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Quote (Colter @ Sep. 10 2013,01:01) Why retrace Israel’s tragic broken agreement anyway? Israel is merely a museum to a failed calling, they were cut off, the light was then given to others, and their house was left desolate. Maybe God did try to work with Ishmaels descendants seeing how Isaac’s descendants failed their calling not withstanding Mohamed’s misunderstanding of Jesus? 
After all, the apostles of Jesus themselves were often baffled by God incarnate in Jesus.Abrahams descendants failed to receive the promised Son whose coming was the very foundation of the faith of their ancestors.
Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?[j]“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
Colter
Exactly and we know this statement is not talking about the gentiles becauseA. Jesus said do not go to the gentiles
B. The gentiles were not a nationThe gentiles are a different case altogether
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 10 2013,04:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 09 2013,15:51) Boditharta. God has led the children of Isaac to the land of milk and honey. Not the children of Ishma'el.
God also sends his prophets to the children of Isaac,
not to the children of Ishma'el.The children of ishma'el is against the children of Isaac,
and so it is still today.Genesis 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, *mocking*.
Genesis 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, *Cast out this bondwoman and her son*: for the son of this bondwoman **shall not be heir with my son**, even with Isaac.
Genesis 21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
Genesis 21:12 And *God said* unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for **in Isaac shall thy seed be called**.
Genesis 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
Genesis 21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed%
The prophecy has alreay come true in the Law where it says:Deuteronomy 21:15-17
New International Version (NIV)
The Right of the Firstborn
15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.
Now go look and see the entire land is full with the descendents of th Firstborn of Abraham
“I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore”
If you don't count Ishmael this has not occured and it has as Coltr pointed out the Children of Israel broke their covenant and rejected their Messiah
Boditharta.You can try in any way to disannul what *God has said*.
What God has promised Ishma'el has been fulfilled.
They have become a great nation and thats that,nothing about the inheritance.God has not given up with israel;for the true olive branches will be grafted back to the tree.
God has blinded their minds for a period of time only.You are disregarding facts, waht I have posted previously.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,10:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 10 2013,04:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 09 2013,15:51) Boditharta. God has led the children of Isaac to the land of milk and honey. Not the children of Ishma'el.
God also sends his prophets to the children of Isaac,
not to the children of Ishma'el.The children of ishma'el is against the children of Isaac,
and so it is still today.Genesis 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, *mocking*.
Genesis 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, *Cast out this bondwoman and her son*: for the son of this bondwoman **shall not be heir with my son**, even with Isaac.
Genesis 21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
Genesis 21:12 And *God said* unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for **in Isaac shall thy seed be called**.
Genesis 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
Genesis 21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed%
The prophecy has alreay come true in the Law where it says:Deuteronomy 21:15-17
New International Version (NIV)
The Right of the Firstborn
15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.
Now go look and see the entire land is full with the descendents of th Firstborn of Abraham
“I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore”
If you don't count Ishmael this has not occured and it has as Coltr pointed out the Children of Israel broke their covenant and rejected their Messiah
Boditharta.You can try in any way to disannul what *God has said*.
What God has promised Ishma'el has been fulfilled.
They have become a great nation and thats that,nothing about the inheritance.God has not given up with israel;for the true olive branches will be grafted back to the tree.
God has blinded their minds for a period of time only.You are disregarding facts, waht I have posted previously.
wakeup.
I have not tried to annul anything the children of Israel rejected The Messiah, they broke their covenant.The jews said that the christians follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); and the christians said that the jews follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); though they both recite the Scripture. Like unto their word, said (the pagans) who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they have been differing.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #113)
Boditharta.
Read with your eyes open.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a *remnant* *according to the election of grace*.
Romans 11:6 *And if by grace*, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; **but the election hath obtained it**, and the *rest were blinded*
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Romans 11:11 *I say then*, Have they stumbled that they *should fall*? **God forbid**: but rather **through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles**, for to provoke them to *jealousy*.
WITHOUT THE FALLING OF THE JEWS;WE WILL NOT HAVE THE GOSPELS.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: **how much more shall these, which be the natural branches**, **be graffed into their own olive tree**?
Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the *two candlesticks* standing before the God of the earth.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,12:04) Boditharta. Read with your eyes open.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a *remnant* *according to the election of grace*.
Romans 11:6 *And if by grace*, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; **but the election hath obtained it**, and the *rest were blinded*
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Romans 11:11 *I say then*, Have they stumbled that they *should fall*? **God forbid**: but rather **through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles**, for to provoke them to *jealousy*.
WITHOUT THE FALLING OF THE JEWS;WE WILL NOT HAVE THE GOSPELS.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: **how much more shall these, which be the natural branches**, **be graffed into their own olive tree**?
Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the *two candlesticks* standing before the God of the earth.
wakeup.
This is of course written from a Jewish conversion perspective Salvation has always been available to all the earth. NOAH was not Jewish but wasdelivered a Covenant that was with ALL MANKIND.I don't dispute the verses you quoted they are just in a certain context. The Quran verses I gave you makes that clear.
Christians must insist that they are on the right path andJews do the same they both claim exclusive rights to God an they are both incorrect in their assumption.
(Both) the Jews and the christians say: “We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #18)
Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or christians? Say, “Are you more knowing or is Allah?” And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)
Never will the Jews or the christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: “The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance.” Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #120)
They say: “Become Jews or christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,10:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 10 2013,04:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 09 2013,15:51) Boditharta. God has led the children of Isaac to the land of milk and honey. Not the children of Ishma'el.
God also sends his prophets to the children of Isaac,
not to the children of Ishma'el.The children of ishma'el is against the children of Isaac,
and so it is still today.Genesis 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, *mocking*.
Genesis 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, *Cast out this bondwoman and her son*: for the son of this bondwoman **shall not be heir with my son**, even with Isaac.
Genesis 21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
Genesis 21:12 And *God said* unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for **in Isaac shall thy seed be called**.
Genesis 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
Genesis 21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed%
The prophecy has alreay come true in the Law where it says:Deuteronomy 21:15-17
New International Version (NIV)
The Right of the Firstborn
15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.
Now go look and see the entire land is full with the descendents of th Firstborn of Abraham
“I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore”
If you don't count Ishmael this has not occured and it has as Coltr pointed out the Children of Israel broke their covenant and rejected their Messiah
Boditharta.You can try in any way to disannul what *God has said*.
What God has promised Ishma'el has been fulfilled.
They have become a great nation and thats that,nothing about the inheritance.God has not given up with israel;for the true olive branches will be grafted back to the tree.
God has blinded their minds for a period of time only.You are disregarding facts, waht I have posted previously.
wakeup.
God has not given up on Israel ……but at the same time he has blinded them?? Well I should think he wouldn't give up on them if he is simualtaniously blinding them. 
It is that kind of quackery that gives religion a bad name.
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,17:23) Mike B. There are four chiefs(arc angels).
1.Micha'el.
2.Rapha'el.
3.Phanu'el.
4.Gabri'el.
Each have a task to do.
Scripture?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2013,13:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,17:23) Mike B. There are four chiefs(arc angels).
1.Micha'el.
2.Rapha'el.
3.Phanu'el.
4.Gabri'el.
Each have a task to do.
Scripture?
Mike b.I can only give you this scripture.If you want to check out the book of Enoch,its there.
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, ***Michael, ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES***, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
There are four chief princes.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,12:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2013,13:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,17:23) Mike B. There are four chiefs(arc angels).
1.Micha'el.
2.Rapha'el.
3.Phanu'el.
4.Gabri'el.
Each have a task to do.
Scripture?
Mike b.I can only give you this scripture.If you want to check out the book of Enoch,its there.
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, ***Michael, ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES***, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
There are four chief princes.
wakeup.
If you have only one scripture ,why then you ad another bookSee,wakeup
Bod,does the same thing ,with his Qurun ,he uses the ignorance of bible truth of the christianity world to his advantage ,and so add his book to drive them even further into dispear and ruin,
Bod as mastered the devil art ,from Eden ,
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 10 2013,12:32) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,10:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 10 2013,04:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 09 2013,15:51) Boditharta. God has led the children of Isaac to the land of milk and honey. Not the children of Ishma'el.
God also sends his prophets to the children of Isaac,
not to the children of Ishma'el.The children of ishma'el is against the children of Isaac,
and so it is still today.Genesis 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, *mocking*.
Genesis 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, *Cast out this bondwoman and her son*: for the son of this bondwoman **shall not be heir with my son**, even with Isaac.
Genesis 21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
Genesis 21:12 And *God said* unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for **in Isaac shall thy seed be called**.
Genesis 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
Genesis 21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed%
The prophecy has alreay come true in the Law where it says:Deuteronomy 21:15-17
New International Version (NIV)
The Right of the Firstborn
15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.
Now go look and see the entire land is full with the descendents of th Firstborn of Abraham
“I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore”
If you don't count Ishmael this has not occured and it has as Coltr pointed out the Children of Israel broke their covenant and rejected their Messiah
Boditharta.You can try in any way to disannul what *God has said*.
What God has promised Ishma'el has been fulfilled.
They have become a great nation and thats that,nothing about the inheritance.God has not given up with israel;for the true olive branches will be grafted back to the tree.
God has blinded their minds for a period of time only.You are disregarding facts, waht I have posted previously.
wakeup.
God has not given up on Israel ……but at the same time he has blinded them?? Well I should think he wouldn't give up on them if he is simualtaniously blinding them. It is that kind of quackery that gives religion a bad name.
Colter
Colter.Read my post above,
and hopefully you will understand.wakeup.
Quote Colter. Read my post above,
and hopefully you will understand.wakeup.
Saddly, I understand it all to well, and it's simple. The apostles of Jesus, and the subsequent religion about Jesus, insisted on applying the erroneous concept of the “Jewish Messiah” to the Son of Man, God incarnate.
“No one puts a piece of un-shrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment and the tear is made worse.”
Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, Christianity is contaminated with the false expectations of the Jews, and consequently Christians have had to rationalize with outrageous theology to explain why the false expectations of the OT never materialized.
In addition to the OT having a number of blatant factual errors, it is basically a document of massive egotism concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon. But the fact that these priest appropriated truths from other history books (and then destroyed them), the fact that they incorporated spiritual truths form the Egyptians in the psalms (as if they were their own) the fact that the Jews exploited elements of the prophets to show themselves as “Gods chosen people”, none of that takes away from the underlying TRUTH that God did try to work with mankind in preparation for the Son of God on earth. But it is very sad that the Jews fiction about themselves colored and distorted the expectations of the coming Son as well as the historical world view of those who follow a misunderstood Christ.
“My kingdom is not of this world”….it is spiritul, world wide, not material Israel.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,00:05) Quote Colter. Read my post above,
and hopefully you will understand.wakeup.
Saddly, I understand it all to well, and it's simple. The apostles of Jesus, and the subsequent religion about Jesus, insisted on applying the erroneous concept of the “Jewish Messiah” to the Son of Man, God incarnate.
“No one puts a piece of un-shrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment and the tear is made worse.”
Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, Christianity is contaminated with the false expectations of the Jews, and consequently Christians have had to rationalize with outrageous theology to explain why the false expectations of the OT never materialized.
In addition to the OT having a number of blatant factual errors, it is basically a document of massive egotism concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon. But the fact that these priest appropriated truths from other history books (and then destroyed them), the fact that they incorporated spiritual truths form the Egyptians in the psalms (as if they were their own) the fact that the Jews exploited elements of the prophets to show themselves as “Gods chosen people”, none of that takes away from the underlying TRUTH that God did try to work with mankind in preparation for the Son of God on earth. But it is very sad that the Jews fiction about themselves colored and distorted the expectations of the coming Son as well as the historical world view of those who follow a misunderstood Christ.
“My kingdom is not of this world”….it is spiritul, world wide, not material Israel.
Colter
Colter.Wy then, are you still using the scriptures?
You are judging the very *Word of God*.
Placing your self above Jesus,and his God.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,01:41) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,00:05) Quote Colter. Read my post above,
and hopefully you will understand.wakeup.
Saddly, I understand it all to well, and it's simple. The apostles of Jesus, and the subsequent religion about Jesus, insisted on applying the erroneous concept of the “Jewish Messiah” to the Son of Man, God incarnate.
“No one puts a piece of un-shrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment and the tear is made worse.”
Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, Christianity is contaminated with the false expectations of the Jews, and consequently Christians have had to rationalize with outrageous theology to explain why the false expectations of the OT never materialized.
In addition to the OT having a number of blatant factual errors, it is basically a document of massive egotism concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon. But the fact that these priest appropriated truths from other history books (and then destroyed them), the fact that they incorporated spiritual truths form the Egyptians in the psalms (as if they were their own) the fact that the Jews exploited elements of the prophets to show themselves as “Gods chosen people”, none of that takes away from the underlying TRUTH that God did try to work with mankind in preparation for the Son of God on earth. But it is very sad that the Jews fiction about themselves colored and distorted the expectations of the coming Son as well as the historical world view of those who follow a misunderstood Christ.
“My kingdom is not of this world”….it is spiritul, world wide, not material Israel.
Colter
Colter.Wy then, are you still using the scriptures?
You are judging the very *Word of God*.
Placing your self above Jesus,and his God.wakeup.
No, I’m judging man made books that were written ABOUT the Word, but converted INTO THE WORD by the institution of religion. People are kept ignorant and incapable of leaning more, so these stunted people come up with and believe stupid ideas.The Bible itself does not claim inerrancy or divine authorship.
As far as relying on truths within the scripture, one has to separate the good from the bad. Its not the fault of sincere people that later generations of editors screwed up the story!
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,02:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,01:41) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,00:05) Quote Colter. Read my post above,
and hopefully you will understand.wakeup.
Saddly, I understand it all to well, and it's simple. The apostles of Jesus, and the subsequent religion about Jesus, insisted on applying the erroneous concept of the “Jewish Messiah” to the Son of Man, God incarnate.
“No one puts a piece of un-shrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment and the tear is made worse.”
Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, Christianity is contaminated with the false expectations of the Jews, and consequently Christians have had to rationalize with outrageous theology to explain why the false expectations of the OT never materialized.
In addition to the OT having a number of blatant factual errors, it is basically a document of massive egotism concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon. But the fact that these priest appropriated truths from other history books (and then destroyed them), the fact that they incorporated spiritual truths form the Egyptians in the psalms (as if they were their own) the fact that the Jews exploited elements of the prophets to show themselves as “Gods chosen people”, none of that takes away from the underlying TRUTH that God did try to work with mankind in preparation for the Son of God on earth. But it is very sad that the Jews fiction about themselves colored and distorted the expectations of the coming Son as well as the historical world view of those who follow a misunderstood Christ.
“My kingdom is not of this world”….it is spiritul, world wide, not material Israel.
Colter
Colter.Wy then, are you still using the scriptures?
You are judging the very *Word of God*.
Placing your self above Jesus,and his God.wakeup.
No, I’m judging man made books that were written ABOUT the Word, but converted INTO THE WORD by the institution of religion. People are kept ignorant and incapable of leaning more, so these stunted people come up with and believe stupid ideas.The Bible itself does not claim inerrancy or divine authorship.
As far as relying on truths within the scripture, one has to separate the good from the bad. Its not the fault of sincere people that later generations of editors screwed up the story!
Colter
Colter.1. You are denying the power of God,that he can
preserve his word,so we can depend on it.
You believe in God, but denying his power.2.You; have placed yourself *higher* than God
judging *His Word* by your wisdom.*Thinking* you are serving God,as the jews did.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,09:14) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,02:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,01:41) Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,00:05) Quote Colter. Read my post above,
and hopefully you will understand.wakeup.
Saddly, I understand it all to well, and it's simple. The apostles of Jesus, and the subsequent religion about Jesus, insisted on applying the erroneous concept of the “Jewish Messiah” to the Son of Man, God incarnate.
“No one puts a piece of un-shrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment and the tear is made worse.”
Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, Christianity is contaminated with the false expectations of the Jews, and consequently Christians have had to rationalize with outrageous theology to explain why the false expectations of the OT never materialized.
In addition to the OT having a number of blatant factual errors, it is basically a document of massive egotism concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon. But the fact that these priest appropriated truths from other history books (and then destroyed them), the fact that they incorporated spiritual truths form the Egyptians in the psalms (as if they were their own) the fact that the Jews exploited elements of the prophets to show themselves as “Gods chosen people”, none of that takes away from the underlying TRUTH that God did try to work with mankind in preparation for the Son of God on earth. But it is very sad that the Jews fiction about themselves colored and distorted the expectations of the coming Son as well as the historical world view of those who follow a misunderstood Christ.
“My kingdom is not of this world”….it is spiritul, world wide, not material Israel.
Colter
Colter.Wy then, are you still using the scriptures?
You are judging the very *Word of God*.
Placing your self above Jesus,and his God.wakeup.
No, I’m judging man made books that were written ABOUT the Word, but converted INTO THE WORD by the institution of religion. People are kept ignorant and incapable of leaning more, so these stunted people come up with and believe stupid ideas.The Bible itself does not claim inerrancy or divine authorship.
As far as relying on truths within the scripture, one has to separate the good from the bad. Its not the fault of sincere people that later generations of editors screwed up the story!
Colter
Colter.1. You are denying the power of God,that he can
preserve his word,so we can depend on it.
You believe in God, but denying his power.2.You; have placed yourself *higher* than God
judging *His Word* by your wisdom.*Thinking* you are serving God,as the jews did.
wakeup.
There are a number of books that used to be part of the collection of inspired works like Enoch, Jasher, Doings of the Kings of Judea etc. so your argument is not very well thought out.God is the Word, the inaccurate books about him are not.
The only thing I'm denying is the lie of the preists.
Colter
Colter.
Let me repeat.
1. You are *denying the power of God*,that he can
preserve his word,so we can depend on it.
You believe in God, but denying his power.
You will have no excuse for not knowing God.
For he has provided us with his word in tact.Satan is not smarter than God.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 10 2013,17:52) See,wakeup Bod,does the same thing ,with his Qurun ,he uses the ignorance of bible truth of the christianity world to his advantage ,and so add his book to drive them even further into dispear and ruin,
Bod as mastered the devil art ,from Eden ,
No, didn't add any book the Quran is The Word of God.Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,14:52) Colter. Let me repeat.
1. You are *denying the power of God*,that he can
preserve his word,so we can depend on it.
You believe in God, but denying his power.
You will have no excuse for not knowing God.
For he has provided us with his word in tact.Satan is not smarter than God.
wakeup.
I realize that the power of your pride is what is really at stake, yours is a religion of the presumptive authority of the fetish. If you were honest it would all come tumbleing down.Besides, your man made book challenges the power and foresight of God in the creation of man.
Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Sep. 11 2013,22:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2013,14:52) Colter. Let me repeat.
1. You are *denying the power of God*,that he can
preserve his word,so we can depend on it.
You believe in God, but denying his power.
You will have no excuse for not knowing God.
For he has provided us with his word in tact.Satan is not smarter than God.
wakeup.
I realize that the power of your pride is what is really at stake, yours is a religion of the presumptive authority of the fetish. If you were honest it would all come tumbleing down.Besides, your man made book challenges the power and foresight of God in the creation of man.
Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever.
Colter
Colter.You are judging the writings of the
Prophets;Jesus,and the Apostles.
You have put your self up high,with your wisdom.
The great wise one, who has the authority to sort out what is to be accepted, and what is to be thrown in the trash.Are you truly that great?wakeup.
wakeup.
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