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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,12:49) Hi MB,
The purposes of God are beyond us.
Not necessarily, Nick. It is clear from scripture that God created mankind as flesh beings, and it was good in His eyes.His purpose was that they become fruitful and fill the earth, right? Are you saying God has now changed His mind about an earth filled with multiplying flesh beings?
If so, how do you know that?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,15:21) Hi,
1.1 Corinthians 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.Not the human princes but those seen in Daniel
I agree with you there, Nick. It is these same princes who are called “sons of God” in many scriptures – including this verse:Deuteronomy 32:8 NET Bible
When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided up humankind, he set the boundaries of the peoples, according to the number of the heavenly assembly.It was these spirit princes who were set over the nations of human beings, and directed by God to guide them in a righteous manner. They didn't…… which is what Psalm 82 is all about. God is passing judgment upon these gods for not doing it like He asked them to do it.
These are also the gods of the other nations. They are, for example, the gods of Egypt who Jehovah punished along with Pharaoh and the Egyptian people.
They are the gods of Moab, who brought down wrath upon the Israelites after the king of Moab sacrificed his son to them.
So this is all good stuff, Nick………. I just don't know what it has to do with what we're discussing right now.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2014,04:59) Hi journey, Thanks for your well-thought-out and easy-to-read explanation.
Your final conclusion is the same as Nick's – which is “No More Flesh”.
I don't quite believe that yet, and will be on the lookout as I go through my current reading of the scriptures.
I also don't know why you are separating Jews from Gentiles, when Paul said there is no more Jew or Gentile.
But thanks for your input and insight.
Hi MikeYou are welcome
It's the 2nd resurrection we are speaking of. The final judgement of mankind.
There's not anything indicating that those who are spared from the lake of fire are resurrected into flesh,
only that their names are written in the “book of life”To me, it would make sense to raise them into flesh,
and makes sense that those who do not know Christ should be taught, just like in the 1st resurrection.
but in the first resurrection, it was only the Jews who were brought back, not the gentiles.
And this is to make Israel a “great nation” a model to the rest of the world, so those new generations living outside the kingdom can also be converted.But, it doesn't say anything about flesh after judgement day. It only says that after the 2nd resurrection, the earth will be melted. So flesh would not survive this.
And their names are written in the “book of life”And another point, Satan and his angels will be destroyed,
so how can one prove themselves and resist evil when there is no temptation about?When Paul said there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, he was only referring to those “in Christ”. All get the same inheritance and resurrected at the coming.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2014,11:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,12:49) Hi MB,
The purposes of God are beyond us.
Not necessarily, Nick. It is clear from scripture that God created mankind as flesh beings, and it was good in His eyes.His purpose was that they become fruitful and fill the earth, right? Are you saying God has now changed His mind about an earth filled with multiplying flesh beings?
If so, how do you know that?
Hi MB,
The purposes of God are beyond us.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2014,06:31) Hi KW,
Which human princes?
Was there a human conspiracy?The work of men always seem to feature in your posts
Nick,Herod and Pilate at the least though the members of the Sanhedrin would also qualify. I believe there was at least on voice in the Sanhedrin but that was voice as one calling in the wilderness.
Nick,
When Scripture tells us they did. The Sanhedrin are those that took Jesus to Pilot to have him crucified and Pilot and Herod became friends over the earlier sending Jesus to Herod.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2014,17:08) Hi KW,
So your idea is validated to you on such poor evidence?
NickWhy do you have to put your brothers down all the time?
If you are in Christ, you must be a changed man.
Who made you judge, with nothing to back up?
It's just your opinion,
and nothing else.NICK
flesh will be part of those living on earth ;God as never filled the earth with righteous people yet ,and his will must be done ;
first we have to learn to clean our spirit to become pure and holy like our father then we have to make our inside accomplishment shown through our flesh body (deed worthy of the saints) this is how not only lip service is provided but action as well just as God as show to us through Christ ,
this would show our total submission to our father 's will
Hi,
52.Luke 13:26
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.Hearing the teachings alone does not save
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,03:51) Hi,
52.Luke 13:26
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.Hearing the teachings alone does not save
Nwhy are you using the old English
would you like if i would use old french
so please quote English that today people can understand
remember the words of Paul if you going to talk in a language that your listeners do not understand what is the use of it
Quote (terraricca @ April 14 2014,10:34) flesh will be part of those living on earth
I agree with you and Kerwin, Pierre.But I will take a hard look into it, and see if I can find some scriptural proof of what I “feel” to be correct.
Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2014,17:07) To all, I may be getting short of patience so good night to you all and may God watch over you.
YES KERWIN; THEY ALL SHOUTED; CRUCIFY HIM,
AND LET HIS BLOOD BE ON US AND OUR CHILDREN.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2014,10:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,03:51) Hi,
52.Luke 13:26
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.Hearing the teachings alone does not save
Nwhy are you using the old English
would you like if i would use old french
so please quote English that today people can understand
remember the words of Paul if you going to talk in a language that your listeners do not understand what is the use of it
PierreIt's easier to learn and understand than the Hebrew and Greek.
I don't find it hard,
I learn't the lingo when I was 12.Quote (journey42 @ April 15 2014,14:01) Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2014,10:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,03:51) Hi,
52.Luke 13:26
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.Hearing the teachings alone does not save
Nwhy are you using the old English
would you like if i would use old french
so please quote English that today people can understand
remember the words of Paul if you going to talk in a language that your listeners do not understand what is the use of it
PierreIt's easier to learn and understand than the Hebrew and Greek.
I don't find it hard,
I learn't the lingo when I was 12.
j42is that your answer to Paul or to me
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2014,05:55) Quote (terraricca @ April 14 2014,10:34) flesh will be part of those living on earth
I agree with you and Kerwin, Pierre.But I will take a hard look into it, and see if I can find some scriptural proof of what I “feel” to be correct.
Mike,Isaiah 66:24
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)24 And they shall go out and look at the dead bodies of the people who have rebelled against me; for their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.
There will be dead bodies if this passage is taken literal.
Isaiah 66:23
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)23 From new moon to new moon,
and from sabbath to sabbath,
all flesh shall come to worship before me,
says the Lord.If you choose to interpret this one literally then there is flesh that worships him and it is all the living flesh there is.
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