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Nick………..Both the vine and its branches are of GOD, and if the vine be HOLY so are its Branches Brother, all derive their life from
(ONE GOD) , we are grafted into the vine by the FATHER, and The Fathers life flows through the vine and its branches. It is (ALL) of GOD the FATHER. Lets give Glory and praise to our (ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD) as Jesus always did. Hear O Israel the LORD our GOD is ONE LORD, and HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE> Blessed are all who worship the ONE TRUE GOD. Remember what the angle told John worship GOD, and keep the testimony of Jesus. Remember Jesus testimony was about that TRUE GOD.love and peace to you and yours…………………………..gene
GB,
If that was all so then branches would never be cut off from the vine.
They are if they fail to produce fruit.jn15
2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.Such useless branches are not of God and for the fire.
Jn15
5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
GB,
You said in another thread.
“Nick…….truly Jesus is the vine and we the branches , but the vine as well as the branches gets it life from what flows through it , and what flows through is Spirit and it Produces the fruit and that Spirit is from one GOD. The life is not the vine , the life is what keep the vine alive. and that is (ONLY) God the FATHER. Therefore Jesus says He can do (NOTHING) of himself, He full well knew it was the Father who gives Him (the vine) as well as Us (the branches) its life. Be like and preach what Jesus Preached (the FATHER). Here is something to think about , Paul said He preached CHRIST and HIM (CRUCIFIED). Now the question is do we preach Jesus as Paul did. The greatest thing we can give other is to show how and in what way was Christ (CRUCIFIED), was it when he died on the cross or was it his putting himself to death all his life and the cross was just the end of that process. You see Nick we need to preach Christ as Crucified as Paul did ,and we as well as the world can see we need to put ourselves to death also. The key to salvation is not about Jesus the person, but what Jesus did in obedience to the FATHER, and what we must do also. That is the GOSPEL Showing people what Jesus did and how He did it. So we can also be Crucified with Him, and if we be Crucified with Jesus we shall also be raised with Him. Just looking at Jesus and worshiping Him and Glorifying Him will not cut it, we must become as He is by the same power that enabled Him to put his will to death we to must. Salvation is not about the person, its the example of the person Jesus the Christ gave us. IMO”Jesus is the only way to the Father.
Jesus if for us the source of God's Holy Spirit.
God's Spirit is not given to any outside of His beloved Son.
Jesus is our master and Lord and in serving him we please the Father.
lk6
40The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.lk6
44For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
lk6
46And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?Nick…………Jesus also said He who believes on Me does (NOT) believe on ME , but HIM who sent ME> What part of that do you not understand. You continually want to push Jesus Ahead of The FATHER, why is that Nick? Again the vine and its branches recieve their life from (ONE GOD) Period. The vine or its branches can not maintain its life without whats going through it. That the Spirit of GOD Nick.
love and peace to you……………………………………gene
GB,
You said in another thread
“Nick…..o come now Yes a branch can be along side its vine , in fact a branch is part of the vine And are you saying your the toe of Christ.Who saying were (GREATER) It;s enough that the Pupil is (EXACTLY) the same as the master. NICK are you worshiping Jesus as a GOD?”
Is this your view of the relationship between the vine and it's branch?
Is the head not greater than any other part of the body of ChriostNick…….I don't resist Jesus at all I believe Just like He does, In the FATHER and in the WORDS the FATHER gave HIM to tell us. When have i ever said i didn't. Must you distort what i am saying to Keep your pride. Jesus is my brother and we both have on FATHER and He is the ONLY TRUE GOD> Jesus even give me the Honor as being Just like Him saying I am going to My FATHER and YOUR FATHER MY GOD and YOUR GOD, i see not difference there do you. You keep trying to push Jesus away from our likeness and even push Him ahead of the FATHER also. This is a corruption of Both Jesus' word and the FATHERS words'. IMO
peace………………………………gene
Nick……I don't want to be the head of anything. I am happy and content Just being in the house hold of GOD, And the Head of all things is Not Jesus, it is the FATHER. Who is even the head of Jesus, my brother.
peace………………………………gene
GB,
Colossians 3:24
knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.Hi TT,
You said
Jesus was the vine while He was present with His disciples.”Did he stop being the vine supplying nutrients to the branches and allowing them to produce fruit?
Surely if the vine was taken away the branches would die?So the body of Christ was destroyed when he was no longer the vine?
You are not able to be joined with this vine?
What hope do you have?Hi,
It is all about obedience.
We are to be grafted onto the vine.
Then if our branch is not useful it is cut off.Hi,
Whatever difficult conditions any branch suffers also affects the whole vine.
The fruit of any branch is also the fruit of the whole vineHi,
There is another VINE.The vine of the earth [Rev 14.18] has it's clusters gathered after the harvest of the earth is reaped.
They are thrown into the winepress of the wrath of God.He who does not OBEY the SON will not see life but the wrath of God abides on him [Jn3.36]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2012,13:42) Hi,
There is another VINE.The vine of the earth [Rev 14.18] has it's clusters gathered after the harvest of the earth is reaped.
They are thrown into the winepress of the wrath of God.He who does not OBEY the SON will not see life but the wrath of God abides on him [Jn3.36]
Nyes but the wrath of God is not the second dead
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