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Chosenone ……..good to see you back….Amen to your post brother. Its all about the GRACE (God's influencing on the Heart) that works salvation. His grace alone is what saves (ALL) mankind and even saved Jesus our Lord.Does it not say Jesus Christ a man (FULL OF THE GRACE)of GOD.
love and peace to you and yours…………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 03 2008,18:19) Hi CO,
But God never promised to save all men.
Nick……> show us scriptures where God said He was going to destroy anyone, or where it says God is unable to save ALL then. Please explain to us in what way He (CAN NOT) SAVE ALL> seeing you believe He will destroy His creation and cause them to parish in some everlasting eternal lake of fire and watch will they scream out into all eternity because of the everlasting toucher going on. I and others have already shown you many time scriptures that say the opposite. Your fear religion is the religion of the world and is not scriptural at all and only serves trepidation to get control of peoples minds as is most religions of the world. But thanks be to our GOD, and Jesus we can be set free from that form of religion and brought unto the GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE SONS OF GOD, For indeed Christ came to set the (CAPTIVES) free from such garbage religions. Men have been held captive long enough by these false teaching of Pagan origins. IMOpeace ……….gene
GB,
Indeed it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God. How important is it to respond to his rescue mission and be found in Jesus and not remaining under His wrath. Some will not even find mercy and be cast into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.To offer another gospel whereby no response is required, no knowledge needed of Jesus and his mission from God but some sort of philosophical hope that because He can save all then He will, is not of wisdom.
We are not even to offer greetings to those who teach outside of the Word of God.
Nick…….Again you just ignore scripture given you so you can push your own fear religion I believe if anyone is going to hell fire its people who set themselves up as some kind of Judges of others when they themselves are nothing but a sinner them self , But Jesus said forgive and it shall be forgiven you for if you do not forgive men there trespasses NEITHER SHALL YOU HEAVENLY FATHER FORGIVE YOU, YOU YOUR TRESPASSES. Maybe you need to think about that a little more NICK> Who are you to say what the FAther will do or not do Who made you a judge over GOd'S heritage. If God says He is not willing that any parish and if He chosses not to destory anyone who are you O Man to go against God if He says He has concluded all under sin that He may have Mercy on all, Who are you Little Man to argue against GOD”S WORD. It God that Justifies NOT YOU. IMO
Nick…….Show us one Scripture where it says a response is invoked by ones self. without any Help from God , I want to see that. I ll Show YOU were Jesus Said (NO MAN CAN COME UNTO ME UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW HIM) So much for you so call self response .
Nick…..All will be through, or How could GOD be ALL and in ALL. You sell the Father short. He is a lot more powerful then you imagine He is. He get into our minds and reveals to us what he wants us to understand and removes all uncleanness and sin in our lives Just as it say he does. You really need to have more Faith in what God can and will do, and trust less in mans ability.
GB,
Jesus did not say this and he is the truth.
Paul is not greater than Jesus and not divided from him.
You misunderstand Christ's servant Paul writing to ALL the saved.The gospel of salvation has not become irrelevant by God's servant but rather Paul preached that gospel and exhorted men everywhere to repent.
Nick……Man (CAN NOT) repent on his own , for the carnal mind is enmity to GOD (NOT) subject to the Laws of God neither indeed (CAN BE) let that sink in. Now sense man can't repent on his own, then something has to cause repentance then . Is it man so- called free will that does it apparently not. It takes GOD Himself to bring about repentance and He does it through the Spirit of truth He gives us, and then we repent because our thinking has changed. Repentance is the result of change of Mind and change of mind is the result of God's influencing on the heart (GRACE). MAN!, CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.Salvation is a WORK of GOD (NOT) MAN>
Nick……BRILLIANT STATEMENT, so tell us (HOW ALL REPENT) is it by their (OWN) FREE WILLS or By the POWER OF GOD, GODS GRACE?
GB,
Do all men repent?
It is not shown to be the case in the bible.
All must repent by God's demand but the history of the gospel is that few do.All will have to accept the authority of Jesus Christ and bend the knee to him but that has nothing to do with repentance towards God.
Nick……not All (AT THIS TIME) are being called and chosen, but that is not to say they never will be saved. If you understood scripture you could easily see where in the future they will have their opened and he will repent. You keep limiting GOD'S power to the WILL of MAN and not realizing ALL THINGS are Possible (WITH GOD)> He will preform HIS WILL, and His will is that ALL be SAVED, Just as it SAYS. If GOD is NOT (WILLING) that ANY PARISH, then who are you to WILL SOME to PARISH, what is causing you to doubt what GOD SAYS, is it because you really don't believe GOD is Fully Capable of Saving His Creation.
Or you don't understand the power of GOD to get into the minds and cause them to repent, Don't you believe GOD can take out the Stony Heart and Give us a Heart of Flesh, (soft hearts). “O” you of LITTLE FAITH> If GOD has concluded (ALL) Which includes you, under sin that he might have mercy on ALL , why are you against that, is it because your thinking yourself is better then the rest of mankind. Let GOD have MERCY on Your evil and sinful self , but to HELL FIRE for the rest of mankind. YOU just do not savior the LOVE and POWER of our Heavenly FATHER, or HIS power to deliver His whole creation from the BONDAGE of corruption. IMO
Nick……does it say all men who have ever lived will (NOT) repent. Show us that Scripture. I have showed you where its not GOD WILl (ANY) parish, and where Paul sai every mans work will be tried by fire and if he has build with gold or silver ore precious stones he will recieve a reward, but is he has built with straw , hay, or stubble he will suffer lose, (BUT) HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET AS BY FIRE> and (YOU) say Paul was talking about the church, but Paul did not say that, He said EVERY MANS WORK WILL BE JUDGED. Nick every man, means every man, not just a few.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2008,07:00) GB,
All men must repent.
Is it written that all men are given the grace of repentance?
Nick.
The answer to your question is “Yes”.
2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.What do we repent of? Christ has done it for us all.
Blessings.
Hi CO,
Did you think the words to the saved in Corinth somehow apply to all men who have ever lived?
They apply to the body of Christ and ALL men have not joined with him.
Get real dude.
ContextQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 19 2008,18:45) Hi CO,
Did you think the words to the saved in Corinth somehow apply to all men who have ever lived?
They apply to the body of Christ and ALL men have not joined with him.
Get real dude.
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exactlyDk…..truth is “RELIGIOUS” people like to think they are exclusive and by their choices have saved themselves through their so-called (FREE WILL), while the (REST) of humanity just doesn't meet the standard that (THEY) have and therefore will be thrown in to a supposed literal lake of fire and be burned for all eternity screaming out in agony for ever. They fail to see if GOD could save them then He also could save ALL MANKIND, and If thats GOD WILL , He certainty will accomplish His WILL.
This self centered group of humanity may find themselves thrown into the lake of fire they think others are going into. They do not understand they are saved by GRACE and NOTHING ELSE>if they did they would not think their GOD was a GOD that would murder his own children in a most hideous way of torture and pain in a literal lake of fire.
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