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Nick…..wrong again the SOUL= BODY + SPIRIT> You need to read and understand what Jesus said. Then you wouldn't have such a problem with it.
IMO………gene
Hi brother Nick,
here is the proof for brother Gene's understanding in Genesis
“The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
—Genesis 2:7What can inferred from this?
Soul=body+breath(spirit).
And also pl. see 1 Cori 15:45So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Peace to you
AdamQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2008,08:41) Nick…..wrong again the SOUL= BODY + SPIRIT> You need to read and understand what Jesus said. Then you wouldn't have such a problem with it. IMO………gene
I agreeQuote (gollamudi @ July 21 2008,00:54) Hi brother Nick,
here is the proof for brother Gene's understanding in Genesis
“The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
—Genesis 2:7What can inferred from this?
Soul=body+breath(spirit).
And also pl. see 1 Cori 15:45So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Peace to you
Adam
Hi GM,
Proof?
Read again.Man is body, soul and spirit.[1thess5]
Spirit can also be divided from soul[heb4]
The spirit gives life. Without spirit man is dead[jas2]So looking at Gen 2.7
“The LORD God formed man {BODY}of the dust of the ground
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living {SPIRIT} soul {SOUL}.”
Man did not just become a soul but a LIVING SOUL
Nick…….show us were it says spirit can be divided from the soul then. God made Adam and complete body, but that body could not animate it self until the Spirit from GOD was put into it.
As i have mentioned before Jesus didn't tell us to worry about the spirit did he , he said the Body and Soul could be destroyed , why did he leave out spirit, it was because His SOUL included his spirit. BODY+SPIRIT=SOUL>
Nick….right but God can destroyed it if He wants to, and that is the part of the soul Jesus was talking about that could be destroyed by GOD. Nick you have not shown any scripture that backs you claim of three components , the body, the soul, the spirit. If you have proof then show us then. Don't keep trashing what said.
Hi GB,
Spirit is not part of the soul.
We know you hate being opposed but you should refine your understanding by the Word.Heb4
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.To All the bible plainly says if God were to withdraw his Spirit all life would cease to exist. the Spirit is the key part of our soul it lives in our bodies. Jesus did not tell us fear him who can destory our spirits, but Body and Soul. If the Spirit was another component of us why did he fail to mention it then. He ONLY MENTIONED BODY AND SOUL nothing else that we had to worry about.
Hi GB,
The Spirit of God does not live in all things.
Spirit part of the soul? Is it written?We do not own the spirit given us and more than we own the Spirit of God also given to His sons.
God creates by His Spirit.
Psalm 104:30
You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;And You renew the face of the ground.God gives spirit to all living things
Isaiah 42:5
Thus says God the LORD,Who created the heavens and stretched them out,Who spread out the earth and its offspring,Who gives breath to the people on itAnd spirit to those who walk in it,Nick…….the dividing asunder of Soul and Spirit, and joints and marrow is what God's word can do it can separate the Soul, into spirit and body and joints and marrow, this scripture have nothing to do with what composes a man, because spirit is synonymous with soul they are same thing a man is composed with spirit and the spirit is who he is that is his soul, and when installed in a body it animates it into a living being. as said in Genesis. It was the breath of God that gave life and that was spirit. When a man dies it says his body goes to the grave and his spirit returns to He who gave it God. Nothing else is mention that remains or is in transition or exist in another dimensional state some where. You have not proved anything except your own misguided reasoning.
IMO……..gene
Nick…..where do you get (SEPERATE) the Soul into body and spirit. Jesus said fear him who can kill both BODY and Soul , Why because thats all there is for us. The SOUL = BODY and SPIRIT
And while the body can dies the Spirt part goes back to God who gave it, Man became a living SOUL when God joined Spirit and BODY, that made Him living SOUL>IMOHi GB,
Did he say KILL?
Please treat the Word with care.
Mt 10
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2008,11:17) Nick…….the dividing asunder of Soul and Spirit, and joints and marrow is what God's word can do it can separate the Soul, into spirit and body and joints and marrow, this scripture have nothing to do with what composes a man, because spirit is synonymous with soul they are same thing a man is composed with spirit and the spirit is who he is that is his soul, and when installed in a body it animates it into a living being. as said in Genesis. It was the breath of God that gave life and that was spirit. When a man dies it says his body goes to the grave and his spirit returns to He who gave it God. Nothing else is mention that remains or is in transition or exist in another dimensional state some where. You have not proved anything except your own misguided reasoning. IMO……..gene
Hi brother Gene,
It's wonderful way to explain the division of soul into body and spirit as per Heb 4. I agree with this understanding. Soul is none but we the living being as a result of body and spirit.
Thanks and blessings
AdamI believe soul is the resultant of body and spirit but it doesn't exist without these two as per Gen 2:7.
Further it can be explained in this way;
To illustrate, let us compare the body to a light bulb being out, the spirit to electricity, and the soul to the light bulb turned on by electricity.When we cut off the power, the lighted bulb (the soul) ceases to exist, because electricity (the spirit) has left it. Only a light bulb switched off remains, that is, the body without life.
As long as we are alive we are composed of body,spirit and soul if we are dead our spirit goes to God and body remains here and the soul cease to exist. This is the way we can understand 1 Th 5:23.
Let others also share their views.
Thanks
AdamAdam……..good example you gave it's just like your example It's even like a motor, when the power is removed it ceases to functon. Our bodies can only functon with the spirit of life in it and the two, body + spirit = Soul.
Peace………..gene
The Word of God is living and sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces in sunder soul and spirit; that is, it is sharp enough to pierce even in sunder your thoughts Luke 2:35 and correct you and show you plainly when you are thinking YOUR own soul's thoughts and when you are thinking God's Spirit's thoughts Is. 55:8.
It don't think it is known what exactly the soul is… in eternity, the Spirit, Soul and Word co-existed eternally. Time is the space between the spirit-soul-action and the consequence or reward for those actions.
The soul is the experiential center of the being. The soul “clings” either to the Spirit, or the body. “Choose this day: life or death, blessings or curses…” + “Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.” = Spirit is life and blessings; to walk in the flesh is death and curses Rom. 8:6 + Col 3:2
You can only experience that which you give attention to; one or the other; you can't hold both, “for either you will hate the one and love the other or you will love the one and hate the other…” Matt 6:24
Therefore we must live by faith, but the Word divides between what is “faith” that comes from God and “faith” that is not in God, which are your own thoughts.The one that does the walking Gal 5:16, though, is the soul.
The spirit doesn't change; the body doesn't change (or, it wouldn't change if we hadn't sinned in Adam, but basically its nature doesn't change), only the soul becomes more spiritual or carnal/independant from God.
The soul that sins will die: it is no longer in the water of life/spirit; it is like a boat trying to float in mud.
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