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Quote If you understood what Wisdom is that would answer you question. Wisdom is the Balance between GOOD and EVIL INTELLECTS or SPIRITS. No Gene, wisdom is sound judgment, based on knowledge and understanding; the ability to use knowledge and understanding successfully to solve problems, avoid or avert dangers, attain certain goals, or counsel others in doing so.
It is the opposite of foolishness, stupidity, and madness, with which it is often contrasted.—De 32:6; Pr 11:29; Ec 6:8.It is not: the balance of good and evil. That is insane. At least, from a biblical standpoint, from a definition or dictionary standpoint, etc.
Quote you have not proved that Evil and GOOD will not still exist at all.
I did prove that wicked people won't exist. It just takes one scripture:“The upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.” (Pr 2:21,22)
PSALM 37:20
“For the wicked themselves will perish, And the enemies of Jehovah will be like the preciousness of pastures; They must come to their end. In smoke they must come to their end.”PSALM 104:35
“The sinners will be finished off from the earth; And as for the wicked, they will be no longer. Bless Jehovah, O my soul. Praise Jah, YOU people!”PROVERBS 10:7
“The remembrance of the righteous one is due for a blessing, but the very name of the wicked ones will rot.”MATTHEW 25:46
“And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.””If there's no more wicked people, the I would think there would be no more wickedness. If only those who have been tested and tried as to their loyalty to God exist, where will this evil be?
Quote It was no fluke accident we are in the condition , God Knew it was going to happen all a long, and intended it to happen. But the end will be for all our GOOD.
Now I understand–you believe God is evil and so of course evil will always exist. While God had the ability to forsee anything, he doesn't have to use it. I have the ability to know how a movie is going to end. But I don't use this ability all the time–it spoils the ending.David………….you said wisdom is sound Judgment based on Knowledge and Judgment , OF WHAT< good and evil thats what.
David i tell you in all truth if you didn't know good and evil you could make (NO) SOUND Judgment of anything. Eve was not lying when she said the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was good to make one WISE. When they ate their eyes were opened and the KNEW the WERE NAKED , before that they were just ignorant of there condition. Some say if they never ate we would all be better of while all this suffering would not have happened, you know ignorance is bless, but we would all have been as dumb as a bag of Hammers, Just a bunch of wackos walking around scratching our heads and wondering what was going on, naked as a bunch of Jay birds. Nick would probably likes that.love and peace to you and yours…………………….gene
Nick………good question, well let see , you are not walking out and oing to work naked are you, so there is some benifit right, do you love or hate war, I have seen enough to Hate it, Do you loe or hate evil like whe a little Girl is raped and Killed by some deranged idiot, do you love or hate it when people suffer in pain and sickness and on and on it goes. So lets say no evil ever happened in your life and you never experiences it and we were still walking around naked like zombie not even knowing we need covering, tell me would you in that state of never experiencing Evil first Hand come to Hate it then.
I tell you NO you would would not hate evil if you never had experienced it. Our God is marvelous in my eyes, in what He has done for our ultimate good, a perfect Plan right from the Start to the Finish. Praise and Glory to him for ever and ever. IMO
love and peace t you and yours…………………………..gene
Universal Salvation is no where in the bible.
if it were a true concept then all the gospel would be null and void.
God wills and desires everyone to be saved, but he created mankind with independant free will.
We are the only creatures created to not only have the ability of FREE WILL, but the authority to exercise it.
because of this, we are in danger of the pits of hell.
Angels have the ability to exercise free will, but no authority… there is no salvation for repented angels.
but human beings however, can sin and be forgiven.
(maybe due to the fact that they see and engage God on a daily basis, and are witness to his true glory).
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This is also the reason why we are cherished and prized over all of creation, because if we make it to heaven…we have accomplished the greatest feat anything in creation could possibly accomplish… and thats to rely, trust, depend, and love god according to your own free will.
So no, there is no universal salvation… God wills it, but he created us to go against his will and be saved from it through repentance and trust in him and his promise.
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Mt 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Mt 11:26 Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasurePierre
RokkaMan.
May I disagree with you?Quote Universal Salvation is no where in the bible.
What does it say in 1Tim.4:9-11? …9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
11 These things be charging and teaching.Also you say…
Quote God wills and desires everyone to be saved, but he created mankind with independant free will. We are the only creatures created to not only have the ability of FREE WILL, but the authority to exercise it.
because of this, we are in danger of the pits of hell.
No where in scripture does it say we were created with “independent free will”. But it does say, in Eph.1:10-11 …10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ — both that in the heavens and that on the earth —
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
Notice “Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,” He (God) is operating “ALL”, that means we, Gods creation, are in His control, not ours.Quote but human beings however, can sin and be forgiven.
True, not only 'forgiven', but “justified” by His (Jesus) sacrifice. God has done this by “His” will, not ours. Eph.2:8-10 …8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Especially notice “and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,”Quote because if we make it to heaven…we have accomplished the greatest feat anything in creation could possibly accomplish… and thats to rely, trust, depend, and love god according to your own free will. Now this is giving glory to oneself, when in truth it is God who deserves the Glory. Notice that part in Eph.2:10 …” For His achievement are we”, What could be more clear.
Yes, “All is of God” nothing is of “our” doing!To sum it all up, look what will be when His creation is completed, at the “consummation” …1Cor.15:23-28 23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)God will be “All in all”, that means “ALL”.
God Bless, Jerry.
1Ti 4:7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.
1Ti 4:8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
1Ti 4:9 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance
1Ti 4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.
1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.
1Ti 4:12 Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.
1Ti 4:13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.
1Ti 4:14 Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.
1Ti 4:15 Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress.
1Ti 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.Yes T,
God saves men every day from the potential results of their follies.
But after death comes the judgement.heb 9
Best to have the witnesses of 1 jn5Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,22:21) Yes T,
God saves men every day from the potential results of their follies.
But after death comes the judgement.heb 9
Best to have the witnesses of 1 jn5
NYou make allusion to the ” came by water and blood” right and so think it means water baptism for all right
Hmmmm..
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,23:53) Hi T,
What do you think it means?
N1Jn 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
1Jn 5:2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands.
1Jn 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
1Jn 5:4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
1Jn 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:
1Jn 5:8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
1Jn 5:9 We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
1Jn 5:10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.lets make it clear it talks about Christ no one else and it talks about the witnessing and testimony of him being the true Christ
1Jn 5:8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
1) the spirit = fulfillment of all scriptures about him including his miracles and his resurrection
2) the water = the time to start his ministry and JB
3) the blood = the live he voluntary give up as sacrifice for others
and 1+2+3+ are in agreement; this means that all what was said and foretold about him came through in him ,in a other way it is a full circle ,
Hi T,
So Jesus is the anointed one, the Son born of water and the Spirit at the Jordan and baptised in blood by his death.He is an overcomer and his brothers too overcome by faith and unity with him and his powers.
We follow him into that rebirth of water and the Spirit being baptised into his death.[rom6]
He is by God's decree the source of eternal life for us, that life is in the Son.
Those religious people who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of his.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2012,16:38) Hi T,
So Jesus is the anointed one, the Son born of water and the Spirit at the Jordan and baptised in blood by his death.He is an overcomer and his brothers too overcome by faith and unity with him and his powers.
We follow him into that rebirth of water and the Spirit being baptised into his death.[rom6]
He is by God's decree the source of eternal life for us, that life is in the Son.
Those religious people who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of his.
Nis that that you read in those scriptures
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and this one what you think of :Rev 19:10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
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