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Hi dk.
Just a quick reply, I find myself getting too involved in these debates, although I do find them interesting, hearing the various opinions.
You say, “what is all this judgement talk about?” Judgement is not whether 'guilty or not guilty', it is obvious that we are “all” guilty. The judgement is the penalty that is to be paid. It is never eternal separation, or damnation, or torment, as some versions have it. Scripture says, and I won't quote them all at this time, that “God is the saviour of ALL mankind”, and “as in Adam all are dying, so in Christ all will live” also “God wills all mankind to be saved”, there are more, but I'm afraid I am pressed for time right now, and will have to sign off.
Thanks for your input.God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ July 11 2008,07:19) Hi dk.
Just a quick reply, I find myself getting too involved in these debates, although I do find them interesting, hearing the various opinions.
You say, “what is all this judgement talk about?” Judgement is not whether 'guilty or not guilty', it is obvious that we are “all” guilty. The judgement is the penalty that is to be paid. It is never eternal separation, or damnation, or torment, as some versions have it. Scripture says, and I won't quote them all at this time, that “God is the saviour of ALL mankind”, and “as in Adam all are dying, so in Christ all will live” also “God wills all mankind to be saved”, there are more, but I'm afraid I am pressed for time right now, and will have to sign off.
Thanks for your input.God Bless, Jerry.
Ok..Brother Jerry…we will finish this later…Blessings and Agape to you and yours
Hi,
It is not written that all men will be forgiven and given eternal salvation.
It is written that all must repent.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2008,08:52) Hi,
It is not written that all men will be forgiven and given eternal salvation.
It is written that all must repent.
AmenQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2008,08:52) Hi,
It is not written that all men will be forgiven and given eternal salvation.
It is written that all must repent.
Still haven't discovered what Jesus has done for us?Hi,
The door remains open.
Those who enter are safe.
The eye of the shepherd is ever on them.
Men can still receive him even to this day and find pasture
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:Still preaching “Old Covenant” stuff to us who are Under “Grace”, not the “Law”. When will you learn?
Hi,
Grace and peace comes through Jesus Christ. But knowing him is essential.2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;
2 John 1:3
Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Romans 1:7
to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.The heathen cannot grasp this bountiful grace unless they respond to God's gospel in the grace of repentance.
Still preaching repentence, and asking forgiveness? Didn't need Christs sacrifice? Doing it all yourself?
Good luck.
Hi ,
The sacrifice of Jesus was enough to atone for the sins of all men.
But the way of God is through the blood of Jesus.
All must repent.We do not take for granted that sacrifice.
Now the gospel of salvation is preached.Hi Chosenone:
Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.Hi 942767.
One must remeber, that “Hebrews” is written to Israel. See the begining of the first chapter. Now regarding your Quote:
Under the law, one who sinned “presumptuously” (Nu.15:30), or, as the Hebrew has it, “with a high hand”, was to be cut off from among his people, because he had despised the word of Jehovah and broken His commandment. The man who gathered sticks on the sabbath day was stoned to death (Nu.15:32-36). The voluntary sin here referred to is doubtless the repudiation of the truth and apostasy from the faith. The faith of the Hebrews, having been founded on the powers and signs which were given as a token of the near approach of the kingdom, was sorely tried when these signs ceased and the kingdom did not come. But those who drew back could not do so without reproaching God and trampling on the Son of God and inviting the fiery jealousy of Jehovah. For such there is no sin offering, since they refuse the only Sacrifice that is of any avail. They are calling down the vengeance of God.How great is the contrast between these Hebrews and those who came under the ministry of Paul! Their faith did not fail for lack of evidence, because it was never founded on it (2Co.5:7). They come so completely under the dominion of grace, that persistence in sin would only increase the outflowing of favor (Ro.6:1). We are beyond the sphere of condemnation (Ro.8:1). The Hebrews were never introduced into such grace as this, for their destiny is the kingdom.
Blessings.
Hi,
Hebrews is written to the saved of Israel.
They listened to the son of God.
The rest chose not to.The saved of Israel and of the gentiles are one in Christ with each other,
and with all in Christ even now.Nick.
Wrong again, the saved are the “ecclesia”, where one is niether Jew or gentile, those chosen of God. Hebrews is for the unrepented Jews. Who will be in favour once again when the “new Covenant” is made with them, Heb.8:8-12 prophesied also in Jer.31:31.Your welcome.
Hi,
Written to those hebrews who did listen to the Son of God.
Heb1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hi ,
Many of the Jews did reject the message but God took a remnant crop.
Many too repented after his death and were added to the saved.
The body of Christ comprises all the saved then and now-ONE.
Romans 9:24
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.Adam….You are of Israel, you are the Israel of God, there is neither Jew or Greek in that family . We are a Royal Family a Kingdom of Priests an Holy Nation. But the rest of Israel and even gentiles are not at this time. The elect are. The book of Hebrews was address to the Hebrew nation as a whole to show them the new covenant, and new way God was dealing with them now.
Adam it all applicable to all of God's people, but it was specifically address to the Hebrews.
that why it's the book to the Hebrews.IMO…..gene
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