TO THE JWS.HERE AND EVERYWHERE.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,19:47)

Hi Wakeup, There is nothing wrong with being organized. The problem with hierarchy is impropriety and the lack of fiduciary responsibilities.   Consider carefully what Yashua said: Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

And what is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans?

regards

[david]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2012,08:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2012,02:25) But please open your eyes; they are making lots of money,selling the magazines, and books after books,and booklets after booklets,and videos. Hmmmm…………..  I've got a lot of JW literature in my house, yet I've never been asked to pay a dime for any of it.

No one actually “pays” for this literature. Neither does anyone “sell” it, for that is illegal.

Anyone at any time can make a donation towards the worldwide work, which includes publishing bibles, magazines, and books.

I have been watching rather closely over the last several years, and although we are told to remind people that we do take donations that can be passed on for the worldwide work, I only see this maybe 1% of the time, where a witness informs the person behind the door, of this. You do have the odd person that just understands that it costs money to print things and so volunteers to give a couple bucks on their own, but this is extremely rare.

The money doesn't really come from people in the territory, but it comes from people in the congregation who want to give. For tax reasons, cheques are often given right before the end of the year. (in Canada, any amount of money over 200$, you get 1/2 back in income tax. Anything under 200$, you get 1/4 back, if I remember correctly)

Mike is right. Jw virtually never mention the donation arrangement to people who receive literature.
(It doesn't cost a lot to make the literature, since all who help are volunteers)

I am only saying these things with the hope that t8 will stop implying that jw tithe or that jw are always asking for money.

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,17:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2012,08:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2012,02:25) But please open your eyes; they are making lots of money,selling the magazines, and books after books,and booklets after booklets,and videos. Hmmmm…………..  I've got a lot of JW literature in my house, yet I've never been asked to pay a dime for any of it.   No one actually “pays” for this literature.  Neither does anyone “sell” it, for that is illegal.   Anyone at any time can make a donation towards the worldwide work, which includes publishing bibles, magazines, and books. I have been watching rather closely over the last several years, and although we are told to remind people that we do take donations that can be passed on for the worldwide work, I only see this maybe 1% of the time, where a witness informs the person behind the door, of this.  You do have the odd person that just understands that it costs money to print things and so volunteers to give a couple bucks on their own, but this is extremely rare. The money doesn't really come from people in the territory, but it comes from people in the congregation who want to give.  For tax reasons, cheques are often given right before the end of the year.  (in Canada, any amount of money over 200$, you get 1/2 back in income tax.  Anything under 200$, you get 1/4 back, if I remember correctly) Mike is right. Jw virtually never mention the donation arrangement to people who receive literature. (It doesn't cost a lot to make the literature, since all who help are volunteers) I am only saying these things with the hope that t8 will stop implying that jw tithe or that jw are always asking for money.

David

when did they change it was not always that way right

is the ORG have now declared an official religion in Canada ?that you can now get deductions from Canada Govermt

[terraricca]

David

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I am only saying these things with the hope that t8 will stop implying that jw tithe or that jw are always asking for money.

how big is the JW empire now you think because they have changed their approach they are now like the CHURCH OF GOD (AMRSTRONG)is this not the same Org.??

[mikeboll64]

Hi Pierre,

I don't know if they still do this, but they use to give a year-end accounting of all funds. Money taken in, and what it was spent on.

They weren't rolling in dough, as I remember. Nor do I remember them ever having a huge surplus.

Perhaps David knows more?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2012,18:49)

Hi Pierre, I don't know if they still do this, but they use to give a year-end accounting of all funds.  Money taken in, and what it was spent on. They weren't rolling in dough, as I remember.  Nor do I remember them ever having a huge surplus. Perhaps David knows more?

Mike

I can not talk for the states,but to be able to have refund for donation in Canada ,your Org as to be recognize by the government laws ,as long I was informed ,they never did present a edited expense sheet of any kind ,and my time with them they were building a lot of buildings,and all had to pinch in.

[david]

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when did they change it was not always that way right is the ORG have now declared an official religion in Canada ?that you can now get deductions from Canada Govermt

Maybe 40 years ago. That was a random guess. I don't know. As for an official religion in Canada, I'm guessing for a very very long time.

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,19:06)

Quote when did they change  it was not always that way right is the ORG have now declared an official religion in Canada ?that you can now get deductions from Canada Govermt Maybe 40 years ago.  That was a random guess.  I don't know.  As for an official religion in Canada, I'm guessing for a very very long time.

David

thanks, but I think they were still fighting in Quebec 50 years ago ,and some 40 years ago

but my point was that it was not always the way it is now

[Wakeup]

Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,10:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2012,08:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2012,02:25) But please open your eyes; they are making lots of money,selling the magazines, and books after books,and booklets after booklets,and videos. Hmmmm…………..  I've got a lot of JW literature in my house, yet I've never been asked to pay a dime for any of it.   No one actually “pays” for this literature.  Neither does anyone “sell” it, for that is illegal.   Anyone at any time can make a donation towards the worldwide work, which includes publishing bibles, magazines, and books. I have been watching rather closely over the last several years, and although we are told to remind people that we do take donations that can be passed on for the worldwide work, I only see this maybe 1% of the time, where a witness informs the person behind the door, of this.  You do have the odd person that just understands that it costs money to print things and so volunteers to give a couple bucks on their own, but this is extremely rare. The money doesn't really come from people in the territory, but it comes from people in the congregation who want to give.  For tax reasons, cheques are often given right before the end of the year.  (in Canada, any amount of money over 200$, you get 1/2 back in income tax.  Anything under 200$, you get 1/4 back, if I remember correctly) Mike is right. Jw virtually never mention the donation arrangement to people who receive literature. (It doesn't cost a lot to make the literature, since all who help are volunteers) I am only saying these things with the hope that t8 will stop implying that jw tithe or that jw are always asking for money.

Hi david.

All those books cost money;where is the money coming from?
It must come from somewhere.To build new kingdom halls also cost a lot money. The flock is the source of the money.

You must understand that a gift should be a gift,with nothing back expected. If I give a donation I dont expect it back from the government,or anybody.For then it is not a gift.

By the way, you have not answered my question about the 14400, making errors after error,and yet the flock is willing to close their eyes to that.

wakeup.

[david]

Wakeup, I have only been pointing out what I consider obvious errors. In order to close your eyes to something, you first have to see it, to be aware of it. I assure you, that they don't see errors. I have said about 100 times on this forum: People see what they want to see.

[Wakeup]

Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,12:57)

Wakeup, I have only been pointing out what I consider obvious errors.  In order to close your eyes to something, you first have to see it, to be aware of it.  I assure you, that they don't see errors.  I have said about 100 times on this forum: People see what they want to see.

David.

Please, have they not made many great wrong predictions of the end of the world? is the answer yes or no.

I am not against you personally,so dont see this as an attack on you.You have the right to choose your own religion.

wakeup.

[david]

Obviously. And I don't know why you would be against me. You don't know me. Everyone here misrepresents me. People see what they want to see.

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,19:57)

Wakeup, I have only been pointing out what I consider obvious errors.  In order to close your eyes to something, you first have to see it, to be aware of it.  I assure you, that they don't see errors.  I have said about 100 times on this forum: People see what they want to see.

David

this is true ,to some you can tell theme the truth and still do not believe it this is also true in live ,people just do not believe the truth,look at politicians they know if they tell the truth they will not be voted in ,

this is why they talk in a way to make people feel good,so is religion the leaders will use skills in a way to control masses ;

question ;would this be the type of people that handled the truth of God ? NO they handle the truth that as been provided to them ,so was Paul ,until Jesus on the road to Damas change that,

[Wakeup]

Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,13:35)

Obviously.  And I don't know why you would be against me.  You don't know me.  Everyone here misrepresents me.  People see what they want to see.

Hi David.

Is it not obvious that the holy spirit is not with the so called special chosen by God?The 14000.

The holy spirit was given to the apostles,and therefore we can rely on their testimonies;they dont make mistakes.

So what do you say about the top elders of the jws? have they been given the holy spirit,or is that just their claim?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2012,02:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2012,00:18) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2012,09:47) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,11:32) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2012,04:03) edj WHAT HIS THE TRUTH ? Hi Pierre, Jesus Christ is. God bless Ed J edj WHY?? PIERRE, Because everything in the bible that is spoken of him is true. All things in him are “Yea”!   …Praise YHVH for “The Truth”! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes eddy you got it .10 on 10 bravo Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 15 2012,09:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,19:47) Hi Wakeup, There is nothing wrong with being organized. The problem with hierarchy is impropriety and the lack of fiduciary responsibilities.   Consider carefully what Yashua said: Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. God bless Ed J Hi Ed And what is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans? regards

Hi Wakeup Journey, the religious Nicolaitans had a hierarchy system.

       “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat” (Matt 23:2)

  “Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes
  and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt 5:20)

(Mark 10:42-45) “Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them;
and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be
great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2012,21:59)

Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,13:35) Obviously.  And I don't know why you would be against me.  You don't know me.  Everyone here misrepresents me.  People see what they want to see. Hi David. Is it not obvious that the holy spirit is not with the so called special chosen by God?The 14000. The holy spirit was given to the apostles,and therefore we can rely on their testimonies;they dont make mistakes. So what do you say about the top elders of the jws? have they been given the  holy spirit,or is that just their claim? wakeup.

Wake up

Are running the distribution center for the holy spirit ??

I was under the understanding that it was Christ that would sent it to whom he wanted to ,no ??

144k are saints and chosen by Christ those are special for the are the only ones that are redeemed from the earth

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2012,16:50)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2012,21:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,13:35) Obviously.  And I don't know why you would be against me.  You don't know me.  Everyone here misrepresents me.  People see what they want to see. Hi David. Is it not obvious that the holy spirit is not with the so called special chosen by God?The 14000. The holy spirit was given to the apostles,and therefore we can rely on their testimonies;they dont make mistakes. So what do you say about the top elders of the jws? have they been given the  holy spirit,or is that just their claim? wakeup. Wake up Are running the distribution center for the holy spirit ?? I was under the understanding that it was Christ that would sent it to whom he wanted to ,no ?? 144k are saints and chosen by Christ those are special  for the are the only ones that are redeemed from the earth

Pierre.

My question was for David.
Are the 144000 jw elders given the holy spirit like the apostles?

Wakeup.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2012,16:11)

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 15 2012,09:55) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,19:47) Hi Wakeup, There is nothing wrong with being organized. The problem with hierarchy is impropriety and the lack of fiduciary responsibilities.   Consider carefully what Yashua said: Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. God bless Ed J Hi Ed And what is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans? regards Hi Wakeup Journey, the religious Nicolaitans had a hierarchy system.        “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat” (Matt 23:2)   “Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes   and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt 5:20) (Mark 10:42-45) “Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

I don't think anyone really knows what the deeds of the Nicolaitians are. There doesn't seem to be much information, only guesswork.

Do you think it could have something to do with St Nicolas?
Whether one takes part in the pagan celebration of xmas?
That to me would make more sense.

It was very hard for me to give up xmas. So much pressure from family & friends. They made me feel like a weirdo. But I did it for the love of the truth, and they don't follow Christ, but love this tradition.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2012,00:17)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2012,16:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2012,21:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,13:35) Obviously.  And I don't know why you would be against me.  You don't know me.  Everyone here misrepresents me.  People see what they want to see. Hi David. Is it not obvious that the holy spirit is not with the so called special chosen by God?The 14000. The holy spirit was given to the apostles,and therefore we can rely on their testimonies;they dont make mistakes. So what do you say about the top elders of the jws? have they been given the  holy spirit,or is that just their claim? wakeup. Wake up Are running the distribution center for the holy spirit ?? I was under the understanding that it was Christ that would sent it to whom he wanted to ,no ?? 144k are saints and chosen by Christ those are special  for the are the only ones that are redeemed from the earth Pierre. My question was for David. Are the 144000 jw elders given the holy spirit like the apostles? Wakeup.

Wakeup

They are called saints,not elders,elders are all people who have been in a religion or fath long enough to understand what it is that going on,do not confuse them with mature people in the faith ,

The saint are not called saints because they may or may not have the actions of the holy spirit,this is only given for a purpose and it is God decision not ours,and what is it to you if they have it or not,would it influence your faith

What I have notice is that the holy spirit was never given to unmature believers,

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