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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:40)
So Jesus is a God but not the God??
Its a simple, direct answer MIke, thats all im looking for.
Can't you read, man?
Kathi, could you tell D what I very clearly and emphatically said as my answer to his question?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:40)
What difference does your belief have with Greek mythology that believes in many gods, and one supreme God such as Zues.
D, do you not know what “el”, “theos” or “god” means? It means “ruler” or “judge” or “mighty one”. Unlike Greek mythology, we do not have a god who controls the wind and another who controls the oceans and another responsible for bringing the rain, and another who controls the sun, etc. We have ONE GOD in charge of all of that and everything else.D, do you understand this so far?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:40)
I believe that the scriptures express, that there is only One God.
So then do you just close your eyes and skim over the 100's of scriptures that refer to someone other than YHVH as ” a god”? Scriptures speak of many gods, D. Just like today we have many “rulers” and many “judges” and many “mighty ones”. You have to be smart enough to know that just because Judge Judy is “a judge” does not mean she is our ONE TRUE JUDGE.Psalm 136:2 NIV
Give thanks to the God of gods. His love endures forever.What does “God of gods” even mean if there is literally only one who is called “god”? Wise up, sonny!
mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,11:37) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,05:29) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2010,06:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 20 2010,17:06) Quote But Keith and SF were implying that Titus 2:13 taught that Jesus was God Almighty Himself, and I'm sure you don't think it means Jesus is the only UNbegotten God, do you?
When did I imply this? Since im super late in finding this thread, can you tell me from what thread did i imply this? It must have been that because it seems you directed the arguement towards me since you “bumped” me.
Hey D,I honestly can't remember what you said that prompted me to start this thread, but I'm thinking you must have quoted this scripture as some kind of proof that Jesus is God.
Look at the date I posted it. Maybe you can backtrack the many conversations we were having back then.
If I have misspoken, and you DON'T think Jesus is God Almighty, then I apologize and would like you to clear the air about that right now.
Because I've always understood you to think Jesus was THE GOD along with the Father.peace and love,
mike
Its very clear that i believe Jesus is God.What I dont get, or dont remember is the “why” you started this thread, maybe i had more to what i said before.
And I dont believe Jesus is God “along” or “beside” or “coequal” with the Father.
Jesus is God, the Father is in HIm, as he is in the FAther, they are the same person, there isnt a time they were ever seperated.
Hi SF,John 17:21 That they all may be one(in spirit); as thou, Father(HolySpirit), art in me(John 1:33-34),
and I in thee(1Pt.1:11), that they also may be one in us(John 14:23): that the world may believe that thou
hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may
know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.When God's spirit becomes resident in us (Eph4:4-6),
does that mean we also (according to SF) become God (John 1:33-34)?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J
WHO IS TALKING TO YOU?
Hi SF,What's the matter, Dennison?
Don't you want your logic evaluated?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:44) Jesus is God, the Father is in HIm, as he is in the FAther, they are the same person, there isnt a time they were ever seperated.
That's sillier than believing in the trinity, D.
The Father IS the Son and the Son IS the Father. God prayed to Himself. God is His own Priest. God died but then raised Himself from that death. How rich! It's too bad your buddy Paul bailed. I was looking forward to that debate as much as I'm enjoying the one with Francis.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,05:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,11:37) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,05:29) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2010,06:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 20 2010,17:06) Quote But Keith and SF were implying that Titus 2:13 taught that Jesus was God Almighty Himself, and I'm sure you don't think it means Jesus is the only UNbegotten God, do you?
When did I imply this? Since im super late in finding this thread, can you tell me from what thread did i imply this? It must have been that because it seems you directed the arguement towards me since you “bumped” me.
Hey D,I honestly can't remember what you said that prompted me to start this thread, but I'm thinking you must have quoted this scripture as some kind of proof that Jesus is God.
Look at the date I posted it. Maybe you can backtrack the many conversations we were having back then.
If I have misspoken, and you DON'T think Jesus is God Almighty, then I apologize and would like you to clear the air about that right now.
Because I've always understood you to think Jesus was THE GOD along with the Father.peace and love,
mike
Its very clear that i believe Jesus is God.What I dont get, or dont remember is the “why” you started this thread, maybe i had more to what i said before.
And I dont believe Jesus is God “along” or “beside” or “coequal” with the Father.
Jesus is God, the Father is in HIm, as he is in the FAther, they are the same person, there isnt a time they were ever seperated.
Hi SF,John 17:21 That they all may be one(in spirit); as thou, Father(HolySpirit), art in me(John 1:33-34),
and I in thee(1Pt.1:11), that they also may be one in us(John 14:23): that the world may believe that thou
hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may
know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.When God's spirit becomes resident in us (Eph4:4-6),
does that mean we also (according to SF) become God (John 1:33-34)?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J
WHO IS TALKING TO YOU?
Hi SF,What's the matter, Dennison?
Don't you want your logic evaluated?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,
maybe you havent gotten the memo,
I find you to be annoying.and you like to jump into every conversation, or post that is directed to someone else.
Ed J, let me make it simple for you.
Your so lost, that is no point for me to communicate with you, becuase no matter what “we” say, you will not listen.You are a king in your own castle of english gemtaria.
You worship your own “discovery”you should Rely on Christ not math.
Dont go on a rampage to SEEK a CONFLICT with me.
because thats ALL you doing.you want attention, you WANT someone to debate you.
WHen its NONESENSE to do such a thing with you and a waste of time.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,11:46)
Your so lost, that is no point for me to communicate with you, becuase no matter what “we” say, you will not listen.
Hi SF,Is this not a description of yourself instead?
Matt.18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,05:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:40)
So Jesus is a God but not the God??
Its a simple, direct answer MIke, thats all im looking for.
Can't you read, man? Kathi, could you tell D what I very clearly and emphatically said as my answer to his question?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:40)
What difference does your belief have with Greek mythology that believes in many gods, and one supreme God such as Zues.
D, do you not know what “el”, “theos” or “god” means? It means “ruler” or “judge” or “mighty one”. Unlike Greek mythology, we do not have a god who controls the wind and another who controls the oceans and another responsible for bringing the rain, and another who controls the sun, etc. We have ONE GOD in charge of all of that and everything else.D, do you understand this so far?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:40)
I believe that the scriptures express, that there is only One God.
So then do you just close your eyes and skim over the 100's of scriptures that refer to someone other than YHVH as ” a god”? Scriptures speak of many gods, D. Just like today we have many “rulers” and many “judges” and many “mighty ones”. You have to be smart enough to know that just because Judge Judy is “a judge” does not mean she is our ONE TRUE JUDGE.Psalm 136:2 NIV
Give thanks to the God of gods. His love endures forever.What does “God of gods” even mean if there is literally only one who is called “god”? Wise up, sonny!
mike
Mike,
My only purpose of asking that question is to have it very clear what yuo believe. When i asked the same question to others, they refuse to answer.Quote D, do you not know what “el”, “theos” or “god” means? It means “ruler” or “judge” or “mighty one”. Unlike Greek mythology, we do not have a god who controls the wind and another who controls the oceans and another responsible for bringing the rain, and another who controls the sun, etc. We have ONE GOD in charge of all of that and everything else.
But you also CLAIM: that God does all these thigns THROUGH Jesus. wouldnt that be the SAME thing? you also claim that Satan is a god of an age? woudlnt that also be the same?Zues was the RULER of them all. isnt your theology alike?
Quote So then do you just close your eyes and skim over the 100's of scriptures that refer to someone other than YHVH as ” a god”? Scriptures speak of many gods, D. Just like today we have many “rulers” and many “judges” and many “mighty ones”. You have to be smart enough to know that just because Judge Judy is “a judge” does not mean she is our ONE TRUE JUDGE.
EXACTLY! Judge Judy though she is called a “judge” but is not our true Judge.
But Christ is! that is my point exactly, that scriptures speak of many gods, but some in reference to pagan beliefs, others to emperors and kings, and even a ruler of something.but Jesus is beyond all of that, so how can we dismiss the deity of Christ as being God? all you did was just masked 100% of scripture as being symbolic and thats what you did with Jesus.
When we know from Cover to cover, Jesus has been talked about all over the bible yet you dismiss him as God, as just as God #2, or just the second most powerful being.Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,05:52) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,11:46)
Your so lost, that is no point for me to communicate with you, becuase no matter what “we” say, you will not listen.
Hi SF,Is this not a description of yourself instead?
Matt.18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
lol Ed J,
I knew you would say that.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
1. They did see Him as Jesus. Scriptures states that No man has ever seen God himself, but the Son has.
Listen to yourself here. No man has ever seen God, but many men DID SEE GOD……..”as Jesus”. The scripture don't say, “No man has ever seen God………..as a Spirit”. They say that no man has ever seen God…………PERIOD. So if men saw Jesus, then Jesus isn't God, D. It's really that simple, isn't it?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
You cant make claims and theologies and doctrine based on what scriptures “doesnt say”. I thought francis already correted you on this in the debate about creeds?
I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but it doesn't really matter. Just keep watching that debate D. It's about to get interesting. Look for the post I'm going to do tonight. I let things get too spread out instead of sticking to the ONE point in question, but I'm going to fix that.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
2. I didnt Limit God in anyway, its a fact that the NT doesnt state that God will return or does it?
I asked why you have to limit the scriptures that say God is coming ONLY to the NT? I didn't say anything about “limiting God”. Is Hebrews 10:37 in the NT, D? 36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37 For,
“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”First, it's easy to see Paul is talking about GOD based on verse 36. And these are the OT scriptures he was referring to:
Isaiah 26:21
21 See, YHVH is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.Isaiah 40:10
See, the Sovereign YHVH comes with power, and he rules with a mighty arm. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him.Do you see how Isaiah 40:10 talks about the “reward being with Jehovah” when He comes? Just like Revelation 22:12, right?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
4. So God gave himself up according to your theolgoy? did he also redeem the people? did he cast away their sin?
I thought Jesus is the one who “did” all these things literally?
No, God's Christ gave himself up. Just like the scripture says, D. We wait for the glorious manifestation of two beings. Our great God. And His Christ, who gave himself up. And apart from YHVH, there is no Redeemer or Savior. So yes, YHVH is the One who redeemed us THROUGH His SERVANT Jesus Christ. And yes, YHVH is the One who has cast our sins as far as the east is from the west. Although, YHVH did AUTHORIZE Jesus to also forgive sins on earth……which authorization Jesus passed along to his disciples.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
And so many scriptures always includes Lord Jesus and the Father always togethor. and if their actions are used interchangably than that can only mean they come from the same person.
And for over 3 years, the apostles and Jesus were together doing the same things. Their actions were also interchangeable. Were the apostles actually Jesus………….and therefore also God?Listen to how you talk D. You say “THEIR” actions. You say “Jesus AND the Father”. But then you say THEY are the same person. Wow. There is no “THEY” in referrence to only ONE person. It would be “HE”.
mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,19:01) Mike,
In the End its clear that Titus 2:13 speaks of Christ solely, unless you want to ADD what scripture doesnt say, which is a fallacy.
So the 50+ Trinitarian scholars who translated the CEV are wrong and you're right, D?And what about the other part of the post? Since we already know from YHVH that Jesus would be called “mighty god”, then what IF you're right? Does that make it a 100% irrefutable “Jesus is God Almighty” scripture?
mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,11:55)
But you also CLAIM: that God does all these thigns THROUGH Jesus. wouldnt that be the SAME thing? you also claim that Satan is a god of an age? woudlnt that also be the same? Zues was the RULER of them all. isnt your theology alike?
D, I've only showed you what the scriptures say. What do you want from me? Many gods are mentioned in the scriptures. Only ONE of the is the God of gods. Jesus is NOT that ONE………but His Son.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,11:55)
but Jesus is beyond all of that, so how can we dismiss the deity of Christ as being God? all you did was just masked 100% of scripture as being symbolic and thats what you did with Jesus.
When we know from Cover to cover, Jesus has been talked about all over the bible yet you dismiss him as God, as just as God #2, or just the second most powerful being.
And which scriptures taught you that Jesus is the God he is the Son of? He calls his God “my God”, D. He says that our God is also his God. That means if Jesus is our God, then Jesus is also his own God. Come on man. Where's the common sense our ONLY TRUE GOD YHVH gave you?mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 22 2010,11:37) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2010,05:29) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2010,06:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 20 2010,17:06) Quote But Keith and SF were implying that Titus 2:13 taught that Jesus was God Almighty Himself, and I'm sure you don't think it means Jesus is the only UNbegotten God, do you?
When did I imply this? Since im super late in finding this thread, can you tell me from what thread did i imply this? It must have been that because it seems you directed the arguement towards me since you “bumped” me.
Hey D,I honestly can't remember what you said that prompted me to start this thread, but I'm thinking you must have quoted this scripture as some kind of proof that Jesus is God.
Look at the date I posted it. Maybe you can backtrack the many conversations we were having back then.
If I have misspoken, and you DON'T think Jesus is God Almighty, then I apologize and would like you to clear the air about that right now.
Because I've always understood you to think Jesus was THE GOD along with the Father.peace and love,
mike
Its very clear that i believe Jesus is God.What I dont get, or dont remember is the “why” you started this thread, maybe i had more to what i said before.
And I dont believe Jesus is God “along” or “beside” or “coequal” with the Father.
Jesus is God, the Father is in HIm, as he is in the FAther, they are the same person, there isnt a time they were ever seperated.
Hi SF,John 17:21 That they all may be one(in spirit); as thou, Father(HolySpirit), art in me(John 1:33-34),
and I in thee(1Pt.1:11), that they also may be one in us(John 14:23): that the world may believe that thou
hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may
know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.When God's spirit becomes resident in us (Eph4:4-6),
does that mean we also (according to SF) become God (John 1:33-34)?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J
WHO IS TALKING TO YOU?
Why don't you answer Ed's question Dennison?SF
why would God say that he has a son ,when as you say all along it was himself,looks like a spy, it is me no it is me me ,and no one goes to find it out ha ha , God does not joke ones,
so he says he has a son ,then he has a son if you like it or not is irelevant,but God as a name so has is his son ,so are all angels,just has we men have a name,if you can not figure that out ,
you have been brain washed by your religion or groupe.do i have to tell you how names came to be the way they are today??
God son is Jesus christ,also known as THE WORD OF GOD,also known as THE KING OF KINGS AND THE ARM,AND SON OF MAN,..and other tittles……..
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,06:55) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
1. They did see Him as Jesus. Scriptures states that No man has ever seen God himself, but the Son has.
Listen to yourself here. No man has ever seen God, but many men DID SEE GOD……..”as Jesus”. The scripture don't say, “No man has ever seen God………..as a Spirit”. They say that no man has ever seen God…………PERIOD. So if men saw Jesus, then Jesus isn't God, D. It's really that simple, isn't it?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
You cant make claims and theologies and doctrine based on what scriptures “doesnt say”. I thought francis already correted you on this in the debate about creeds?
I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but it doesn't really matter. Just keep watching that debate D. It's about to get interesting. Look for the post I'm going to do tonight. I let things get too spread out instead of sticking to the ONE point in question, but I'm going to fix that.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
2. I didnt Limit God in anyway, its a fact that the NT doesnt state that God will return or does it?
I asked why you have to limit the scriptures that say God is coming ONLY to the NT? I didn't say anything about “limiting God”. Is Hebrews 10:37 in the NT, D? 36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37 For,
“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”First, it's easy to see Paul is talking about GOD based on verse 36. And these are the OT scriptures he was referring to:
Isaiah 26:21
21 See, YHVH is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.Isaiah 40:10
See, the Sovereign YHVH comes with power, and he rules with a mighty arm. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him.Do you see how Isaiah 40:10 talks about the “reward being with Jehovah” when He comes? Just like Revelation 22:12, right?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
4. So God gave himself up according to your theolgoy? did he also redeem the people? did he cast away their sin?
I thought Jesus is the one who “did” all these things literally?
No, God's Christ gave himself up. Just like the scripture says, D. We wait for the glorious manifestation of two beings. Our great God. And His Christ, who gave himself up. And apart from YHVH, there is no Redeemer or Savior. So yes, YHVH is the One who redeemed us THROUGH His SERVANT Jesus Christ. And yes, YHVH is the One who has cast our sins as far as the east is from the west. Although, YHVH did AUTHORIZE Jesus to also forgive sins on earth……which authorization Jesus passed along to his disciples.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57)
And so many scriptures always includes Lord Jesus and the Father always togethor. and if their actions are used interchangably than that can only mean they come from the same person.
And for over 3 years, the apostles and Jesus were together doing the same things. Their actions were also interchangeable. Were the apostles actually Jesus………….and therefore also God?Listen to how you talk D. You say “THEIR” actions. You say “Jesus AND the Father”. But then you say THEY are the same person. Wow. There is no “THEY” in referrence to only ONE person. It would be “HE”.
mike
Quote Listen to yourself here. No man has ever seen God, but many men DID SEE GOD……..”as Jesus”. The scripture don't say, “No man has ever seen God………..as a Spirit”. They say that no man has ever seen God…………PERIOD. So if men saw Jesus, then Jesus isn't God, D. It's really that simple, isn't it?
Jesus himself quotes that no one has seen the LIGHT, but it is he that dwells in the Light, in other words also, he is the IMAGE of the invisible God.Quote I asked why you have to limit the scriptures that say God is coming ONLY to the NT? I didn't say anything about “limiting God”. Is Hebrews 10:37 in the NT, D?
What you mean than explain?Quote Do you see how Isaiah 40:10 talks about the “reward being with Jehovah” when He comes? Just like Revelation 22:12, right?
Doesnt i say THE same THING about Jesus?Quote No, God's Christ gave himself up. Just like the scripture says, D. We wait for the glorious manifestation of two beings. Our great God. And His Christ, who gave himself up. And apart from YHVH, there is no Redeemer or Savior. So yes, YHVH is the One who redeemed us THROUGH His SERVANT Jesus Christ. And yes, YHVH is the One who has cast our sins as far as the east is from the west. Although, YHVH did AUTHORIZE Jesus to also forgive sins on earth……which authorization Jesus passed along to his disciples.
Wow th
ats strange… Lets not lose the focus here. because in the very first response you again claim that no one has EVER seen God. so Titus is clearly speaking of Jesus and its his return that is mostly mentioned of in the NT correct?Quote And for over 3 years, the apostles and Jesus were together doing the same things. Their actions were also interchangeable. Were the apostles actually Jesus………….and therefore also God?
Actually none of them did what Jesus did (bore our sins), and did according to his Will. Actually they need Jesus as the access to do the Father will.Quote Listen to how you talk D. You say “THEIR” actions. You say “Jesus AND the Father”. But then you say THEY are the same person. Wow. There is no “THEY” in referrence to only ONE person. It would be “HE”.
Mike, im speaking about “them” as you see it, because its your theology that concerns me. its like say Simplyforgiven and Dennison are the same person, dont worry they are same person.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2010,07:55) SF why would God say that he has a son ,when as you say all along it was himself,looks like a spy, it is me no it is me me ,and no one goes to find it out ha ha , God does not joke ones,
so he says he has a son ,then he has a son if you like it or not is irelevant,but God as a name so has is his son ,so are all angels,just has we men have a name,if you can not figure that out ,
you have been brain washed by your religion or groupe.do i have to tell you how names came to be the way they are today??
God son is Jesus christ,also known as THE WORD OF GOD,also known as THE KING OF KINGS AND THE ARM,AND SON OF MAN,..and other tittles……..
Pierre
Terrarica:
Does this count as lying?
You IMPLY that I said:
1. that Jesus is a spy
2. that God was making Jokes
3. that im trying to be funny
4. you imply that i have a group, (when i dont)you imply also that because Jesus is the Son of God, than we all are sons of God?
Tell me, what IS a Son of God?
is a SINNER a Son of God?
who's the sinners Father?Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 19 2010,03:19) A thought: Who can forgive sin but God alone? Did Jesus forgive us our sin? TK
TKwho give his live ?? to whom God give all powers needed to finish the reconciliation of all creation to God ??
only one name Jesus Christ.
Pierre
SF
you say;;Terrarica:
Does this count as lying?
You IMPLY that I said:
1. that Jesus is a spy
2. that God was making Jokes
3. that im trying to be funny
4. you imply that i have a group, (when i dont)you imply also that because Jesus is the Son of God, than we all are sons of God?
Tell me, what IS a Son of God?
is a SINNER a Son of God?
who's the sinners Father?Edited by SimplyForgiven on Dec. 25 2010,01:24
============================================
1)wen you say Jesus is God then Jesus is hiding is real nature just like a spy does ,no??
2) if you do not believe in scriptures and find to explain what there is no need to explain then you make a joker out of God.because you do no pay glory to his word.
3)2. I didn't Limit God in anyway, its a fact that the NT doesn't state that God will return or does it?Funny
4) the fact that you are believing certain ideas it will classify with or with.. but not with the truth of God.(you are identifying you with WJ)
you imply also that because Jesus is the Son of God, than we all are sons of God?
Tell me, what IS a Son of God? WE ALL ARE SONS OF GOD BUT WE ALL DO NOT THE WILL HAS SONS,
is a SINNER a Son of God? WE ALL ARE SONS ,BUT THERE IS A TIME WEN GOD WILL DECLIEN THE WICKET STATUS OF SON END DESTROYE HIM.
who's the sinners Father? SATAN IS HE IS THE ORIGIN OF REBELION,HE PUT IT ON HIMSELF ,GOD DID NOT CREATED HIM THIS WAY,JUST LIKE THE SONS WHO DO NOT OBEY GOD S WILL ,THEY PUT IT ON THERE OWN HEADS ,THEY ARE NOT FORCED.Pierre
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 24 2010,18:24) Terrarica: Tell me, what IS a Son of God?
is a SINNER a Son of God?
who's the sinners Father?
Hi Dennison,Do you still sin?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 24 2010,18:21)
Jesus himself quotes that no one has seen the LIGHT, but it is he that dwells in the Light, in other words also, he is the IMAGE of the invisible God.
What scripture about Light are you referring to, please. And if Jesus is the VISIBLE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, then he is not that invisible God he is the image OF.Quote (mikeboll @ 1) I asked why you have to limit the scriptures that say God is coming ONLY to the NT? I didn't say anything about “limiting God”. Is Hebrews 10:37 in the NT, D? Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 24 2010,18:21)
What you mean than explain?
D, you said, “There are no NT scriptures that say God is coming”. First of all, there are. Second of all, WHY MUST YOU LIMIT THE SEARCH TO ONLY THE NT? Why don't you say, “There are no BIBLE scriptures that say God is coming”? Do you now get my point? Why use the letters “NT” in your question? Why LIMIT it to the “NT” only? Isn't the Bible AS A WHOLE the Word of God? It's not just the “NT” is it? Then why limit your question to only the “NT”? NOW do you get my point?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 24 2010,18:21)
Wow thats strange… Lets not lose the focus here. because in the very first response you again claim that no one has EVER seen God. so Titus is clearly speaking of Jesus and its his return that is mostly mentioned of in the NT correct?
And just because no man HAS ever seen God does not mean no man WILL ever see God, right?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 24 2010,18:21)
Mike, im speaking about “them” as you see it, because its your theology that concerns me.
NO, you say “them” and “they” because the scriptures also say “them” and “they”.Listen D, we are already discussing your “Jesus is the Father” lunacy in another thread. We've branched off into that here, too. This thread is supposed to be about the translation of Titus 2:13.
Is this one scripture absolute positive proof that Jesus is God? No. And it doesn't really matter if you say it is, because in order to make that claim, you must individually refute everything I've said about this scripture from the beginning of this thread. You CAN'T refute that Jesus, who is NOT God Almighty, would be called “mighty god”. You CAN'T refute that the Greek words could refer to two different persons.
So while you can HOPE that this scripture PROVES Jesus is God……it doesn't. The 50+ trinitarian translators of the CEV can see that……….why can't you?
peace and love,
mikeHi D,
I forgot this one.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2010,06:55) Do you see how Isaiah 40:10 talks about the “reward being with Jehovah” when He comes? Just like Revelation 22:12, right? Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 21 2010,18:57) Doesnt it say THE same THING about Jesus?
Yes it does, but with a twist:John 17 NIV
1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.First, the gifts and rewards that Jesus can give are gifts and rewards that HIS FATHER GRANTED him permission and authority to give us.
Second, the rest of this passage should make it abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain that Jesus is not the Father he is praying to, nor the One he calls “the only true God” while referring to himself as someone other than and lessor to that One.
mike
SF
what do you read in scriptures ,is that only Adam perfect sinless live was lost ,Eve being taken from Adam ,
so only one live has to be saved;this is what Paul saying wen he says TROUGH ONE MAN SIN CAME IN TO THE WORLD AND TROUGH ONE MAN JESUS THE RECONCILIATION WITH GOD TROUGH HIS SACRIFICE;LIVE FOR LIVE.
but the live for live is now paid right ;?yes but it does not include all our sins ;Jesus sacrifice only include payments for our lives.
now ,we are considered unwilling sinners,but since Christ has become a high priest of the new Jerusalem ,God allow us all to run to the city of refuge ,what is the heavenly Jerusalem,and stay there until the high priest dies ,but Christ will never die ,so we will forever be under Christ protection as long WE stay in his city his jurisdiction.
so now Christ as become our savior from sin ,this is why Christ sacrifice is the GRACE OF GOD,
and anyone after receiving that knowledge if he keep sinning he would show in time to walk away from Christ jurisdiction by rejecting Christ and all what he stand for and so lose his live but it will be on is own head the responsibility.
so this is how we are saved,and why we have to work toward perfection so to become holy has God is by doing so we guarantee our passage with Christ no matter if we die.
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