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Quote (katjo @ Oct. 13 2009,13:49) no, I listen very carefully to His words, I dont think you are.
Hi KAT,
So which words were you carefully listening to that taught you that Jesus was a part of a trinity god and not the Son of God?Men can be very convincing but you should really listen to Jesus if he is your Lord.
Hi KAT,
One of the characteristics of the spirit of tradition is unteachability.
As with the Pharisees the word of God did not penetrate their fossilised beliefs.I know theres one God. Rev. 19:16 and he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written;
KING OF KNIGS AND LORD OF LORDS!!
Rev. 21;3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will DWELL with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. (7) (speaking of Jesus)
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. I already showed you script. Rev 1;8 Jesus himself saying he is the Almighty! Isaiah, the everlasting Father! Rev 16:7(speaking of Jesus)And I heard another out of the altar say,even so Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. you better do some reading in Rev. again. about judgment, thats from Jesus at it tells you he is Lord God, He will be your God, He is God Almighty.Rev. 14:7 fear God and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judment has come,worship Him that made the heaven and the earth. Col. 1;16 tells us , by Jesus were all things created in heaven and in earth. You have to be blind not to see this. Do you look over these scriptures or what?Katjo……….Jesus said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF , But you who know more then Jesus, Where did He say, HE did (ALL) things and CREATED them ALL HIMSELF. Seems we have a contradiction between you and Jesus. It appears Trinitarian dogmas have deluded your thinking. Maybe you just overlooked the words of Jesus for sake of your traditions, no i can't say yours but the traditions of your teachers.
gene
Gene-you quote-“but you who know more the Jesus said he did (all)things and created them all. I dont understand what you quotted.
Kato…….Have correct my post. But if you would like I can get the Quote for YOU where Jesus said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF, I also can give the quote where it says GOD DOES (ALL) THINGS AFTER THE COUNCIL OF HIS WILL, I also can get the quote for you where Jesus said He came (NOT) to do HIS WILL but the WILL of HIM who sent HIM. But the point here is will you believe them even if they are presented to you or will you let Trinitarian dogmas prevail in you. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene @ Oct. 14 2009,04:13) Kato…….Have correct my post. But if you would like I can get the Quote for YOU where Jesus said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF, I also can give the quote where it says GOD DOES (ALL) THINGS AFTER THE COUNCIL OF HIS WILL, I also can get the quote for you where Jesus said He came (NOT) to do HIS WILL bit the will of HIM but the WILL of HIM who sent HIM. But the point here is will you believe them even if they are presented to you or will you let Trinitarian dogmas prevail in you. IMO gene
Yes Jesus couldn't do anything of his own will because he is a reflection of The Father.If you stand in a mirror, your reflection will not move unless you move.
As with The Father and Jesus.
So what are you really trying to say Gene, do you even understand it yourself? Or are you blindly pointing fingers when your understanding is not yet fully developed.
Quote (katjo @ Oct. 14 2009,02:39) I know theres one God. Rev. 19:16 and he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written;
KING OF KNIGS AND LORD OF LORDS!!
Rev. 21;3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will DWELL with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. (7) (speaking of Jesus)
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. I already showed you script. Rev 1;8 Jesus himself saying he is the Almighty! Isaiah, the everlasting Father! Rev 16:7(speaking of Jesus)And I heard another out of the altar say,even so Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. you better do some reading in Rev. again. about judgment, thats from Jesus at it tells you he is Lord God, He will be your God, He is God Almighty.Rev. 14:7 fear God and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judment has come,worship Him that made the heaven and the earth. Col. 1;16 tells us , by Jesus were all things created in heaven and in earth. You have to be blind not to see this. Do you look over these scriptures or what?
Hi KAT,
How many gods do you have?
God was in Christ [2cor5] but was he that God in him as well?If we see Jesus as God's image…for him to say he is Lord of Lords and King of Kings doesn't change the view that Jesus is God's image.
If you take a picture of a cow, The cow in the picture, is still a COW…but the picture of the cow isn't a COW….it's a picture.
So even though Jesus is called Jesus and he is the reflection or image of God…he isn't actually God…he's a picture of God.
Which in essence is greater than all creation. And is supreme ruler of everything except God himself.
It's a Paradox…Jesus isn't God, yet he is Lord of all things besides The Father. In which some may call that God.
Back to the cow picture…
If The cow was a brown cow with yellow spots, then in the picture you'd see a brown cow with yellow spots.
So if YHWH is Lord of Lords and King of Kings…Jesus, being his reflection is also Lord of Lords and King of Kings…
And yes Jesus was referred to in Rev. as approaching on a horse with a sash that had written on it” Lord of Lords, King of Kings”
Revelations 17:14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:37) Hi RM,
God was in him working through him.
He thus imaged and revealed God in nature and power.
I agree…i've reliquished the ideas that Jesus is God…rather Jesus is the express image of God.He is God to all creation in respect to what he can and can't do in this world. But he is not actually
So I have no arguement with you there.
He also revealed God by dying on the cross.Hi RM,
Of course God did not die .
The human spirit of Jesus left him at calvary but the abiding faithful Spirit of God stayed in him and raised him.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:56) Hi RM,
Of course God did not die .
The human spirit of Jesus left him at calvary but the abiding faithful Spirit of God stayed in him and raised him.
So where is the disagreement?Rather God's Glory died, only to be raised in an ever more powerful presense to make the statement that God always prevails.
It's a testament to sin. When the devil, and sin try to conquer…God will always have his way.
RM…….Scripture also says we are made in the (IMAGE) of GOD so are we GOD also , Jesus said in prayer to GOD , “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. A image is never the exact same thing as what it is imaging. Stand in front of a mirror and tell me are you in the mirror or is it a reflection or image of you. Jesus did image GOD to Us, but he was (NOT) the GOD he was imaging. God said He gave His Glory to (NO) man, Jesus was a Man and Not a GOD. Just believe His own word, that is all you have to do. Jesus worshiped GOD the FATHER and showed us how to Worship GOD the FATHER and have a real relationship with him.
gene
How could just a man go threw and do what Jesus did? He could not. Nick, your almost talking the trinity here.You quotted the spirit of God stayed in him and raised him. God is spirit who came to the earth in the flesh to die for our sins. Do you think He would of been believed on as much, if He was never seen in the flesh? Remember what Jesus told Thomas when he called him My Lord and My God? BLESSED are those who havent seen and still believe! So at that time until he was crucified and yielded up the ghost, the Father was greater than the son until he finished what he had come to the earth to accomplish. To take on all the sins of the world. Matthew 28:17And when they saw him,they worshipped him; but some doubted. (18) and Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in the earth. (19) Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Ghost;(20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you alway,(holy spirit) even until the end of the world.
Hi Kat,
If you are based on trinity you will see it everywhere.
But it is not taught in scripture.Instead the Son of God came and was filled with the Spirit of God thus uniting him with God in Spirit.
We too are invited to become adopted sons also sharing in God's Spirit .
Thus at the end God will be all in all.The Son of God is also called Emmanuel.(God with us) John1;1 The Word was God and became flesh. Rev. 19:13 tells us, Jesus's name is the word of God.(16)He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.(capitals) Rev, 21:7 he that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be His God,and he shall be my son.
1 Corinth 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ!
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