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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,15:45) Hi Irene,
Where does it say all will have a chance?
No second chances spoken of either.
God is God.
I am with Gen on this one and so is my Husband. What do you think happened to all those Babies that were Aborted and those that died before they could understand. All will be resurrected in their order and given a chance, I need to look up my Husband Article of hand I can't find any scriptures.
IreneActs 24:15 “And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.”
Even though we are all going to die, due to Adam’s sin, no one has yet been sentenced to eternal death, rather, all that have died, sleeping in their grave – hell -, will live again in Christ’s Millennium. The reason the bible tells us that the dead are sleeping in their graves is, because there will be an awakening from that sleep, it is the resurrection
1 Cor. 15:22 “ For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
For as in Adam all die; Adam’s sin made him unclean, and Job tells us;
Job 14:4 “ Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.”
We were doomed to die before we were born, before we had sinned. If we were to die for our own sins, how would you explain the death of infants and small children who have no concept of sin nor could they have committed any sin? We are all cursed with Adam’s curse, death. Did Job believe in a resurrection?
v. 14 “ If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time will I wait (in the grave), till my change come (the resurrection).”
v. 15 “ Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee, thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.”
Job not only believed in a resurrection, he also believed he would not be resurrected as an old man;
Job 33:25 “ His flesh shall be fresher than a child’s; he shall return to the days of his youth.”
This resurrection will occur during the Millennium, the thousand-year reign of Christ, also called “the day of the Lord” or “judgment day”. This will be the due time. But this “day” is not a day of condemning and sentencing; it is rather a time, thousand years, of teaching and correcting with fairness and justice. It is a time when all will have a chance to know and understand the truth;
Zeph. 3:9 “ For then will I turn to the people a pure language (the true Gospel), that they may all call upon the name of the LORD (Yahweh), to serve him with one consent.”
How many different religions do we have today? How many denominations are there alone in them that call themselves Christians? Why is it, that even within a denomination, Ministers can’t agree? That is all going to change.
Is. 11:9 “ They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain (kingdom) for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”
We should also see from this that not all would become spirit beings. If all the “saved” were to go to heaven, and all the “unsaved” were to go to hell, how would you explain;
Mat. 5:5 “ Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.”
And who are the meek? They are all who during the millennium have listened and obeyed the gospel of Christ; to become a spirit being, that is to have a change of nature, is the reward for the saints only. And who are the saints?
Ps. 50:5 “ Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.”
Rev. 3:21 “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame and am sat down with my Father in his throne.”
Do the saints go to heaven?
Rev. 5:10 “ And hast made us (the saints) unto our God kings and priests; and we shall reign (with Christ) on the earth.”
I say that makes it very plain; the meek will inherit the earth, and the saints will inherit the kingdom of God, his spiritual kingdom, and rule with Christ the King of kings, over the meek, for a thousand years, here on this earth.
ISN’T THIS WHAT WE’RE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR?Peace and Love Irene
The earliest schools of thought didn't contain eternal torment before the early roman church (manipulation through fear is such a potent device).
Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,19:37) Hi Irene,
We are not allowed to fill in the gaps for the sake of our sensibilities.
God is God.
Nick It has nothing to do with sensibilities, but all will die in Adam. Look up the Scriptures.
IreneTim You got it, many are in the Churches today because they are afraid of Hellfire. No understand of Heaven and Hell.
IreneIrene……..i agree with you on this, Fear is never a way to live, but “love that's casting out fear” is the way to live. Just as it say (NOTHING) is PERFECTED IN FEAR. And again “we have not come to that Mountain to FEAR and TRIMBLE as they Did”. But to that city whose builder and maker is GOD. We are so blessed to understand this.
lover and peace to you and yours…………….gene
Hi Tim,
Those who live in love and mercy may never know the lake of fire even if they never know Jesus. As the children of God pass their way they are likely to be kind also to them[Mt25]Quote (Tiffany @ Nov. 25 2008,19:03) Acts 24:15 “And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.”
Even though we are all going to die, due to Adam’s sin, no one has yet been sentenced to eternal death, rather, all that have died, sleeping in their grave – hell -, will live again in Christ’s Millennium. The reason the bible tells us that the dead are sleeping in their graves is, because there will be an awakening from that sleep, it is the resurrection
1 Cor. 15:22 “ For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
For as in Adam all die; Adam’s sin made him unclean, and Job tells us;
Job 14:4 “ Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.”
We were doomed to die before we were born, before we had sinned. If we were to die for our own sins, how would you explain the death of infants and small children who have no concept of sin nor could they have committed any sin? We are all cursed with Adam’s curse, death. Did Job believe in a resurrection?
v. 14 “ If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time will I wait (in the grave), till my change come (the resurrection).”
v. 15 “ Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee, thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.”
Job not only believed in a resurrection, he also believed he would not be resurrected as an old man;
Job 33:25 “ His flesh shall be fresher than a child’s; he shall return to the days of his youth.”
This resurrection will occur during the Millennium, the thousand-year reign of Christ, also called “the day of the Lord” or “judgment day”. This will be the due time. But this “day” is not a day of condemning and sentencing; it is rather a time, thousand years, of teaching and correcting with fairness and justice. It is a time when all will have a chance to know and understand the truth;
Zeph. 3:9 “ For then will I turn to the people a pure language (the true Gospel), that they may all call upon the name of the LORD (Yahweh), to serve him with one consent.”
How many different religions do we have today? How many denominations are there alone in them that call themselves Christians? Why is it, that even within a denomination, Ministers can’t agree? That is all going to change.
Is. 11:9 “ They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain (kingdom) for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”
We should also see from this that not all would become spirit beings. If all the “saved” were to go to heaven, and all the “unsaved” were to go to hell, how would you explain;
Mat. 5:5 “ Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.”
And who are the meek? They are all who during the millennium have listened and obeyed the gospel of Christ; to become a spirit being, that is to have a change of nature, is the reward for the saints only. And who are the saints?
Ps. 50:5 “ Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.”
Rev. 3:21 “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame and am sat down with my Father in his throne.”
Do the saints go to heaven?
Rev. 5:10 “ And hast made us (the saints) unto our God kings and priests; and we shall reign (with Christ) on the earth.”
I say that makes it very plain; the meek will inherit the earth, and the saints will inherit the kingdom of God, his spiritual kingdom, and rule with Christ the King of kings, over the meek, for a thousand years, here on this earth.
ISN’T THIS WHAT WE’RE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR?Peace and Love Irene
Hi Irene,
There is no scripture that says anyone but the Sons and daughters of God will be raised during the Millenium. That is a popular myth from the ideas of WCOG. We are urged in hebrews 4 to ensure we are found in that rest of God and not just to hope for salvation by the mercy of God in the second resurrection, that of the unjust.Hi 942767.
You have given a lengthly reply, but I will only deal with one, if I may. You quote Rev.20:10 as a example of your opinion. May I point out that this is an example of the most often error in translation that is in many versions. That is the greek word aion, being translated as “forever, endless, neverending, where in truth, it never means that, the correct English translation is “eon”, meaning a fixed lenght of time, similar to “age”. Scripture refers to five eons, we are in the third,”wicked” eon.
An example from the “Concordant Version” if I may is: …10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.
I apolagise for not commenting on the other statements, but I find myself short of time, and have shortened the amount of time I am on this website. I will be commenting on only a few subjects, thank you.Blessings.
942767……..Chosenone is right the word aion should be eon meaning a fixed length of time or age.
peace to you and yours………….gene
GB,
As Paul wrote to the saved at Phillipi
Phil212Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
No room for complacency and presumption among them either.
CO,
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.YOU of course is contextually sensitive.
Hi,
Scripture does not teach all men will be saved.We do not say God cannot or will not do such things-He can.
But since He does not say that He will then we should not speculate2 Corinthians 10:5
We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,
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