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Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 25 2007,14:59)

t8, Just how many times was Jesus called “theos” in the Bible? And how many times was he called “theos” with the article?

I have wanted to know this myself and I suspect it is very low.

I made this point a while back and then mentioned that it is also low for other beings or persons by whom 'theos' is applied.

The point being, why is it any different when it is applied to Jesus as to others?

The only difference I can see is that is more about what you are the god of, which is the defining factor.

[Adam Pastor]

Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 25 2007,03:59)

t8, Just how many times was Jesus called “theos” in the Bible? And how many times was he called “theos” with the article?

kejonn,
Jesus is called theos with the article (ho) once!
That is Heb 1:8 which is a quote from Psa 45.6 in the Septuagint.

[Is 1:18]

How about John 20:28?

[Is 1:18]

…or Luke 19:31-32? (twice).

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Matthew 1:23….

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2 Thessalonians 1:12, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 2:1…..

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Isaiah, we know that Jesus Christ is the Lord, but he is not God.

In fact have you not read that God made Jesus both Lord and Christ? I know that you cannot truly believe this.

Anyway:

Knowing that Jesus is the Christ and the Lord, we can wipe out … Luke 19:31-32 & 2 Peter 2:1.

Knowing that the invisible God was/is in Christ who is visible, we can wipe out Matthew 1:23, Titus 2:13.

Knowing that God is mentioned along with the Lord Jesus Christ as well, we can wipe out 2 Thessalonians.

So that leaves John 20:28. That is one verse.

This topic is about “theos” and is currently “the theos”.

Lord doesn't count Isaiah, because we (who believe in one God the Father) believe that Jesus is Lord of God's creation by God's making.

There is one God the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ.
Not one God the Father, Son, Spirit and one Lord the Father, Son, Spirit.

See for yourself. If you respect Paul, you would at least listen to him.

Ephesians 4:4-6
4 there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

So again, that leaves John 20:28. That is one verse.

Any others Isaiah? Verses that say Jesus is the Theos that is.

[Adam Pastor]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 29 2007,06:40)

How about John 20:28?

OOPS! I stand corrected.
Jesus is indeed called ho theos for sure in John 20:28. I forgot ho was also used in this verse.

Hence, there are two verses for sure whereby the Greek words 'ho theos' are applied to Jesus the Messiah:
Heb 1.8 & John 20.28

And of course, this title when applied to Jesus, must be understood in a Messianic sense!

Thanks again.

[Not3in1]

Adam,
Good to hear from you again. I've visited your blog many times – good stuff there. Thank you for participating here when you have time; I've missed your voice.
Love,
Mandy

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OK, there are 2 verses.

Anymore?

[GeneBalthrop]

not3in1 …..> good to see you back, I missed you posts……> love to you and yours…….gene

[Not3in1]

Thank you brother Gene. I had intended on taking a longer break, but with this bad news that I have received (a diagnosis of a possible brain tumor), I decided to come back for prayer and to be honest……something to keep my mind busy while waiting for test results. So, thanks for missing me, bro – even though it's only been such a short while.

[Adam Pastor]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 30 2007,03:35)

Adam, Good to hear from you again.  I've visited your blog many times – good stuff there.  Thank you for participating here when you have time; I've missed your voice.   Love, Mandy

Thanks Mandy
Nowadays, I am more the listener than the talker!

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Quote (t8 @ Sep. 30 2007,15:21)

OK, there are 2 verses. Anymore?

How many mentions is enough to legitimise a doctrine in you mind t8? Quantify it for me.

How many times in scripture are we told that we must be born again?….

Do we need to be born again?

[Mr. Steve]

To all;

So there must be a “ho” before theos to mean God. Does it follow then that where there is no “ho” there is no God? So for Jesus to be God he must have a “ho” in front of his name?

So Jesus sometimes has a “ho” but God has many. I think I'll stick to English.

How hard can this be to understand? Does Jesus have a God? Does he worship him? You have to go to a seminary to twist this. How can a gospel that is so clearly written become so twisted by man?

Because man wants control. Man wants what he wants regardless of the truth. Constantine wanted a pluralistic God because of the wide variety of Godheads at the time he was in power so that's what he accept. He accepted and sanctioned a lie to please himself for political motives, not for a love of the truth.

The truth that is so abundantly apparent has been lost through centuries of lies.

The truth is every time Christ referred to God as his Father he made the inherent declaration contemporaneously that he was the Son of God which required that he was begotten by God.

The truth is every time he said in some fashion that he came down from heaven he made the inherent declaration contemporaneously that he was the Son of God in heaven with his father that sent him.

These truths leap off the pages in the gospel of John.

Indeed, he was the Son of God. That is the only reconcilable truth that is espoused in scripture regarding Christ. The trinity doesn't reconcile scripture it creates distance between us and our God because it darkens the understanding that God intended. Light and darkness do not mix.

Mr. Steve

[kejonn]

Interesting study. There are at least 400+ times the two words YHVH and Elohim are used in conjunction in the OT. That is “YHVH Elohim” or in modern translations, “LORD God”. Since “kurios” came to replace YHVH in the Septuagint and “kurios” is used for Lord in the NT, is Yeshua ever once called “kurios theos”? I think that would be the true test of his equality with the Father, and not the many instances of “theos” or even “ho theos” since Satan is called “ho theos” in 2 Cor. 4:4.

Put these two together, and Yeshua being called “theos” is more in line with the way “theos” is used of other people or spirits. That is, he can be called the god of the New Covenant (the new heaven and new earth) for all practical purposes, just as Satan is called the god of this world. Just as YHWH appointed Moses as “god” to Pharaoh. In other words, “the god” of something in this case is the one who rules, and we know that the Father has given all to Yeshua to rule. Yeshua can be our “god” because our allegiance belongs to him and not the “god” of this world, Satan. And we do not serve “two masters” because Yeshua strictly does the will of the Father while any other would not. That is, to serve Yeshua would be to serve and honor the Father, as the Father has apointed him heir to all things.

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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 30 2007,20:31)

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 30 2007,15:21) OK, there are 2 verses. Anymore? How many mentions is enough to legitimise a doctrine in you mind t8? Quantify it for me. How many times in scripture are we told that we must be born again?…. Do we need to be born again?

How many verses are men or sons of the most high, referred to as “theos” or “elohim”?

Makes you think doesn't it?

Jesus is YHWH because he is “theos” twice?
Sons of the Most High are not, because what?

Then consider what Jesus said when the Jews accused him of making himself out to be God or equal to God.

“I am the son of God”.

So if twice is good enough for you, then you need to teach that sons of the Most High are YHWH.

So it is clear that again, you need to reevaluate what you are teaching others.

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