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Hi,
This is what Jesus our Master said in Jn15” 1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
We live in and serve the vine that the Husbandman may be pleased.
Some would diminish the importance of that vine.
We cannot prefer other human leadersQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2008,08:44) Hi,
This is what Jesus our Master said in Jn15” 1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
We live in and serve the vine that the Husbandman may be pleased.
Some would diminish the importance of that vine.
We cannot prefer other human leaders
Hi Nick:He is the head, but he delagates authority to those whom he ordains in the church as he did with the Apostles. The problem is that there are many “self-exalted” so called leaders in the “so called church”. The same as the Pharisees who were in the seat of Moses, but God did not put them in that position.
God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2008,18:45) Hi 94,
Jesus accepted the authority of the Pharisees and told others to obey them.
Hi Nick:What Jesus said was:
Quote Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.If someone is teaching the Word of God, whoever it is, if it is the Word of God then we should obey it, but the Pharisees were hypocrites teaching men to obey the Word of God but not themselves obeying. Therefore, they were not ordained by God to be in the position of authority. They were “self-exalted” to that position.
God Bless
Hi 94,
What they taught and how consistent they were bears no relationship to their appointment.
All authority comes from God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,06:08) Hi 94,
What they taught and how consistent they were bears no relationship to their appointment.
All authority comes from God.
Hi Nick:And so, you are saying that God put them in the position of authority?
How about the homosexual who is being ordained as a Bishop in some of our “so called Christian churches”?
Hi 94,
Do those churches hold any place in God's order?Do they appear here?
1Peter2
13Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
God did not establish the Whore
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,08:21) Hi 94,
Do those churches hold any place in God's order?Do they appear here?
1Peter2
13Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
God did not establish the Whore
Neither did he establish the Pharisees. They exalted themselves to their position of authority. Nevertheless, if anyone shall say “Honor your Father and your Mother”, I will obey it regardless of who said it. It is the Word of God that is the authority regardless of who teaches it. If the Whore teaches the Word of God, I will obey it. Unfortunately, they have perverted the Word of God with their own man made doctrines. Those I won't obey.Hi 94,
If their authority was not recognised of God then would Jesus have said in Mt23“1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,08:42) Hi 94,
If their authority was not recognised of God then would Jesus have said in Mt23“1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
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Hi Nick:If they teach the Word of God, then they and I and you should obey them, but no, I won't obey anyone who teaches me to disobey the Word of God. Did Daniel?
94,
We should not take on our shoulders the role of arbiter but submit in faith to those who are given by God authority in appointed governance areas.You are not under OT law so you do not need to submit to those in the seat of Moses.
The false church is not of God
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,09:06) 94,
We should not take on our shoulders the role of arbiter but submit in faith to those who are given by God authority in appointed governance areas.You are not under OT law so you do not need to submit to those in the seat of Moses.
The false church is not of God
Hi Nick:I will obey the truth which is the Word of God regardless through whom it comes although I am not under their authority.
94,
If you are under the authority of God and His Son and His Word then He also expects us to obey others He has appointed over us too in the world.[1Peter 2]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,09:25) 94,
If you are under the authority of God and His Son and His Word then He also expects us to obey others He has appointed over us too in the world.[1Peter 2]
True, as long as what they are asking me to do is not contrary to Word of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,10:08) Hi 94,
God can arrange that nobody does that.
Hi Nick:It seems to me that the Apostle Paul had to correct the Apostle Peter.
Also, I have a job in the secular world, and I obey their rules because I work for them, but if they ask me to do something contrary to the Word of God, no, I won't obey.
And re-reading your post, you say obey those whom God has appointed over us. Well, if God has appointed someone over us then they are not self-exalted to that position, and more than likely they will not be asking me to disobey the Word of God.
God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,16:10) God's hand is mighty 94 to guide and preserve and make all things work together for good.
Hi Nick:God causes all things to work together for good to those who love Him and are called according to His purpose. But no, I won't disobey His Word nor will I say that I agree with such doctrines as “the trinity” although those who claim to be in authority in the church say that I can't be a member unless I do.
God Bless
942767……….you are correct in your stand in my opinion, we are members of that church built without hand whose membership is in the Heavens. All churches who preach the TRINITY are in APOSTASY. And we should not support them in any manor, we would only be adding there lies.
love and peace to you and yours……………………gene
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