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- June 5, 2009 at 5:44 am#132492bodhithartaParticipant
Quote (Cindy @ June 05 2009,10:55) Badhitharta! Wher do you get that the first day of the week is Friday? According to the Jewish which is God's Calander it is Sunday. The Scriptures say that Maria and Maria Magdalene went to the grave the first day of the week at dawn Sunday and Jesus had risen.
Math. 28:1 After the Sabbath (weekly Sabbath) , the first day of the week, at day at dawn, Maria Magdalene and the other Maria came to see the tomb.
That makes 3 days and 3 nights. You are wrong. What you are saying is not according to the Scripture in the King James Bible.
Peace and Love Irene
Did you read the scriptures I posted? Jesus was crucified on the preperation day of the weekly Sabbath Friday by Friday night he was in the tomb the women knew where he was placed and went home to keep the Sabbath and following the Sabbath came early in the morning of Sunday. There are no 3 nights or 3 days.Friday evening Sat morning Saturday Evening he was already risen sunday morning. How many days and nights is that?
June 5, 2009 at 5:53 am#132493bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Cindy @ June 05 2009,16:20) bodhitharta and WJ I read through the scriptures in my bible, and I think I know what confuses you.
Luk 23:52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.This sabbath was not the weekly sabbath, it was an annual sabbath, the first day of unleavened bread, see what it says in John's gospel.
Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Wednesday was passover, Thursday was the first day of unleavend bread, that's why the woman, after they saw were they laid him, went back to prepare the spices for the buriel, but then had to rest the next day, a high day.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.Then the next day, Friday, they had to besides their regular work, prepare for their weekly sabbath, no work was allowed to be done on any sabbath.
So, when they finally got to the grave on Sunday, very early, the tomb was empty.Georg
Mark 1541(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.
42And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
43Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
44And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
45And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.
46And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
47And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
Mark 16
1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Please understand that the scripture here says that the women followed this entire event.
They gave the body to Joseph, The women saw where he laid and when the sabbath was past they had went to the tomb early sunday morning. There are no 2 sabbaths here nor are there 2 preparation days. This was one continuous event. You are placing events in the situation that don't exist Jesus had already had the passover with his disciples and it wasn't the same day that he was captured.
June 5, 2009 at 6:07 am#132494bodhithartaParticipantLet me just make clear that it doesn't matter when you say he was crucified every scripture of the account deatails the event from tomb to not in tomb at about 1 1/2 days. The women saw where the body was laid went home for 1 sabbath and returned the first day of the week. Don't imagine what the scripture itself does not say.
June 5, 2009 at 6:13 am#132496bodhithartaParticipantThe phrase “high Sabbath” has however been identified by Dr. Dani ben Gigi of Hebrewworld.com, former professor of Hebrew Language at Arizona State University, as meaning specifically “Shabbat haGadol”, which is the weekly Sabbath preceding Passover each year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sabbath
We all know that Jesus was crucified the week of the passover that he celebrated with his disciples it was the fact that it was after the passover that made it special not that it was a different day than the weekly sabbath. 1 1/2 days is the truth
So what is the sign of Jonah? Jonah was not dead in the belly of the whale and Jesus said as Jonah was.
June 5, 2009 at 9:44 am#132508CindyParticipantYou are totally wrong. Jesus was in the grave, like Jonah was in the belly of the fish. Whether Jonah was dead or alive, is not the question here. What Scripture says that He was only 11/2 days in the grave? Wait a minute like Jonah was, not dead? You are kidding? When the Bible quotes Jonah, it is about the time that He was in the grave. Man Oh man!!!! If that what you are saying, what Bible do you read? I don't care what others Human say, in today's world most are wrong. That is why so many will follow the Anti-Christ. My Husband explained in John 19:31 you must not of read His post.
You have given no Scripture what you belief. But my Husband and I have. So if you want to follow a man, be my Guest, I will only follow Scripture, not no man, no matter what degree He has. That is their problem, they think they know it all.
We belonged to the W.W.C. of God and we kept all the Feast's of God. And we believed that Jesus was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights.
Irene
P.S. Meerkat gave you Scriptures too. He is right.June 5, 2009 at 7:05 pm#132546bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Cindy @ June 05 2009,21:44) You are totally wrong. Jesus was in the grave, like Jonah was in the belly of the fish. Whether Jonah was dead or alive, is not the question here. What Scripture says that He was only 11/2 days in the grave? Wait a minute like Jonah was, not dead? You are kidding? When the Bible quotes Jonah, it is about the time that He was in the grave. Man Oh man!!!! If that what you are saying, what Bible do you read? I don't care what others Human say, in today's world most are wrong. That is why so many will follow the Anti-Christ. My Husband explained in John 19:31 you must not of read His post.
You have given no Scripture what you belief. But my Husband and I have. So if you want to follow a man, be my Guest, I will only follow Scripture, not no man, no matter what degree He has. That is their problem, they think they know it all.
We belonged to the W.W.C. of God and we kept all the Feast's of God. And we believed that Jesus was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights.
Irene
P.S. Meerkat gave you Scriptures too. He is right.
Jonah 2
1Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,2And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
Is Jonah dead or alive in this scripture? Just like Jonah Jesus prayed in his affliction that God would save him too.
Jesus was not in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, the scripture shows that. It is not the sign of Jonah
plus who did Jesus give this sign to that they may misunderstand it till this day?
Matthew 16:3-5 (King James Version)
3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
Matthew 12:38-40 (King James Version)
38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
two times in matthew does he say this about Jonah but he is not speaking plainly to them for they were adulterous and wicked.
June 16, 2009 at 7:13 am#133685gollamudiParticipantHi all,
The Gospel and N.T narrations about the duration of Jesus being in the tomb are so much contradictory. I do believe they are the human interpretations and narrations from the oral stories developed by the Gospel writers after 50-65 years after their actual fulfillments. Therefore the duration varies significantly from 38 hours to 72 hours based on the Gospel you are reading. The earliest N.T writer Paul says Jesus rose from dead after three days. I believe this “after three days” is the phrase taken from the Jewish scriptures namely from the book of Hosea (6:1-2). We should not take all these narrations as literal and make ourselves put into trap of contradictions.Thanks and peace
AdamJune 16, 2009 at 10:03 am#133701CindyParticipantgollamudi
So what you are saying is this; because you think the bible has been altered over the years, we should make up our own minds what they mean?
If the bible is not truth, whom do you suggest we should believe has the truth?Georg
June 17, 2009 at 5:42 am#133811gollamudiParticipantHi Sis Irene,
I am not saying that our Bible not true. But I am trying to say that the books in the Bible were written by human beings like you and me who were led by their faith in the Lord God and Jesus. The sad thing is they were written decades of years after their actual fulfillments and that too by non-eye witnesses. No records or modern means of preserving the facts or records were available to them. So the writers could develop stories on historical Jesus based on the oral memories of the their contemporaries and based on their spiritual convictions in the light of Jewish scriptures. For example Luke says in 1:1-41 “Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed”
Nowhere he says that he was led by the spirit of God or inspired by God. What we impute inerrancy or inspiration to our books in the Bible can not be confirmed for sure.Therefore there is a possibility of human errors or bias based on the convictions of the writers. I hope you will also read Bible through Jewish eyes which is only the guideline for our being in the Biblical Monotheism of the Bible.
Thanks and love to you
AdamJune 18, 2009 at 12:34 am#133866bodhithartaParticipantQuote (gollamudi @ June 17 2009,17:42) Hi Sis Irene,
I am not saying that our Bible not true. But I am trying to say that the books in the Bible were written by human beings like you and me who were led by their faith in the Lord God and Jesus. The sad thing is they were written decades of years after their actual fulfillments and that too by non-eye witnesses. No records or modern means of preserving the facts or records were available to them. So the writers could develop stories on historical Jesus based on the oral memories of the their contemporaries and based on their spiritual convictions in the light of Jewish scriptures. For example Luke says in 1:1-41 “Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed”
Nowhere he says that he was led by the spirit of God or inspired by God. What we impute inerrancy or inspiration to our books in the Bible can not be confirmed for sure.Therefore there is a possibility of human errors or bias based on the convictions of the writers. I hope you will also read Bible through Jewish eyes which is only the guideline for our being in the Biblical Monotheism of the Bible.
Thanks and love to you
Adam
That is exactly why I said the Quran should be read because any Christian who seeks the truth will find it makes things clear.It is the word of God strictly from Judaism and its progression.
Islam was the original relationship of “Submission” to God Almighty as Abraham submitted to God and Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian but most don't believe.
(1) Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)(6) From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)September 22, 2010 at 3:29 am#217106seekingtruthParticipantJesus was in the heart of the earth for three days and 3 nights. We should ignore traditions and believe the whole of scriptures, while considering translation errors as well as culture misunderstandings. Jesus died near sundown on Wednesday, spent 72 hours dead during 2 annual sabbath days (Thur & Fri) and 1 weekly sabbath day (Sat), then was resurrected as it dawned toward the first day of the week (by Jewish reckoning a new day dawns as the sun sets).
I ran across this video that has a lot of good information straight from the bible and shows it better then I can.
http://inyourbible.podcastpeople.com/posts/36593
please check it out (sorry I do not know how to post it here)
My opinion – Wm
October 16, 2010 at 11:51 pm#220195barleyParticipantQuote (bodhitharta @ June 02 2009,07:50) Quote (meerkat @ June 02 2009,08:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 02 2009,08:39) Quote (Paladin @ June 02 2009,03:09) Jesus did not die on Friday, he died on Thursday. Actually there are two Sabbaths” under consideration, and they are referenced by Mathew's account. Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbatwn [sabbaths(pl)], as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Since Jesus was raised on the first day of the week, after TWO Sabbaths, one Saturday, and one Friday, it was Thursday on which he died.
According to the Law of Moses, the day following Passover (which is also the first day of the feast of unleavened bread) is also, always a Sabbath day of rest to be observed like the 7th day weekly Sabbath no matter what day of the week it falls on. So there are two Sabbaths referenced by the New Testament writers.
14th day = First one
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.The day FOLLOWING Passover [the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, is also a Sabbath of rest and feasting. It is to be observed as any other sabbath of the Lord.
15th day = second one
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.14th & 15th together
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. 17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. 18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:It was not the fact of “Sabbath” that was important, but rather the fact it was “Passover” that attracted Jesus to this time and this place. And the day following Passover is always a Sabbath of rest.
There was no 3 days and 3 nights nor was that the sign of Jonah that Jesus was referring to.Mark 15
39And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
40There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
41(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.
42And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
43Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
44And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
45And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.
46And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
47And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
Mark 16
1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
If you read carefully you will see that it was the preperation day for the sabbath and then after the sabbath they went to the tomb early on the first day of the week and he was already risen. The truth is he was only in the tomb during the sabbath.
The sigh of Jonah was not 3 days and 3 nights, I will tell you if you want.
Jesus says in Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.and John 2:19 seems to be clear that Jesus means that his body will not be raised before 3 days after his death
2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
How was Jonah for 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale? Was he dead or alive?
Jonah was dead in the belly of the sea animal, whatever it was.Jonah 2:1 says that Jonah prayed out of the fishes belly. He was not yet in the belly when he prayed.
from Jonah 2:5-6 indicate that Jonah was tied up in sea weed, he must have drowned before the fish swallowed him up to vomit him out three days and three nights later.
for Jesus Christ to have cited Jonah's experience as a forerunner of his own, Jonah had to be dead. Likewise, after the animal vomit him out onto the beach, God raised Jonah from the dead.
barley
October 17, 2010 at 12:21 am#220202terrariccaParticipantBarley
Jonah was dead in the belly of the sea animal, whatever it was.Jonah 2:1 says that Jonah prayed out of the fishes belly. He was not yet in the belly when he prayed.
from Jonah 2:5-6 indicate that Jonah was tied up in sea weed, he must have drowned before the fish swallowed him up to vomit him out three days and three nights later.
for Jesus Christ to have cited Jonah's experience as a forerunner of his own, Jonah had to be dead. Likewise, after the animal vomit him out onto the beach, God raised Jonah from the dead.
barley
IF WE COMPERE YOU WORDS TO SCRIPTURES ,DO YOU UNDERSTAND TRUTH OR JUST LIKE TO GIVE YOUR OPINION ON THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND??
Jonah’s Prayer (COULD A DEATH MAN PRAY?)
Jnh 2:1 From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the LORD his God.
Jnh 2:2 He said:
“In my distress I called to the LORD,
and he answered me.
From the depths of the grave I called for help,
and you listened to my cry.
Jnh 2:3 You hurled me into the deep,
into the very heart of the seas,
and the currents swirled about me;
all your waves and breakers
swept over me.
Jnh 2:4 I said, ‘I have been banished
from your sight;
yet I will look again
toward your holy temple.’
Jnh 2:5 The engulfing waters threatened me,
the deep surrounded me;
seaweed was wrapped around my head.
Jnh 2:6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down;
the earth beneath barred me in forever.
But you brought my life up from the pit,
O LORD my God.Jnh 2:7 “When my life was ebbing away,
I remembered you, LORD,
and my prayer rose to you,
to your holy temple.Jnh 2:8 “Those who cling to worthless idols
forfeit the grace that could be theirs.
Jnh 2:9 But I, with a song of thanksgiving,
will sacrifice to you.
What I have vowed I will make good.
Salvation comes from the LORD.”
Jnh 2:10 And the LORD commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry landAND THAT S WAS IT ,SO JONAH DID NOT DIE AFTER ALL ??
Pierre
October 22, 2010 at 1:04 am#220812seekingtruthParticipantQuote
“ Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3 For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4 Then I said, ‘I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.’
5 The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
7 “ When my soul fainted within me,
I remembered the LORD;
And my prayer went up to You,
Into Your holy temple.
8 “ Those who regard worthless idols
Forsake their own Mercy.
9 But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed.
Salvation is of the LORD.”10 So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.
Pierre,
I believe Jonah died otherwise verse 6 makes no sense.The YOUNG'S LITERAL TRANSLATION has it as “The earth, her bars [are] behind me to the age. And Thou bringest up from the pit my life, O Jehovah my God.” The pit in the OT was the holding place for souls (at least for those of us who believe Jesus was being literal with the Lazarus tale)
My opinion – Wm
October 22, 2010 at 2:06 am#220824BakerParticipantQuote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 22 2010,12:04) Quote
“ Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3 For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4 Then I said, ‘I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.’
5 The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
7 “ When my soul fainted within me,
I remembered the LORD;
And my prayer went up to You,
Into Your holy temple.
8 “ Those who regard worthless idols
Forsake their own Mercy.
9 But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed.
Salvation is of the LORD.”10 So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.
Pierre,
I believe Jonah died otherwise verse 6 makes no sense.The YOUNG'S LITERAL TRANSLATION has it as “The earth, her bars [are] behind me to the age. And Thou bringest up from the pit my life, O Jehovah my God.” The pit in the OT was the holding place for souls (at least for those of us who believe Jesus was being literal with the Lazarus tale)
My opinion – Wm
WmDid not Jonah go and prophecy after the fish spit him out?
Georg
October 22, 2010 at 2:15 am#220829seekingtruthParticipantGeorg,
Yes he did, just as Lazarus continued on for a time after his death.9Meanwhile a large crowd of Jews found out that Jesus was there and came, not only because of him but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. 10So the chief priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well,
My opinion – Wm
October 22, 2010 at 5:38 am#220845terrariccaParticipantQuote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 22 2010,19:04) Quote
“ Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3 For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4 Then I said, ‘I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.’
5 The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
7 “ When my soul fainted within me,
I remembered the LORD;
And my prayer went up to You,
Into Your holy temple.
8 “ Those who regard worthless idols
Forsake their own Mercy.
9 But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed.
Salvation is of the LORD.”10 So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.
Pierre,
I believe Jonah died otherwise verse 6 makes no sense.The YOUNG'S LITERAL TRANSLATION has it as “The earth, her bars [are] behind me to the age. And Thou bringest up from the pit my life, O Jehovah my God.” The pit in the OT was the holding place for souls (at least for those of us who believe Jesus was being literal with the Lazarus tale)
My opinion – Wm
STlooking it this way,Jonah was dead in a matter of speaking,
he knew that there was nothing that he could do to rescue himself from his condition,so he had two choices, one he let himself go down and die,
or second option, he pray to his God ,and leave the decision to him if he has to die or not.after his prayer the fish spit him out ,this was God decision not Jonahs .
but Jonah never died ,but to the edge of dead.
do not mix this story with another,Jesus is not Jonah or vise versa
Pierre
October 22, 2010 at 8:48 am#220869seekingtruthParticipantFirst let me remark on how much improved your english is.
I used to believe as you but while studying the scriptures I noticed verse 6 and how else could the earth of closed him in, since he was in the belly of a living creature, other then his soul desending into the pit.
As to comparing Jesus to Jonah, Jesus made the comparison, not me.
My opinion. Wm
October 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm#220899GeneBalthropParticipantQuote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 22 2010,14:29) Jesus was in the heart of the earth for three days and 3 nights. We should ignore traditions and believe the whole of scriptures, while considering translation errors as well as culture misunderstandings. Jesus died near sundown on Wednesday, spent 72 hours dead during 2 annual sabbath days (Thur & Fri) and 1 weekly sabbath day (Sat), then was resurrected as it dawned toward the first day of the week (by Jewish reckoning a new day dawns as the sun sets). I ran across this video that has a lot of good information straight from the bible and shows it better then I can.
http://inyourbible.podcastpeople.com/posts/36593
please check it out (sorry I do not know how to post it here)
My opinion – Wm
WM…………….You have the days right, i believe that fits the three days and three nights description and the reason Mary had to wait till Sunday morning to go to the tomb of Jesus.Point is was Jesus really dead? According to HIM HE WAS DEAD. Rev 1:18 I am he that lives , and WAS DEAD, an behold , i am alive forevermore……> Rev 2:8………….>……: These things saith the first and the last, which WAS DEAD, and is alive.
So i truly do believe Jesus was indeed dead for that time period. But false religion would have us believe He really was not dead, so who are you going to believe Jesus' own word or MYSTERY RELIGION> Scripture also says the dead know nothing for in the day they die their thoughts parish. Jesus was dead forever until the resurrection of his body and given life again by God the Father. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
October 22, 2010 at 3:19 pm#220906seekingtruthParticipantGene,
We'll have to agree to disagree. I take the scriptures literally unless the context requires it otherwise.Wm
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