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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 24 2008,15:32) Nick…….no man (CAN) repent on his own, he must be guided to repentance BY the SPIRIT of GOD. Those people Peter was talking to in Acts were brought to repentance by the Holy Spirit that fell on them and it caused them to repent , they did not repent on their own. The Holy Spirit convicted them in there Hearts and then they said “men and brethren what shall we do seeing we have killed the son of GOD” they did not even consider that until the Spirit fell on them and that caused them to repent. It is a work of GOD Alone that save us, “for we are HIS workmanship (CREATED) unto good works”. Righteousness is a (CREATION) by GOD, you can't lose site of that Nick. peace to you………………gene
Hi Gene:The Holy Ghost convicts someone of sin, but it is up to the individual to repent.
Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 25 2008,07:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,04:23) GB,
It is not written that all men who ever live will be saved.
It is unwise to put words into God's mouth.
Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.We are putting words in Gods' mouth?
Hi CO:It would be nice if all men would be saved, but unfortunately, the scriptures do not teach this. You are trying to take one scripture and make this assertion.
God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,08:54) CO,
God is the Saviour of all mankind-there is no other Saviour of men.
But all mankind is not saved.
Your statement contradicts itself!God is the saviour of all mankind – …
But all mankind is not saved.What kind of statement is that???
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 25 2008,09:00) Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 25 2008,07:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,04:23) GB,
It is not written that all men who ever live will be saved.
It is unwise to put words into God's mouth.
Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.We are putting words in Gods' mouth?
Hi CO:It would be nice if all men would be saved, but unfortunately, the scriptures do not teach this. You are trying to take one scripture and make this assertion.
God Bless
Hi 942767.
So do you feel that this scripture, 1Tim.4:9-11 is not true?If scripture contradicts itself, then who are we to believe?
Lets discuss other scripture that you feel disproves this scripture. It would be interesting.
Blessings.
CO,
Who is the Saviour?
God
Is there any other Saviour?
No.
He is the Saviour of all mankind.Are all mankind saved?
Sadly
noGod so loved the world that He send His only Begotten Son into the world to save the world and not to condemn the world. No men can take that promise from anyone. Otherwise you are judging and if you do so, judgement will be on you.
Who are we to say that Mike will be saved, but Andrew not?
Sadly some have done so, I have to as a Christian and a Brethren, to show when some go wrong.
Ephesians 2:8 ” For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourself, it s a free gift from God,
verse 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
So Nick who are you to say that anyone will be saved or not?
Peace and Love IreneQuote Hi 942767.
So do you feel that this scripture, 1Tim.4:9-11 is not true?If scripture contradicts itself, then who are we to believe?
Lets discuss other scripture that you feel disproves this scripture. It would be interesting.
the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,–1 tim 4:9-11. (Also see 1 tim 2:4; John 12:32, Romans 5:18)
The Greek expressions rendered “all” and “everyone” in these verses are inflected forms of the word pas.
As shown in Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (London, 1962, Vol. I, p. 46), pas can also mean “every kind or variety.” So, in the above verses, instead of “all,” the expression “every kind of” could be used; or “all sorts of.”Which is correct—“all” or the thought conveyed by “all sorts of”? Well, which rendering is also harmonious with the rest of the Bible?
The latter one is.
Consider Acts 10:34, 35; Revelation 7:9, 10; 2 Thessalonians 1:9.
(Note: Other translators also recognize this sense of the Greek word, as is shown by their renderings of it at Matthew 5:11—“all kinds of,” RS, TEV; “every kind of,” NE; “all manner of,” KJ.)
They don't translate Mat 5:11 as: 'all evil against you' but rather as “all kinds of evil against you” (NIV; NASB)
–Reasoning From the ScritpuresQuote So do you feel that this scripture, 1Tim.4:9-11 is not true?
I of course feel it's true, but it could be translated more than one way, and the way it is often translated does conflict with other scriptures.The NWT translates it this way, in accord with the above:
because we have rested our hope on a living God, who is a Savior of all sorts of men, especially of faithful ones. Keep on giving these commands and teaching them.” (1 tim 4:10,11)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,09:19) CO,
Who is the Saviour?
God
Is there any other Saviour?
No.
He is the Saviour of all mankind.Are all mankind saved?
Sadly
no
Hi Nick:I agree with what you have stated. Jesus has paid the price for the salvation of all mankind, but it is conditional upon them believing the testimony of God concerning what He has done for their salvation through the Lord Jesus who is the propitiation for the sins of all humanity. Unfortunately, not all will believe.
Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 25 2008,09:09) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 25 2008,09:00) Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 25 2008,07:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,04:23) GB,
It is not written that all men who ever live will be saved.
It is unwise to put words into God's mouth.
Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.We are putting words in Gods' mouth?
Hi CO:It would be nice if all men would be saved, but unfortunately, the scriptures do not teach this. You are trying to take one scripture and make this assertion.
God Bless
Hi 942767.
So do you feel that this scripture, 1Tim.4:9-11 is not true?If scripture contradicts itself, then who are we to believe?
Lets discuss other scripture that you feel disproves this scripture. It would be interesting.
Blessings.
Hi CO:The following scriptures would contradict your interpretation of the scriptures, that all men will be saved:
Quote Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and everQuote 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
God Bless
Hi CO:
Also, this one:
Quote 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Hi CO:
And this one:
Quote 1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. And these:
Quote 2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was.
What about Judas Iscariot, and Ananias and Saphira are they saved?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2008,12:05) Hi Irene,
Scripture does not state all will be saved.
Should we add presumptions to scripture?
All will not be saved, but all will have a chance too! Not all unfortunately will follow that call. Many are called , but few are chosen. What are you talking about, should we add presumptions. I added nothing. All is scriptural. If you are referring to preeminence. He did have that Col.1:18
IreneNick………your view of God as a unjust God is not scriptural, Do you really think God will condem a person who is ignorant and doesn't know any better without giving him or her even a chance for salvation. The why does it say God has concluded (ALL) under Sin that He might have Mercy on ALL, and He is not willing for any to parish, and you don't know if God will give a person a thousand chances, those are just your words limiting and telling what God can or can not do. You need to see the Loving Nature of God the Father more for all His creation. IMO
peace to you said in love……………gene
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