Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour!

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2011,21:42)

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:13) Both the Father and the Son are the one savior, Kathi, I don't understand your English here.  Could you try again?  Hint:  When intelligent people speak of TWO persons in English, they use a PLURAL word to describe them, such as “saviors”.   For example:  Mike and Kathi are MEMBERS of HN.   Not:  Mike and Kathi are MEMBER of HN. Now you try one!  http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys….mg] Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:13) Salvation belongs to them as two persons…….. And since they are TWO persons, they are: A.  Saviors? B. A Savior? Use what you've just learned, Kathi.

Mike,
The Father and the Son together acted in unity as the one savior. Salvation belongs to both and they are one.

Think about the American Army. One could say that if the American Army saved some foreign country from the attacks of another foreign country. The American Army would be the savior. The American Army is made up of countless soldiers but they, collectively as a compound unity, are the savior. They are not the saviors. The American Army is the savior of that country.

I have already been through this with you. A compound unity is expressed with singular pronouns and therefore, that would also mean that a compound unity is expressed in singular nouns.

See if you can name some compound unities Mike. You need to get familiar with the idea.

The one Bible is the name of the compound unity of many books.
We refer to those many books as the Bible, not the Bibles Mike.

The one Savior is the name of the compound unity of two persons.

Kathi

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Mike,
you asked:

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What scripture tells you the Son “allowed” his Father's will to be done?

Do you think the Son had no choice but to do the will of the Father? Do you think that the Son was just the Father's puppet?

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When does scripture say the Father “submitted” to his Son?

“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

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Kathi, what you speak is blasphemy against our God. Don't do that please.

That blasphemy stuff is a serious accusation Mike. You should read Job and what his friends are so bold to say and how God rebukes them for their arrogance and ignorance.

The Father and the Son submitting to one another is a strength, not a weakness.

Kathi

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,21:31)

I have already been through this with you.  A compound unity is expressed with singular pronouns and therefore, that would also mean that a compound unity is expressed in singular nouns.

Really?

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The American Army is made up of countless soldiers but they, collectively as a compound unity, are the savior.  They are not the saviors.

Then why are you saying “THEY” instead of “HE”?  Are “compound unities” referred to with SINGULAR pronouns only when it is convenient for your doctrine?  You claim that it makes perfect sense that Jesus AND the Father are together called a “HE”.  But in your own explanation about the American Army, your common sense kicked in without you thinking about it, and you NATURALLY referred to MORE THAN ONE soldier as a “THEY”, and NOT a “HE”.

Kathi, you're not fooling anyone here but yourself.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,21:44)

Do you think the Son had no choice but to do the will of the Father?

I want to know of a scripture where Jesus ALLOWED his Father's will to be done.  As if JESUS had the FINAL say in the matter, and chose to let his Father do something.

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“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

Granting a REQUEST from one of His servants is not the same as the Father “submitting” to that servant, is it?  I'm waiting for you to show scriptures where it is clear that Jesus is the boss, and the Father is taking orders from him.  Because that is what you seem to have claimed.  Like sometimes the Father gets His way, and other times, Jesus is in control.  Where are the scriptures that teach this?

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That blasphemy stuff is a serious accusation Mike.

Then take it seriously, Kathi.  I don't say it lightly.  You are encouraging people to worship the creation.  Blasphemy!  You are teaching that our God NEEDS one of His creations in order to be Almighty.  Blasphemy!  You are teaching that our God was helpless to save us if not for a being He Himself created.  Blasphemy!  You teach that a created being is EQUAL to our God, when He asks, “WHO is my equal?”  Blasphemy!

Kathi, I know that in your head, you think you are pleasing God and His Servant Jesus with these teachings.

But the man who claimed to have killed Saul thought David would be pleased with him.  How did things work out for that man?

Come out of her my friend,
mike

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)

“But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4

Hi Keith, Jack and Kathi:

Nehemiah 9:27
Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.
How is this scripture true if your scripture is literal? Who are the “saviours” that are mentioned?

Isaiah 19:20
It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them.
How about this one? And who is the savior this one speaks of?

peace,
mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2011,15:37)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55) “But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4 Hi Keith, Jack and Kathi: Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. How is this scripture true if your scripture is literal?  Who are the “saviours” that are mentioned? Isaiah 19:20 It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them. How about this one?  And who is the savior this one speaks of? peace, mike

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(55)Satan  =  “No God”(55) I the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, thou shalt know no god(ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63) but me(YHVH=63): for there is no savior beside me. (Hosea 13:4)

Hi Mike,

This “Kinda” shoots down your, Jesus is (according to Mike) a god, theory; right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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edj

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Mike, The Father and the Son together acted in unity as the one savior.  Salvation belongs to both and they are one.

God the ruler over all,Christ his son ,100000000 angels the Army,human believers and prophets #? (are the earthly active members)

all are part of God will and so participant in being the saviors of creation,(some bigger parts than others)All guided by the WILL of God (holy spirit )

SO THERE IS ONLY ONE SAVIOR “GOD”

Pierre

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2011,08:46)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 23 2011,12:17) Bump for all the “anti-Jesus is God and Savior” crowd. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 27 2011,13:13) Can you show me where the scriptures teach there is more than “ONE Savior”? Did the Apostles ever say “OUR Saviors”? WJ Well is there more than “One Savior” mentioned in the NT scriptures? WJ Well, the Father is mentioned.  And also His Son.  So there are TWO of them right there.

Mike

Yes there are two persons who are our “One Savior”.

Mike, is the Father our “Savior” without Jesus?

Is the Father our God without Jesus?

You can't have one without the other!

Like I said Mike where is the scripture where the Apostles say we have more than one Savior or “2 Saviors”?

WJ

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,11:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2011,08:46) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 23 2011,12:17) Bump for all the “anti-Jesus is God and Savior” crowd. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 27 2011,13:13) Can you show me where the scriptures teach there is more than “ONE Savior”? Did the Apostles ever say “OUR Saviors”? WJ Well is there more than “One Savior” mentioned in the NT scriptures? WJ Well, the Father is mentioned.  And also His Son.  So there are TWO of them right there. Mike Yes there are two persons who are our “One Savior”. Mike, is the Father our “Savior” without Jesus? Is the Father our God without Jesus? You can't have one without the other! Like I said Mike where is the scripture where the Apostles say we have more than one Savior or “2 Saviors”? WJ

WJ

you got it wrong;Is the Father our God without Jesus?

                      Mike, is the Father our “Savior” without Jesus?
                      Yes there are two persons who are our “One Savior”.

this is the true way;

nothing is anything with out the father ,because he is the only one that do not need any of the others,all glory goes to God

Ps 8:4 what is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him?
Ps 8:5 You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings
and crowned him with glory and honor.

Ps 8:6 You made him ruler over the works of your hands;
you put everything under his feet:

Mt 9:6 But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.

But wisdom is proved right by her actions.”
Mt 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

this is so ,and truth,all remain in God alone our only and glorious savior
and honor to all participants

Pierre

[Worshipping Jesus]

Peirre

Can you be saved apart from Jesus?

Can you have God the Father without Jesus?

WJ

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47)

Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ

WJ

that is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ??
we can not ,this would be similar to ask your parents why did you make me ,

God as done his will as he sees fit it is not to us to interrogate and then take conclusion that God depend of his own creation

just think if God would have used another way ,would it have changed your discussion ? no, you would go in and interrogate the same ,

there is only one who does not need any other this should solve all questions,ONE SAVIOR=GOD THE FATHER OF ALL

Pierre

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47) Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ WJ that is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ?? we can not ,this would be similar to ask your parents why did you make me , God as done his will as he sees fit it is not to us to interrogate and then take conclusion that God depend of his own creation just think if God would have used another way ,would it have changed your discussion ? no, you would go in and interrogate the same , there is only one who does not need any other this should solve all questions,ONE SAVIOR=GOD THE FATHER OF ALL Pierre

Thanks for your non answer!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47) Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ there is only one who does not need any other this should solve all questions,ONE SAVIOR=GOD THE FATHER OF ALL

Peirre

So Jesus is not “your Savior”?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47) Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ WJ that is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ??

Peirre

What is to judge? They are simple yes or no questions.

Can you be saved apart from Jesus?

Can you have God the Father without Jesus?

WJ

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,09:26)

Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,17:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47) Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ WJ that is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ?? Peirre What is to judge? They are simple yes or no questions. Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ

Keith,

Pierre is being evasive to his own damnation. He ought to confess outright or deny outright that Jesus is his Savior.

Jack

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 26 2011,17:35)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,09:26) Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,17:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47) Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ WJ that is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ?? Peirre What is to judge? They are simple yes or no questions. Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ Keith, Pierre is being evasive to his own damnation. He ought to confess outright or deny outright that Jesus is his Savior. Jack

Jack

To be honest I wonder if Jesus is his Savior! I wonder if he even knows or has fellowship with Jesus!

WJ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,23:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2011,15:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55) “But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4 Hi Keith, Jack and Kathi: Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. How is this scripture true if your scripture is literal?  Who are the “saviours” that are mentioned? Isaiah 19:20 It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them. How about this one?  And who is the savior this one speaks of? peace, mike Quote                          (55)Satan  =  “No God”(55) I the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, thou shalt know no god(ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63) but me(YHVH=63): for there is no savior beside me. (Hosea 13:4) Hi Mike, This “Kinda” shoots down your, Jesus is (according to Mike) a god, theory; right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Pay attention, sonny.

If I can ever get any of these three, OR EVEN YOU, to answer the post of mine that you quoted, you'll begin to learn some things.

Perhaps YOU can tell me who these “saviors” were in these two scriptures, Ed?

Can you?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 26 2011,11:58)

Mike Yes there are two persons who are our “One Savior”.

Keith,

See my post to Kathi on this subject okay? Keith and Mike are MEMBERS of HN, not MEMBER of HN. Get it? TWO persons cannot be ONE savior in the real world. This can only happen in Bizzaro World, where YOU dwell.

Keith, why won't you answer my post about Nehemiah and Isaiah? Because you know where it will lead?

BUSTED!

Please answer it.

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,16:22)

Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,17:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47) Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ WJ that is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ?? we can not ,this would be similar to ask your parents why did you make me , God as done his will as he sees fit it is not to us to interrogate and then take conclusion that God depend of his own creation just think if God would have used another way ,would it have changed your discussion ? no, you would go in and interrogate the same , there is only one who does not need any other this should solve all questions,ONE SAVIOR=GOD THE FATHER OF ALL Pierre Thanks for your non answer! WJ

WJ

truth as never be you strong harm, and so you view all thing in the trinity view ,

since the trinity is wrong then everything you see would be wrong

you are free this still your world for now,

Pierre

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,16:24)

Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2011,17:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2011,15:47) Peirre Can you be saved apart from Jesus? Can you have God the Father without Jesus? WJ there is only one who does not need any other this should solve all questions,ONE SAVIOR=GOD THE FATHER OF ALL Peirre So Jesus is not “your Savior”? WJ

WJ

that is not the right question,because how can we judge the ways of God ??
we can not ,this would be similar to ask your parents why did you make me ,

God as done his will as he sees fit it is not to us to interrogate and then take conclusion that God depend of his own creation

just think if God would have used another way ,would it have changed your discussion ? no, you would go in and interrogate the same ,

there is only one who does not need any other this should solve all questions,ONE SAVIOR=GOD THE FATHER OF ALL

Pierre

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