ.
What was the Sons name before he came down from heaven?C
His name was Jesus. Why would we think it was something else?
God has sent Gabriel to earth. Did his name change when this happened?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2013,05:35) His name was Jesus. Why would we think it was something else? God has sent Gabriel to earth. Did his name change when this happened?
The scripture doesn't say that, according to you if it's not in the scripture you can't talk about it, remember?Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2013,05:35) His name was Jesus. Why would we think it was something else? God has sent Gabriel to earth. Did his name change when this happened?
Hi MikeB.The name Jesus was given, when he was born in the flesh.
The mans name was Jesus.
Before he was made flesh,he is the word of God.
All Gods work was done by Gods word.
The word was *in God* and the word was God.
Now he is a resurrected *person*,and is spirit,sitting next to his Father.God was speaking through this *person* while he was on earth. He is the word of God in the flesh.
He will remain a resurrected person in heaven.
He will come again as the resurrected person,with a new name.In rev.22. He still identify himself as, of the *root of David*. He is our holy brother being resurrected first,and we will follow.wakeup.
The eternal Paradise Creator Son “Michael” sent another revelation which inaugurated a new dispensation of grace and truth. We now have a vast amount of enformation, historic, scientific and spiritual concerning our world, where we came from, where we are going and who God is.
The Urantia revelation constitutes the first composite revelation from a number of celestial beings.
The short time Michael was on earth he used the name his married parents gave him based on Mary's conversation with Gabriel, Jashua Ben Joseph.
After returning to heaven as sovegne Lord and God he is now Christ Michael.
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2013,12:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 29 2013,11:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2013,02:10) Boditharta. Can you explain the big picture to us according the qur'an
from beginning to end using your own words.
From the creation of lucifer to the kingdom of God
and after.wakeup.
The big picture is that God(Who is the ONLY SINGLE CREATOR) put us on this earth to be a vicegerants/an officer appointed as deputy by and to a sovereign or supreme chief which is done by exercising delegated powersOne can only do this through Worship because it is th object of Focus that you will be obedient to.
When God created Mankind he wanted the angels to Bow to Adam but One of them did not bow because he thought man was not worthy this is how this being became a Satan(Rebellious one) He was not one of the Angels he was of another creation of beings called Jinn, So Satan was consigned to be punished, he asked for time before his punishment to lead as many astray as he could
Mankind must learn to be grateful and obedient to God and by the Grace of God this person will be accepted into paradise.
God is Most Merciful and Most Gracious so a believer is forgiven because of his repentance and faith.
Thank you Boditharta.I expected much more.
Like how will the outcome of man on earth be.
And also about the kingdom of God on earth.
Are you sure that you have not left anything out?wakeup.
I haven't really left much out, when th hour comes Jesus will return with the Holy Angels and each will be judged accordingly.There will be explanations of where or why peoples have differed and what they did with that information but basically
If someone loved God sincerely and worshiped no other gods besides Him, conducted himself with the best an most profitable intent for himself and others and when failing to do so repented sincerely and always strove to be as God conscious as possible, on them there shall be nothing to fear whether they b Jews, Christians, Muslims or others known or unknown but focused nonetheless on God.
True sincerity to God is an outright rejection of Satan so no True sincere believer will be loss.
Now I will add also that I believe that once your heart and soul is commited to God and you are striving ever greater and greater to be more and more God conscious. The future need not concern that person, so how the world will end, who is the beast…etc. has no bearing or meaning because my heart rests in eternity with My God.
John 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.GOD Bless!
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