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Hi T,
So if the arm of God is the Spirit of God why would anyone put Jesus in the verse of the NIV if it is not in any manuscript?Nick
you said the wrong interpretation ;
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Hi T,
The glory of the Lord of Hosts, our God.[Is6]It is evil imagination to say that there was another god in another heavenly temple
I showed you that you were wrong ;and that the NIV was right ; then you go out of your mind of trying to call me all things; but first show me ;what is more truthful putting the right name of what is meant ;or teach what we personally believe like you did and teach the wrong things
plus the insults,now if you want to argue which of the scriptures version are totally true this answer is easy ,NONE
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2014,03:11) Hi T,
So if the arm of God is the Spirit of God why would anyone put Jesus in the verse of the NIV if it is not in any manuscript?
Nickall know that the ARM is Christ ,I thought you understood that was I wrong
It is Christ who is meant in John 12. Christ is also one of the people who have been called “the arm of the Lord”. (Cyrus, for example, was another one.)
Nick, your idea that John was talking about the Holy Spirit doesn't even fit the context. Have you considered that?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2014,04:09) Hi,
So if you think it fits you do not need scripture to back you up?
Your problems are deep
Nickgo to the previous page and you will find my supporting scriptures ,but you give only your opinion and even that is false
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2014,03:11) Hi T,
So if the arm of God is the Spirit of God why would anyone put Jesus in the verse of the NIV if it is not in any manuscript?
Nickno if ,you are running away;THE ARM IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT ,
AND THE SCRIPTURES THAT i QUOTED SAY IN THERE CONTEXT THAT IT IS JESUS CHRIST ,
SO YOU CAN STOP OF BEING FALLS ,
John 12
37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him (Jesus). 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord (Jesus) been revealed?”39 For this reason they could not believe (in Jesus), because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40
“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”41 Isaiah said this because he saw his (Jesus') glory and spoke about him (Jesus).
Bottom line: They did not believe in Jesus because Isaiah, speaking about Jesus, foretold that they would not believe in him.
This is the teaching.
whatever God tells to be in the future can be changed to a point ;but one thing as to be done first ;
Ge 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.”
if not ;;Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.RO 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
2PE 2:19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
Hi MB,
Indeed men have always refused to listen to those who bring God's message.
The flesh contributes nothingThat is not an answer, Nick. I have shown you that JESUS is the one Isaiah foretold about, and saw the glory of.
Either agree with what I have shown you, or REFUTE it scripturally.
Hi MB,
You are adding to what is written because of your viewpoint just as the NIV does?
Isaiah 6 does not speak of the glory of Jesus-compare rev 4Nick, you are free to tell me which part(s) of Rev 4 support your theory that Isaiah foretold about “the Holy Spirit”.
But you must ask yourself:
1. Was Jesus the Holy Spirit itself? NO.
2. Had Jesus allotted the Holy Spirit to anyone at the time the events of John 14 took place? NO.
3. Had any of the people who rejected Jesus in John 14 even had the OPPORTUNITY to accept or reject the Holy Spirit? NO.
So they certainly didn't refuse to believe on Jesus because Isaiah had foretold about THE HOLY SPIRIT – like you suggest.
You are way off base, when you consider the CONTEXT of the passage. I have highlighted it for you. If you still cannot grasp it, I can do no more for you.
Nick
you did not solve the understanding in John 12 how do you going to understand the scriptures in Isaiah and Revelation
you jump from one unsolved understanding to another ;and call everyone else liars without understanding please look at what you doing .
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2014,10:13) John 12
37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him (Jesus). 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord (Jesus) been revealed?”39 For this reason they could not believe (in Jesus), because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40
“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”41 Isaiah said this because he saw his (Jesus') glory and spoke about him (Jesus).
Bottom line: They did not believe in Jesus because Isaiah, speaking about Jesus, foretold that they would not believe in him.
This is the teaching.
Hi MB,
By presumption you have added JESUS to these scriptures
THe Flesh contributes nothing.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2014,14:33) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2014,10:13) John 12
37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him (Jesus). 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord (Jesus) been revealed?”39 For this reason they could not believe (in Jesus), because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40
“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”41 Isaiah said this because he saw his (Jesus') glory and spoke about him (Jesus).
Bottom line: They did not believe in Jesus because Isaiah, speaking about Jesus, foretold that they would not believe in him.
This is the teaching.
Hi MB,
By presumption you have added JESUS to these scriptures
THe Flesh contributes nothing.
Then let's try it your way, Nick:John 12
37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him (The Holy Spirit). 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord (The Holy Spirit) been revealed?”39 For this reason they could not believe (in The Holy Spirit), because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40
“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”41 Isaiah said this because he saw his (The Holy Spirit's) glory and spoke about him (The Holy Spirit).
How does that work? Had any of those people failed to believe in THE HOLY SPIRIT? Which part of John 14 tells you so?
See Nick, you smart-ass quips don't actually help anyone out. They don't teach anybody anything except that you are a smart-ass. So what is your reason for being on HN? To post mindless tripe and disagree with the scriptural things people show you – without once showing an ounce of support for your disagreements?
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