Urantia Trinity

[mikeboll64]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,19:24)

Not ONLY THE MOST HIGH but THE ONLY TRUE GOD as JESUS said Himself and GOD ALMIGHTY declared Himself.

Tell me how Jehovah can be the MOST HIGH god if there don't exist LESS HIGH gods for Him to be HIGHER THAN.

Tell me how He is the ALMIGHTY god (or what that title even MEANS) if there exist no LESS MIGHTY gods.

Tell me how He is the god OF gods if there exist no other gods for Him to be the god OF.

I'm listening, Asana. Explain these things to me.

[Spock]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,13:02)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,19:16) He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? So you are really arguing for a “Urantia ONENESS doctrine” then, and NOT for a “Urantia TRINITY doctrine”, right? The trinity doctrine says Jesus is ONE of the PERSONS in the Godhead.  And Trinitarians don't use John 14:9 as a “proof text”, because they don't claim that Jesus actually IS the Father. So tell me where your “trinity” comes into play if you believe the Son actually IS the Father.

There goes the deniers “two step”

I have provided tons of quotes from the Urantia papers that give an in depth philosophical, sequential description of the Trinity and the Creator Sons as personifying the Father. All of theses beings are unified in divinity in such a way that is indistinguishable by our current status as finite creatures of the realm. We are in spiritual kindergarten.

The revelation of the identity of Jesus was a Progressive work in the spiritual life ofthe apostles. Notice that Jesus said “and from now on you know him and have seen him.” this was a frank and new disclosure to the apostles. The final definitive statement was the ascension into glory as unquestioned soveregne Lord and God. But still, he has an eternal Father who is derived in philosophy from the I AM.

Colter

[Spock]

Bodhitharta, I think of them all as God, only for purposes of discussing the structure of divine reality do I distinguish.

Colter

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,13:09)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,19:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,10:43) And?  I don't claim that Jesus is the Father, who alone is the MOST HIGH god. But Jesus, Satan, angels, and demons are all called gods in scripture.  I choose to BELIEVE those scriptures as they were written.  It's up to you whether or not you believe them. Not ONLY THE MOST HIGH but THE ONLY TRUE GOD as JESUS said Himself and GOD ALMIGHTY declared Himself. God said: Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. I testify as a witness that there is no god but God, can you say the same? Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior. Nehemiah 9:27 ……..thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. Asana, will you also testify that Jehovah is LITERALLY the ONLY savior who ever existed? And to answer your question, “NO”.  I will not testify AGAINST the MANY scriptures that teach of many other gods.   What do you make of 2 Cor 4:4?

Then it is clear you don't accept Isaiah 44:8

That is fine because at least I can understand that you are not a Monotheist so why attack colter his belief isvery similar to yours.

He believes in gods and you believe in gods, just because he uses the word trinity makes him no less polytheistic than you if you believe in “gods” as well.

So you don't believe God Himself when HE says there areno other gods andyou won't believe Jesus when he says there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.

Why is Colter then wrong in your eyes?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,13:31)

Bodhitharta, I think of them all as God, only for purposes of discussing the structure of divine reality do I distinguish. Colter

Why?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,13:13)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,19:24) Not ONLY THE MOST HIGH but THE ONLY TRUE GOD as JESUS said Himself and GOD ALMIGHTY declared Himself. Tell me how Jehovah can be the MOST HIGH god if there don't exist LESS HIGH gods for Him to be HIGHER THAN. Tell me how He is the ALMIGHTY god (or what that title even MEANS) if there exist no LESS MIGHTY gods. Tell me how He is the god OF gods if there exist no other gods for Him to be the god OF. I'm listening, Asana.  Explain these things to me.

Notice Jesus said THE ONLY TRUE GOD:

and pay careful attention:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though ]B]there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 but to us there is but one God,[/B] the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Did you see that “there is none other God but one” Whatever you were thinking you should correct it seeing that it is clear.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,20:55)

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Asana,

I'm going to assume from the fact that you ignored my “savior” point and 2 Cor 4:4 that you don't really have an answer for those points.

I'm also going to assume that the “polytheist” accusations came from a place of ignorance, not hate.

There is MUCH I can show you (and will), but let's start with the passage you just quoted.

Paul said that there are many lords, but for us there is but one lord, Jesus Christ.

One part of that statement is LITERAL, and one part is an EXAGGERATED, or EMPHATIC statement. Let's find out which is which:

Are there truly many lords, both in heaven and on earth? YES.

Is Jesus truly and literally the ONLY lord Christians have? NO.

So the LITERAL part of the statement is the “many lords” part, right?

And the EXAGGERATED part of the statement is the “one lord Jesus Christ” part, right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,20:24)

Notice that Jesus said “and from now on you know him and have seen him.” this was a frank and new disclosure to the apostles.

Funny how all those disciples went on to write hundreds of scriptures that clearly distinguish our savior Jesus Christ FROM his God and Father who sent him.

Colter, do you believe Jesus IS the Father God? YES or NO?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:22)

Asana, I'm going to assume from the fact that you ignored my “savior” point and 2 Cor 4:4 that you don't really have an answer for those points. I'm also going to assume that the “polytheist” accusations came from a place of ignorance, not hate. There is MUCH I can show you (and will), but let's start with the passage you just quoted. Paul said that there are many lords, but for us there is but one lord, Jesus Christ. One part of that statement is LITERAL, and one part is an EXAGGERATED, or EMPHATIC statement.  Let's find out which is which: Are there truly many lords, both in heaven and on earth?  YES. Is Jesus truly and literally the ONLY lord Christians have?  NO. So the LITERAL part of the statement is the “many lords” part, right? And the EXAGGERATED part of the statement is the “one lord Jesus Christ” part, right?

Agreed!

I didn't ignore your Saviour part the fact is The Only TRUE SAVIOUR is the one “who sends” If God doesn't send the Saviour there is no saving.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:22)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,20:55) 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Asana, I'm going to assume from the fact that you ignored my “savior” point and 2 Cor 4:4 that you don't really have an answer for those points. I'm also going to assume that the “polytheist” accusations came from a place of ignorance, not hate. There is MUCH I can show you (and will), but let's start with the passage you just quoted. Paul said that there are many lords, but for us there is but one lord, Jesus Christ. One part of that statement is LITERAL, and one part is an EXAGGERATED, or EMPHATIC statement.  Let's find out which is which: Are there truly many lords, both in heaven and on earth?  YES. Is Jesus truly and literally the ONLY lord Christians have?  NO. So the LITERAL part of the statement is the “many lords” part, right? And the EXAGGERATED part of the statement is the “one lord Jesus Christ” part, right?

Polytheism (from the Greek: polus, many, and theos, god) refers to belief in, or worship of, multiple gods or deities.

Do you believe in multiple gods? Yes or No? If you are you are a Polytheist

Definition of MONOTHEISM: the doctrine or belief that there is but one God

This is what I believe, so which are you by definition? And I ask not only you but all of you?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,15:16)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,20:55) 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Asana, I'm going to assume from the fact that you ignored my “savior” point and 2 Cor 4:4 that you don't really have an answer for those points. I'm also going to assume that the “polytheist” accusations came from a place of ignorance, not hate. There is MUCH I can show you (and will), but let's start with the passage you just quoted. Paul said that there are many lords, but for us there is but one lord, Jesus Christ. One part of that statement is LITERAL, and one part is an EXAGGERATED, or EMPHATIC statement.  Let's find out which is which: Are there truly many lords, both in heaven and on earth?  YES. Is Jesus truly and literally the ONLY lord Christians have?  NO. So the LITERAL part of the statement is the “many lords” part, right? And the EXAGGERATED part of the statement is the “one lord Jesus Christ” part, right? Polytheism (from the Greek: polus, many, and theos, god) refers to belief in, or worship of, multiple gods or deities. Do you believe in multiple gods? Yes or No? If you are you are a Polytheist Definition of MONOTHEISM: the doctrine or belief that there is but one God This is what I believe, so which are you by definition? And I ask not only you but all of you?

Boditharta.

**God is speaking to humans**.(men).
They have created many,many gods,and many,many Lords.
The truth is that there is only one true God, and one true Lord. The other gods are all false gods, that are not gods at all, they are created by men.

There is only one God and one Lord Jesus Christ whom God sent. And he also is *IN* the father.

wakeup.

[Spock]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:25)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,20:24) Notice that Jesus said “and from now on you know him and have seen him.” this was a frank and new disclosure to the apostles. Funny how all those disciples went on to write hundreds of scriptures that clearly distinguish our savior Jesus Christ FROM his God and Father who sent him.   Colter, do you believe Jesus IS the Father God?  YES or NO?

Yes

(367.1) 33:1.4 The Creator Son is the vicegerent personalization of the Universal Father, the divinity co-ordinate of the Eternal Son, and the creative associate of the Infinite Spirit. To our universe and all its inhabited worlds the Sovereign Son is, to all practical intents and purposes, God. He personifies all of the Paradise Deities which evolving mortals can discerningly comprehend. This Son and his Spirit associate are your creator parents. To you, Michael, the Creator Son, is the supreme personality; to you, the Eternal Son is supersupreme — an infinite Deity personality.

(367.2) 33:1.5 In the person of the Creator Son we have a ruler and divine parent who is just as mighty, efficient, and beneficent as would be the Universal Father and the Eternal Son if both were present on Salvingtonand engaged in the administration of the affairs of the universe……

At the same time the disciples were right to refer to the Father as distinct from the Son in an absolute sense. They had faith in the Son, they did not make the mistake of denying something about the divine because of the inherent limitations of the finite mind.

Colter

[Spock]

God
Forward to the Urantia Book

(3.14) 0:2.1 Evolving mortal creatures experience an irresistible urge to symbolize their finite concepts of God. Man’s consciousness of moral duty and his spiritual idealism represent a value level — an experiential reality — which is difficult of symbolization.

(3.15) 0:2.2 Cosmic consciousness implies the recognition of a First Cause, the one and only uncaused reality. God, the Universal Father, functions on three Deity-personality levels of subinfinite value and relative divinity expression:

(3.16) 0:2.3 1. Prepersonal — as in the ministry of the Father fragments, such as the Thought Adjusters.

(3.17) 0:2.4 2. Personal — as in the evolutionary experience of created and procreated beings.

(3.18) 0:2.5 3. Superpersonal — as in the eventuated existences of certain absonite and associated beings.

(3.19) 0:2.6 GOD is a word symbol designating all personalizations of Deity. The term requires a different definition on each personal level of Deity function and must be still further redefined within each of these levels, as this term may be used to designate the diverse co-ordinate and subordinate personalizations of Deity; for example: the Paradise Creator Sons — the local universe fathers.

(4.1) 0:2.7 The term God, as we make use of it, may be understood:

(4.2) 0:2.8 By designation — as God the Father.

(4.3) 0:2.9 By context — as when used in the discussion of some one deity level or association. When in doubt as to the exact interpretation of the word God, it would be advisable to refer it to the person of the Universal Father.

(4.4) 0:2.10 The term God always denotes personality. Deity may, or may not, refer to divinity personalities.

(4.5) 0:2.11 The word GOD is used, in these papers, with the following meanings:

(4.6) 0:2.12 1. God the Father — Creator, Controller, and Upholder. The Universal Father, the First Person of Deity.

(4.7) 0:2.13 2. God the Son — Co-ordinate Creator, Spirit Controller, and Spiritual Administrator. The Eternal Son, the Second Person of Deity.

(4.8) 0:2.14 3. God the Spirit — Conjoint Actor, Universal Integrator, and Mind Bestower. The Infinite Spirit, the Third Person of Deity.

(4.9) 0:2.15 4. God the Supreme — the actualizing or evolving God of time and space. Personal Deity associatively realizing the time-space experiential achievement of creature-Creator identity. The Supreme Being is personally experiencing the achievement of Deity unity as the evolving and experiential God of the evolutionary creatures of time and space.

(4.10) 0:2.16 5. God the Sevenfold — Deity personality anywhere actually functioning in time and space. The personal Paradise Deities and their creative associates functioning in and beyond the borders of the central universe and power-personalizing as the Supreme Being on the first creature level of unifying Deity revelation in time and space. This level, the grand universe, is the sphere of the time-space descension of Paradise personalities in reciprocal association with the time-space ascension of evolutionary creatures.

(4.11) 0:2.17 6. God the Ultimate — the eventuating God of supertime and transcended space. The second experiential level of unifying Deity manifestation. God the Ultimate implies the attained realization of the synthesized absonite-superpersonal, time-space-transcended, and eventuated-experiential values, co-ordinated on final creative levels of Deity reality.

(4.12) 0:2.18 7. God the Absolute — the experientializing God of transcended superpersonal values and divinity meanings, now existential as the Deity Absolute. This is the third level of unifying Deity expression and expansion. On this supercreative level, Deity experiences exhaustion of personalizable potential, encounters completion of divinity, and undergoes depletion of capacity for self-revelation to successive and progressive levels of other-personalization. Deity now encounters, impinges upon, and experiences identity with, the Unqualified Absolute.

Colter

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,15:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,20:55) 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Asana, I'm going to assume from the fact that you ignored my “savior” point and 2 Cor 4:4 that you don't really have an answer for those points. I'm also going to assume that the “polytheist” accusations came from a place of ignorance, not hate. There is MUCH I can show you (and will), but let's start with the passage you just quoted. Paul said that there are many lords, but for us there is but one lord, Jesus Christ. One part of that statement is LITERAL, and one part is an EXAGGERATED, or EMPHATIC statement.  Let's find out which is which: Are there truly many lords, both in heaven and on earth?  YES. Is Jesus truly and literally the ONLY lord Christians have?  NO. So the LITERAL part of the statement is the “many lords” part, right? And the EXAGGERATED part of the statement is the “one lord Jesus Christ” part, right? Polytheism (from the Greek: polus, many, and theos, god) refers to belief in, or worship of, multiple gods or deities. Do you believe in multiple gods? Yes or No? If you are you are a Polytheist Definition of MONOTHEISM: the doctrine or belief that there is but one God This is what I believe, so which are you by definition? And I ask not only you but all of you? Boditharta. **God is speaking to humans**.(men). They have created many,many gods,and many,many Lords. The truth is that there is only one true God, and one true Lord. The other gods are all false gods, that are not gods at all, they are created by men. There is only one God and one Lord Jesus Christ whom God sent. And he also is *IN* the father. wakeup.

We generally agree then but even more so even GOD Almighty is also Lord Jesus demonstrated this fact when he said:

John 15:15
I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

The only Being who's business will never be completely know is God and therefore HE is also the ONLY TRUE LORD hence it is written:”The Lord your God is one Lord”?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,22:46)

God Forward to the Urantia Book (3.14) 0:2.1 Evolving mortal creatures experience an irresistible urge to symbolize their finite concepts of God. Man’s consciousness of moral duty and his spiritual idealism represent a value level — an experiential reality — which is difficult of symbolization. (3.15) 0:2.2 Cosmic consciousness implies the recognition of a First Cause, the one and only uncaused reality. God, the Universal Father, functions on three Deity-personality levels of subinfinite value and relative divinity expression: (3.16) 0:2.3 1. Prepersonal — as in the ministry of the Father fragments, such as the Thought Adjusters. (3.17) 0:2.4 2. Personal — as in the evolutionary experience of created and procreated beings. (3.18) 0:2.5 3. Superpersonal — as in the eventuated existences of certain absonite and associated beings. (3.19) 0:2.6 GOD is a word symbol designating all personalizations of Deity. The term requires a different definition on each personal level of Deity function and must be still further redefined within each of these levels, as this term may be used to designate the diverse co-ordinate and subordinate personalizations of Deity; for example: the Paradise Creator Sons — the local universe fathers. (4.1) 0:2.7 The term God, as we make use of it, may be understood: (4.2) 0:2.8 By designation — as God the Father. (4.3) 0:2.9 By context — as when used in the discussion of some one deity level or association. When in doubt as to the exact interpretation of the word God, it would be advisable to refer it to the person of the Universal Father. (4.4) 0:2.10 The term God always denotes personality. Deity may, or may not, refer to divinity personalities. (4.5) 0:2.11 The word GOD is used, in these papers, with the following meanings: (4.6) 0:2.12 1. God the Father — Creator, Controller, and Upholder. The Universal Father, the First Person of Deity. (4.7) 0:2.13 2. God the Son — Co-ordinate Creator, Spirit Controller, and Spiritual Administrator. The Eternal Son, the Second Person of Deity. (4.8) 0:2.14 3. God the Spirit — Conjoint Actor, Universal Integrator, and Mind Bestower. The Infinite Spirit, the Third Person of Deity. (4.9) 0:2.15 4. God the Supreme — the actualizing or evolving God of time and space. Personal Deity associatively realizing the time-space experiential achievement of creature-Creator identity. The Supreme Being is personally experiencing the achievement of Deity unity as the evolving and experiential God of the evolutionary creatures of time and space. (4.10) 0:2.16 5. God the Sevenfold — Deity personality anywhere actually functioning in time and space. The personal Paradise Deities and their creative associates functioning in and beyond the borders of the central universe and power-personalizing as the Supreme Being on the first creature level of unifying Deity revelation in time and space. This level, the grand universe, is the sphere of the time-space descension of Paradise personalities in reciprocal association with the time-space ascension of evolutionary creatures. (4.11) 0:2.17 6. God the Ultimate — the eventuating God of supertime and transcended space. The second experiential level of unifying Deity manifestation. God the Ultimate implies the attained realization of the synthesized absonite-superpersonal, time-space-transcended, and eventuated-experiential values, co-ordinated on final creative levels of Deity reality. (4.12) 0:2.18 7. God the Absolute — the experientializing God of transcended superpersonal values and divinity meanings, now existential as the Deity Absolute. This is the third level of unifying Deity expression and expansion. On this supercreative level, Deity experiences exhaustion of personalizable potential, encounters completion of divinity, and undergoes depletion of capacity for self-revelation to successive and progressive levels of other-personalization. Deity now encounters, impinges upon, and experiences identity with, the Unqualified Absolute. Colter

There are no deities:

Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255)

Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Trying to incorporate and join other entities as gods along side God is still polytheism. I have already asked and no one will answer.

Are you a polytheist by definition i.e. do you believe in “gods”?

[Spock]

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There are no deities: Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous. (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255) Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Trying to incorporate and join other entities as gods along side God is still polytheism. I have already asked and no one will answer. Are you a polytheist by definition i.e. do you believe in “gods”?

No, I’m not a polytheist, I’m a monotheist.

Jesus proved you wrong; there are deities, children of the Universal Father.

As a Muslim you have been misguided by the limitations of the Mohamed’s personal, human opinion contained within the Koran.

(1144.6) 104:1.9 The followers of the Islamic faith likewise failed to grasp the idea of the Trinity. It is always difficult for an emerging monotheism to tolerate trinitarianism when confronted by polytheism. The trinity idea takes best hold of those religions which have a firm monotheistic tradition coupled with doctrinal elasticity. The great monotheists, the Hebrews and Mohammedans, found it difficult to distinguish between worshiping three gods, polytheism, and trinitarianism, the worship of one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality.

I believe in and worship One God existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality.

Colter

[Spock]

The Infinity of God

(33.4) 2:1.1 “Touching the Infinite, we cannot find him out. The divine footsteps are not known.” “His understanding is infinite and his greatness is unsearchable.” The blinding light of the Father’s presence is such that to his lowly creatures he apparently “dwells in the thick darkness.” Not only are his thoughts and plans unsearchable, but “he does great and marvelous things without number.” “God is great; we comprehend him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.” “Will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, the heaven (universe) and the heaven of heavens (universe of universes) cannot contain him.” “How unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out!”

(34.1) 2:1.2 “There is but one God, the infinite Father, who is also a faithful Creator.” “The divine Creator is also the Universal Disposer, the source and destiny of souls. He is the Supreme Soul, the Primal Mind, and the Unlimited Spirit of all creation.” “The great Controller makes no mistakes. He is resplendent in majesty and glory.” “The Creator God is wholly devoid of fear and enmity. He is immortal, eternal, self-existent, divine, and bountiful.” “How pure and beautiful, how deep and unfathomable is the supernal Ancestor of all things!” “The Infinite is most excellent in that he imparts himself to men. He is the beginning and the end, the Father of every good and perfect purpose.” “With God all things are possible; the eternal Creator is the cause of causes.”

(34.2) 2:1.3 Notwithstanding the infinity of the stupendous manifestations of the Father’s eternal and universal personality, he is unqualifiedly self-conscious of both his infinity and eternity; likewise he knows fully his perfection and power. He is the only being in the universe, aside from his divine co-ordinates, who experiences a perfect, proper, and complete appraisal of himself.

(34.3) 2:1.4 The Father constantly and unfailingly meets the need of the differential of demand for himself as it changes from time to time in various sections of his master universe. The great God knows and understands himself; he is infinitely self-conscious of all his primal attributes of perfection. God is not a cosmic accident; neither is he a universe experimenter. The Universe Sovereigns may engage in adventure; the Constellation Fathers may experiment; the system heads may practice; but the Universal Father sees the end from the beginning, and his divine plan and eternal purpose actually embrace and comprehend all the experiments and all the adventures of all his subordinates in every world, system, and constellation in every universe of his vast domains.

(34.4) 2:1.5 No thing is new to God, and no cosmic event ever comes as a surprise; he inhabits the circle of eternity. He is without beginning or end of days. To God there is no past, present, or future; all time is present at any given moment. He is the great and only I AM.

(34.5) 2:1.6 The Universal Father is absolutely and without qualification infinite in all his attributes; and this fact, in and of itself, automatically shuts him off from all direct personal communication with finite material beings and other lowly created intelligences.

(34.6) 2:1.7 And all this necessitates such arrangements for contact and communication with his manifold creatures as have been ordained, first, in the personalities of the Paradise Sons of God, who, although perfect in divinity, also often partake of the nature of the very flesh and blood of the planetary races, becoming one of you and one with you; thus, as it were, God becomes man, as occurred in the bestowal of Michael, who was called interchangeably the Son of God and the Son of Man. And second, there are the personalities of the Infinite Spirit, the various orders of the seraphic hosts and other celestial intelligences who draw near to the material beings of lowly origin and in so many ways minister to them and serve them. And third, there are the impersonal Mystery Monitors, Thought Adjusters, the actual gift of the great God himself sent to indwell such as the humans of Urantia, sent without announcement and without explanation. In endless profusion they descend from the heights of glory to grace and indwell the humble minds of those mortals who possess the capacity for God-consciousness or the potential therefor.

(35.1) 2:1.8 In these ways and in many others, in ways unknown to you and utterly beyond finite comprehension, does the Paradise Father lovingly and willingly downstep and otherwise modify, dilute, and attenuate his infinity in order that he may be able to draw nearer the finite minds of his creature children. And so, through a series of personality distributions which are diminishingly absolute, the infinite Father is enabled to enjoy close contact with the diverse intelligences of the many realms of his far-flung universe.

(35.2) 2:1.9 All this he has done and now does, and evermore will continue to do, without in the least detracting from the fact and reality of his infinity, eternity, and primacy. And these things are absolutely true, notwithstanding the difficulty of their comprehension, the mystery in which they are enshrouded, or the impossibility of their being fully understood by creatures such as dwell on Urantia.

(35.3) 2:1.10 Because the First Father is infinite in his plans and eternal in his purposes, it is inherently impossible for any finite being ever to grasp or comprehend these divine plans and purposes in their fullness. Mortal man can glimpse the Father’s purposes only now and then, here and there, as they are revealed in relation to the outworking of the plan of creature ascension on its successive levels of universe progression. Though man cannot encompass the significance of infinity, the infinite Father does most certainly fully comprehend and lovingly embrace all the finity of all his children in all universes.

(35.4) 2:1.11 Divinity and eternity the Father shares with large numbers of the higher Paradise beings, but we question whether infinity and consequent universal primacy is fully shared with any save his co-ordinate associates of the Paradise Trinity. Infinity of personality must, perforce, embrace all finitude of personality; hence the truth — literal truth — of the teaching which declares that “In Him we live and move and have our being.” That fragment of the pure Deity of the Universal Father which indwells mortal man is a part of the infinity of the First Great Source and Center, the Father of Fathers.” UB 1955

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,03:09)

Quote There are no deities: Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous. (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255) Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Trying to incorporate and join other entities as gods along side God is still polytheism. I have already asked and no one will answer. Are you a polytheist by definition i.e. do you believe in “gods”? No, I’m not a polytheist, I’m a monotheist. Jesus proved you wrong; there are deities, children of the Universal Father. As a Muslim you have been misguided by the limitations of the Mohamed’s personal, human opinion contained within the Koran. (1144.6) 104:1.9 The followers of the Islamic faith likewise failed to grasp the idea of the Trinity. It is always difficult for an emerging monotheism to tolerate trinitarianism when confronted by polytheism. The trinity idea takes best hold of those religions which have a firm monotheistic tradition coupled with doctrinal elasticity. The great monotheists, the Hebrews and Mohammedans, found it difficult to distinguish between worshiping three gods, polytheism, and trinitarianism, the worship of one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality. I believe in and worship One God existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality. Colter

I asked you do you believe in “gods”? Do you believe that what you call “children of the universal Father” are individual beings that are deities/gods?

You said Jesus proved me wrong, how so? Do you believe he is a god other than th God you say you worship?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 21 2013,02:12)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 20 2013,18:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,15:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,20:55) 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Asana, I'm going to assume from the fact that you ignored my “savior” point and 2 Cor 4:4 that you don't really have an answer for those points. I'm also going to assume that the “polytheist” accusations came from a place of ignorance, not hate. There is MUCH I can show you (and will), but let's start with the passage you just quoted. Paul said that there are many lords, but for us there is but one lord, Jesus Christ. One part of that statement is LITERAL, and one part is an EXAGGERATED, or EMPHATIC statement.  Let's find out which is which: Are there truly many lords, both in heaven and on earth?  YES. Is Jesus truly and literally the ONLY lord Christians have?  NO. So the LITERAL part of the statement is the “many lords” part, right? And the EXAGGERATED part of the statement is the “one lord Jesus Christ” part, right? Polytheism (from the Greek: polus, many, and theos, god) refers to belief in, or worship of, multiple gods or deities. Do you believe in multiple gods? Yes or No? If you are you are a Polytheist Definition of MONOTHEISM: the doctrine or belief that there is but one God This is what I believe, so which are you by definition? And I ask not only you but all of you? Boditharta. **God is speaking to humans**.(men). They have created many,many gods,and many,many Lords. The truth is that there is only one true God, and one true Lord. The other gods are all false gods, that are not gods at all, they are created by men. There is only one God and one Lord Jesus Christ whom God sent. And he also is *IN* the father. wakeup. We generally agree then but even more so even GOD Almighty is also Lord Jesus demonstrated this fact when he said: John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. The only Being who's business will never be completely know is God and therefore HE is also the ONLY TRUE LORD hence it is written:”The Lord your God is one Lord”?

Boditharta.

Yes we do,but you still must give evidence
that Allah is Jehovah.
Because of the different message.

wakeup.

[Spock]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 21 2013,06:06)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,03:09) Quote There are no deities: Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous. (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255) Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Trying to incorporate and join other entities as gods along side God is still polytheism. I have already asked and no one will answer. Are you a polytheist by definition i.e. do you believe in “gods”? No, I’m not a polytheist, I’m a monotheist. Jesus proved you wrong; there are deities, children of the Universal Father. As a Muslim you have been misguided by the limitations of the Mohamed’s personal, human opinion contained within the Koran. (1144.6) 104:1.9 The followers of the Islamic faith likewise failed to grasp the idea of the Trinity. It is always difficult for an emerging monotheism to tolerate trinitarianism when confronted by polytheism. The trinity idea takes best hold of those religions which have a firm monotheistic tradition coupled with doctrinal elasticity. The great monotheists, the Hebrews and Mohammedans, found it difficult to distinguish between worshiping three gods, polytheism, and trinitarianism, the worship of one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality. I believe in and worship One God existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality. Colter I asked you do you believe in “gods”? Do you believe that what you call “children of the universal Father” are individual beings that are deities/gods? You said Jesus proved me wrong, how so? Do you believe he is a god other than th God you say you worship?

bodhitharta, Are you just being argumentative, repeating the same question over and over like a prosecutor without any sincere interest?

I have provided very specific answers with explanations to your questions, to everyone’s questions. Yes, they are God(s) in that they are plural deity manifestations of the Universal Father, aligned in will with the Universal Father. They do not have separate agendas, separate Infinities, eternities or absoluteness in reality status. “Manifestation of divinity and personality”

Jesus proved you wrong because he came down from heaven, revealed the Father, resurrected a likeness of his former mortal self and now is Lord and God, yet has a Universal Father, he IS the personification of the Universal Father. No one gets to the Father except through him.

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