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Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,13:02) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2008,12:25) DK….scripture plainly show that God sacrificed His son for the Sins of the world. Jesus was God's sacrificial lamb. Lets stop there for a moment and ask why did God do that He never Sinned Did He, so why did He have to sacrifice anything. What did God Show by this then, if you understand that GOD created both good and evil and that He was the one who immersed man into this state were in, in a sense He takes full responsibility for all Sin then and so He had to sacrifice something very close to him and remember it says without the shedding of Blood there is (NO) forgiveness of Sin. But we also have to understand Jesus did not have to do it, because it says it pleased God (IF) he would pour out his flesh unto death. Ask yourself why would it(Please) God for Jesus to die because it showed complete total trust and reliance on Him and you can't ask for more then that of anyone. And thats what pleased the Father. Another thing by that sacrifice God was able to cancel out all sin against us, by way of payment for us , so he bought us back so to speak from sure death. God the Father wants us to grow to the full measure of Christ so we would do exactly what he did and some already have did that. IMO…..gene
Hey GeneShow me one scripture where the bible says GOD created evil
DK……> Isa 45:7…> I form the light and create darkness; I make peace, and CREATE EVIL; I the LORD (do) all these things.Job 2:10 ….> Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil.
If you read the end of the book of Job you will see where God took full responsibility of the evil He brought on Job.
God does create and us evil also to serve his purposes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,15:02) Hard words not3
That may be, but you still haven't said what exactly your preexisting Son would be sacrificing?What could a life on earth have to compare with glory from God sitting at his right hand?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2008,16:10) DK…..i meant, uses evil for his purposes.
Gene,They have moved this discussion to the appropriate thread I created for you guys. See GOOD AND EVIL thread. Thanks, Mandy
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2008,16:10) DK…..i meant, uses evil for his purposes.
why don't you ask t8 for editing rights, then it is so easy to correct things, and you don't have to make another post.
All you have to do go to the Help section and ask t8 he will give it to you since you have beren on her for so long. You then get a new button nect to the quote button.
Peace and Love Briother IreneQuote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,16:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,15:02) Hard words not3
That may be, but you still haven't said what exactly your preexisting Son would be sacrificing?What could a life on earth have to compare with glory from God sitting at his right hand?
You understand that the glory He had with Father is not just in His mind or after He was born of man, rather that He was a Spirit being before the world was? Curious what you believes are literately.
Love IreneQuote (Irene @ June 20 2008,19:38) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,16:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,15:02) Hard words not3
That may be, but you still haven't said what exactly your preexisting Son would be sacrificing?What could a life on earth have to compare with glory from God sitting at his right hand?
You understand that the glory He had with Father is not just in His mind or after He was born of man, rather that He was a Spirit being before the world was? Curious what you believes are literately.
Love Irene
Hi Nick,
Do you believe this “that Jesus was a spirit”?
What happened to your interpretation of “Spirits” are angels?
Do you finally believe that Arians/JW are right in quoting Jesus as an angel/Michael?Hi GM,
Jesus was not any kind of angel.
He was said to be in the form of God.
God is spirit so he, like the angels was too
The monogenes son who was sent into the world.It is my opinion that Jesus lived not to save us from death and wash away with his blood our sins, but to teach us a way to our own spiritual transformation. As far as his death it was a means to show in a very blunt and dramatic way a deeper truth that all who would advance on a path of spiritual evolution must at some point be willing to sacrifice or give something up, in order to move to the next level. Now that doesn't mean we need to hang on a literal cross but at some point we will be called to give up our will, our personality, our perceived being for something higher. Christ showed that through this ultimate sacrifice, (not mine, but thy will be done) that the results lead to elevation of the spirit, the resurrection showing that Jesus was now something greater. Jesus showed mankind in a literal sense what we all must someday do in a spiritual sense. As Jesus taught in parable and allegory his life itself was likewise a lesson wrought with meaning beyond the obvious.
The bible only talks about 2 types of bodys GM…Heavenly and earthly…
Jesus, GOD, Satan, Demons, Angels..all have a heavenly sort
The Bible remarkably oversimplifies many things, not without reason, yet oversimplified nonetheless. There are many theories of mankind existing simultaneously on many levels of being, with body and soul being a simplification of that fact. Paul openly admits that the baptized and confirmed Christians at Corinith — people who had accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior and received the gifts of the laying on of hands and speaking in tongues — people who were not taught by preachers and priests, but the Apostle himself — were not yet able to understand and comprehend what Paul referred to as the Mysteries of the Gospel of God. “I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.” 1 Cor 3:2
Quote (dirtyknections @ June 21 2008,02:45) The bible only talks about 2 types of bodys GM…Heavenly and earthly… Jesus, GOD, Satan, Demons, Angels..all have a heavenly sort
Hi DK,
Do you mean Jesus has sacrificed his heavenly body if at all he has one?Quote (Cato @ June 21 2008,02:45) It is my opinion that Jesus lived not to save us from death and wash away with his blood our sins, but to teach us a way to our own spiritual transformation. As far as his death it was a means to show in a very blunt and dramatic way a deeper truth that all who would advance on a path of spiritual evolution must at some point be willing to sacrifice or give something up, in order to move to the next level. Now that doesn't mean we need to hang on a literal cross but at some point we will be called to give up our will, our personality, our perceived being for something higher. Christ showed that through this ultimate sacrifice, (not mine, but thy will be done) that the results lead to elevation of the spirit, the resurrection showing that Jesus was now something greater. Jesus showed mankind in a literal sense what we all must someday do in a spiritual sense. As Jesus taught in parable and allegory his life itself was likewise a lesson wrought with meaning beyond the obvious.
Cato,A better philosopher I have never met!
Mandy
Quote (Cato @ June 21 2008,05:24) The Bible remarkably oversimplifies many things, not without reason, yet oversimplified nonetheless. There are many theories of mankind existing simultaneously on many levels of being, with body and soul being a simplification of that fact. Paul openly admits that the baptized and confirmed Christians at Corinith — people who had accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior and received the gifts of the laying on of hands and speaking in tongues — people who were not taught by preachers and priests, but the Apostle himself — were not yet able to understand and comprehend what Paul referred to as the Mysteries of the Gospel of God. “I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.” 1 Cor 3:2
Cato Jesus is our perfect sacrifice. The Blood of Christ is washing us clean.
Rev. 7:9 After these things i looked and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, people, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with Palm branches in their hands.
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying,” Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb.
11 And all the Angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their face before the throne and worshiped God.
12 saying:
Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might
Be to our God forever and ever and ever. Amen.”
13 Then one of the elders answered saying to me, ” Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, ” Sir you know.” So he said to me,” These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, ans washed their robes and made them white in THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB…………..In Christrian Love Irene
If Jesus couldn't have walked away from the cross……….
his going to the cross was not a true sacrifice.
Just thinking out loud.
MandyQuote (Not3in1 @ June 24 2008,19:24) If Jesus couldn't have walked away from the cross………. his going to the cross was not a true sacrifice.
Just thinking out loud.
Mandy
John 3:16…THis was GOD's sacrifice…not Jesus
Quote (dirtyknections @ June 25 2008,02:43) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 24 2008,19:24) If Jesus couldn't have walked away from the cross………. his going to the cross was not a true sacrifice.
Just thinking out loud.
Mandy
John 3:16…THis was GOD's sacrifice…not Jesus
Yes, God was the giver of the sacrifice.Jesus was the sacrifice.
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