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Hi W,
You said in another thread
“So GB. Rant and rave about the “Trinity is false” the “Trinity is a lie” “Trinitarians are brain washed”, all you want.”Then you say here
“I think you have brain damage”ummm
I think it is false to worship the Son. We are to worship our Father in heaven, and we do this through the Son. The Son made it possible by how he lived unto His death. He worshiped His Father and so should we. In doing so we honor them both. Messiah is our Master, He will lead us to the Father.
Quote (Laurel @ July 09 2007,22:32) I think it is false to worship the Son. We are to worship our Father in heaven, and we do this through the Son. The Son made it possible by how he lived unto His death. He worshiped His Father and so should we. In doing so we honor them both. Messiah is our Master, He will lead us to the Father.
Tell that to Stephen.Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.Stephen kneeled down (not fell down) and prayed directly to Jesus. STEPHEN WORSHIPPED JESUS!
Luk 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
The right hand of power is metaphor meaning that all authority belongs to Christ. That is all authority. Can you imagine the Godhead relinquishing all their authority to a created being? Of course not! Look what happened to Lucifer.
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus is Yahweh God!
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You tell me nothing I do not already know. Y'shua is my Lord as well. I know my place. It is only through Messiah that I have access to the Father. If I know Messiah then I know my Father, because my Father gave His Son to me, in His stead, to show me who He is, so that I may see for myself, and know Him.
Quote (Laurel @ July 09 2007,18:32) I think it is false to worship the Son. We are to worship our Father in heaven, and we do this through the Son. The Son made it possible by how he lived unto His death. He worshiped His Father and so should we. In doing so we honor them both. Messiah is our Master, He will lead us to the Father.
True. Just don't forget the Son's importance as well. He is equal to God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,18:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,10:38) Hi W,
So God is and was not ever the Word.
So why would you teach that Christ is God?
He is the Son of God.
NHI think you have brain damage!
You know what I think? I think that you shouldn't judge people. After all, who are we to do the judging?
It is written.Matthew 7: 1-5
Judging Others
1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 or in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.JOHN 14:15 – “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
John 1:14 says the word became flesh and dwelt among us. If you're looking for clarification for this verse, the best place to find it is in 1 John. The same writer, John the Divine, said that the Word of life that was with the Father and our hands have handled. He later says that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. If you take both scriptures together you should see that the Word that was with God and was God was manifest to us in the person of Jesus Christ.
Hi Mr Steve,
Of course the Son was a vessel for the Spirit of God from the Jordan and manifested God in his flesh.
Is that what you mean?Jesus expressly stated that the Father was greater than he. He also said that he that is sent is not greater than he who sent him. Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is the image of the Father, he is the Son of the Father. Christ never said I am the Father. Just the opposite, in many of Christ teachings, especially in the sermon on the mount, he speaks truths and uses the phrase, your Father, which is in heaven. He did not say your Father, which is me. In just about every epistle, the salutation includes the distinction between the Father and the Son. To say that Jesus is the Father is to greatly error. He is one with the Father and he prayed that we would be made one, but to conclude from that that the two are the same is to conclude contrary to other scriptures that expressly state the Father and the Son are distinct persons.
Quote (acertainchap @ July 11 2007,08:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2007,18:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2007,10:38) Hi W,
So God is and was not ever the Word.
So why would you teach that Christ is God?
He is the Son of God.
NHI think you have brain damage!
You know what I think? I think that you shouldn't judge people. After all, who are we to do the judging?
It is written.Matthew 7: 1-5
Judging Others
1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 or in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.JOHN 14:15 – “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
AThen why are you judging me my friend?
That was a jest. I have funned with NH before as well as he with me!
to all….> this is what i beleve, Jesus is a created person as we are. The difference between him and us is his position in the plan of God The Father only.
he was ordained from the foundations of the world to bruise the head of satan through the seed of the woman. and though he was ordained he was not created untile his birth and then he was manifested or brought forth at that time, Just as the apostle Peter said.
he, himself was never the (WORD) but the Word or God was in him and spoke through him, the words he spoke weren't his just as he said, But were the words of him who sent him.
we are to see Jesus Just like ourselves as our older brother who or Father has placed over us. Not for us to worship as a God , but to serve as the first born of our family and as the first born he holds that position and we are to obey him as we would the Father,because of the position the Father has placed upon him.
the biggest LIE EVER TOLD is Jesus is Almighty God himself.
this is the spirit of the antichrist spoken by John and also the Man of Sin spoken of the apostle Paul. It is (THE LIE) about who Jesus is, a lie that Jesus will destroy with the words of his mouth when he comes. written in 2thes 2 .this trinitarian Idology is pure false teaching.and is an act of idolatry. WE were told “you shall have no other God besides Me” by God the Father Himself.
peace to all who understand this because you have been born of the spirit…your brother in this truth….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 11 2007,17:16) to all….> this is what i beleve, Jesus is a created person as we are. The difference between him and us is his position in the plan of God The Father only. he was ordained from the foundations of the world to bruise the head of satan through the seed of the woman. and though he was ordained he was not created untile his birth and then he was manifested or brought forth at that time, Just as the apostle Peter said.
he, himself was never the (WORD) but the Word or God was in him and spoke through him, the words he spoke weren't his just as he said, But were the words of him who sent him.
we are to see Jesus Just like ourselves as our older brother who or Father has placed over us. Not for us to worship as a God , but to serve as the first born of our family and as the first born he holds that position and we are to obey him as we would the Father,because of the position the Father has placed upon him.
the biggest LIE EVER TOLD is Jesus is Almighty God himself.
this is the spirit of the antichrist spoken by John and also the Man of Sin spoken of the apostle Paul. It is (THE LIE) about who Jesus is, a lie that Jesus will destroy with the words of his mouth when he comes. written in 2thes 2 .this trinitarian Idology is pure false teaching.and is an act of idolatry. WE were told “you shall have no other God besides Me” by God the Father Himself.
peace to all who understand this because you have been born of the spirit…your brother in this truth….gene
GBCan you show me a scripture that promotes your blasphemous Ideology that Jesus was created?
Hi W,
Before you judge this dear brother so harshly should you not give him a chance to explain?
Is blasphemy not against God Himself?
Jesus is the Son of God.
BTW he is never said to be created.GB
Quote the biggest LIE EVER TOLD is Jesus is Almighty God himself. It is best to stick with what the scripture says.
Jesus The King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the Almighty God
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;The Word of God described in verse 13 is Jesus because
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,Jesus is described here as KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS,The Word of God, Almighty God, and the great God
The following verse confirms that Jesus (the Lamb of God) is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb , and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Let us now look more closely at Rev 19:15.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Who is this Almighty God who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron?
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron
It’s JESUS!……the Almighty God!
All these verses are obviously speaking of the same Person our Lord and God Jesus Christ.
Look at all of His titles.the Lamb, the Word, The Word of God, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS, Lord of lords, and King of kings, Almighty God, and the great God,
Jesus Christ is our Almighty Jehovah God.
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Jesus Christ is called “the mighty God” in Isaiah 9:6.
JW's have a ready answer for this verse. They explain that Christ is “the mighty god” but not “the almighty.” They say that Christ is the mighty, never the almighty and that Jehovah is the almighty God, never the mighty. However, Jeremiah 32:18 shows that Jehovah is the mighty God. Therefore, since Christ is the mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) and Jehovah is the mighty God (Jer. 32:18), they are both God. They both possess full deity.
Jer 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD (Jehovah) of hosts, is his name,
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus is Jehovah. The Mighty God.
Isa 42:20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 12 2007,01:36) Jesus Christ is called “the mighty God” in Isaiah 9:6.
Why do people keep bringing this verse up? There is absolutely no evidence this verse applies to Yeshua. Besides that, is says “And His name will be called”. Jehu means “He is God”. Welcome, glorious Jehu! It seems the right hand is taken but perhaps the left will suffice?The rest of the post works off of the false premise that Isaiah 9:6 is about Yeshua. Snip.
Hi kj,
Foghorns in the mist.
Unmanned drifting hazards.
Timewasting irrelevancies all trying to justify a false doctrine.
Repentance is not their style.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2007,18:58) Hi W,
Before you judge this dear brother so harshly should you not give him a chance to explain?
Is blasphemy not against God Himself?
Jesus is the Son of God.
BTW he is never said to be created.
NHTo me to say the Monogenes Son of God was created is blasphemous.
As you say “he is never said to be created”.
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