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Hi GM,
He is faithful. But if we deny our master he too will deny us.
But we must maintain our relationship with the true vine
and let God's Spirit produce a crop useful to Him.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2008,14:59) Hi GM,
He is faithful. But if we deny our master he too will deny us.
But we must maintain our relationship with the true vine
and let God's Spirit produce a crop useful to Him.
Nick.1Ti.4:9-11 9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.
Notice the last sentance?Blessings.
Hi,
In CONTEXT
1Tim46 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
8For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
11These things command and teach.
Christ is not one with heathen mankind.
They are not the brethren to be taught.Nick.
And a little more of Tim.4, to add to the context. 10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching. I repeat this because you have a shor and selective memory.And also… Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus,
6 Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all (the testimony in its own eras). Notice, “ransom for ALL”.15 Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all welcome, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Not just to try, but to do.
2 Tim.1:9 …in accord with the power of God,
9 Who saves us and calls us with a holy calling, not in accord with our acts, but in accord with His own purpose and the grace which is given to us in Christ Jesus before times eonian,
Notice, “not in accord with OUR ACTS, but in accord with His own purpose…There are many more, but I'm sure showing you scripture won't change your mind, “God hardens all, that He may be meryfull to all”.
Blessings.
Blessings.
Hi GM,
Nonsense.
It is the foundation stone of universalism misunderstood by them to mean eternal salvation.
Man has a sin problem. Jesus Christ was given as a mediator and in him is forgiveness.Nick.
You have a problem, it seems you're blind and can't see truth. “God hardens all, that He may have mercy on all”
Hang in there Nick, God will open your eyes eventually.Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2008,12:58) Hi ,
We have yet to see how believers are especially saved by God in 1 Tim4.
I am waiting also…let me show you how you are mistaken Brother Jerry…just read..I put these scriptures in a strategic order…one that shows GOD's past and future dealings with opposers of his will…read and see the TRUTHMatthew 8:29…29″What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
Isaiah 13:13..13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the LORD Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.Job 34:22… 22 There is no dark place, no deep shadow,
where evildoers can hide.Matthew 13:48…48When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.
2 Peter 2:12..12But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
Psalm 1:4..4 Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.Matthew 3:12…12His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Jude 1:12 … 12These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.
2 Peter 2:22…22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”[a]and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”
Matthew 25:32…32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
Matthew 23:33…33″You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Matthew 13:38…38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,
1 Corinthians 10:5…5Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
Revelation 1:7… 7Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.2 Peter 2:13… 13They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.[a]
Hebrews 10:25-31…If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 10:39…39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
2 Peter 2:20-22…20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”[a]and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud
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Quote (gollamudi @ July 10 2008,14:36) So what do you say on that verse whether all mankind will be saved by God?
The above post is directed to GM's question here and Jerry who proposes the ideaDK….God has concluded (ALL) under SIN that He might Have MERCY ON ALL> not just some little picky group. And if you truly understood the meaning of (GRACE) then know the process by which God will save ALL. For we are (SAVED) by GRACE and that (NOT) of yourself, it is a (GIFT) of GOD. But your theology has GOD requiring the person to save themselves and work through the medium of fear, But what does it say, BUT you brethren have (NOT) came to that mountain to fear as they did, but have come unto that Holy City whose BUILDER and (MAKER) is GOD. Guess who is that HOLY CITY whose builder and maker is God (its us who believe and trust in GOD. Nothing is perfected in fear for fear has torment, and perfect love cast out fear, are you casting out fear or casting in fear? You mix the unconverted with the converted in your quotations, the yet unsaved with the saved.
Fear not my sheep it is your Fathers good pleasure to give you the Kingdom. But the fearful who are the unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire. tell me this would you want a Doctor to work on you who was fearful and trembling while operating on you>? Do you think God wants his children to walk around like a shaking bowl of Jello or are we to come boldly before the throne of GRACE . Fear mongers are not true believers or walk by Faith. They are always in doubt of their salvation and do not truly believe. That God is able to forgive and cleans them from (ALL) unrighteousness as it says.
imo……gene
Hi dk.
Thanks for your explanation doubting the “salvation of all”. Most of the scripture you quote, except one, are from the OT and the four gospels, which are for Israel, still under the law and the old covenant. Their exclusion was from “the Kingdom”, if they disobeyed the laws. This kingdom was an earthly kingdom, the promised land. Their rejection, and crucifiction of their Messiah, also even after He had risen, led to God setting Them aside and turned to the gentiles. (Acts.13:46). So scripture from there is never 'eternal separation from God'. The one scripture from Pauls epistles, 1Cor.10:5 5 “But not in the majority of them does God delight, for they were strewn along in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became types of us, for us not to be lusters after evil things”, certainly doesn't mean eternal separation from God.
I am copying and pasting the first chapter of Ephesians, (Concordant version), which when read carefully explains Gods' plan, which is all pedestined, for Him to be “ALL IN ALL”. Not just some.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 11 2008,06:20) DK….God has concluded (ALL) under SIN that He might Have MERCY ON ALL> not just some little picky group. And if you truly understood the meaning of (GRACE) then know the process by which God will save ALL. For we are (SAVED) by GRACE and that (NOT) of yourself, it is a (GIFT) of GOD. But your theology has GOD requiring the person to save themselves and work through the medium of fear, But what does it say, BUT you brethren have (NOT) came to that mountain to fear as they did, but have come unto that Holy City whose BUILDER and (MAKER) is GOD. Guess who is that HOLY CITY whose builder and maker is God (its us who believe and trust in GOD. Nothing is perfected in fear for fear has torment, and perfect love cast out fear, are you casting out fear or casting in fear? You mix the unconverted with the converted in your quotations, the yet unsaved with the saved. Fear not my sheep it is your Fathers good pleasure to give you the Kingdom. But the fearful who are the unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire. tell me this would you want a Doctor to work on you who was fearful and trembling while operating on you>? Do you think God wants his children to walk around like a shaking bowl of Jello or are we to come boldly before the throne of GRACE . Fear mongers are not true believers or walk by Faith. They are always in doubt of their salvation and do not truly believe. That God is able to forgive and cleans them from (ALL) unrighteousness as it says.
imo……gene
No brother Jerry…we can not save ourselves…John 6:44 tells us that…I am saying that not all will be saved…Judgement for the opposers of God is real..if not..then what is all the judgement talk about..I just gave you a page full of scriptures that show the results of opposing God…What is your interpretation of the scriptures I gave you in hebrews?
They are the last couple of scriptures quoted..
Quote (chosenone @ July 11 2008,07:02) Hi dk.
Thanks for your explanation doubting the “salvation of all”. Most of the scripture you quote, except one, are from the OT and the four gospels, which are for Israel, still under the law and the old covenant. Their exclusion was from “the Kingdom”, if they disobeyed the laws. This kingdom was an earthly kingdom, the promised land. Their rejection, and crucifiction of their Messiah, also even after He had risen, led to God setting Them aside and turned to the gentiles. (Acts.13:46). So scripture from there is never 'eternal separation from God'. The one scripture from Pauls epistles, 1Cor.10:5 5 “But not in the majority of them does God delight, for they were strewn along in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became types of us, for us not to be lusters after evil things”, certainly doesn't mean eternal separation from God.
I am copying and pasting the first chapter of Ephesians, (Concordant version), which when read carefully explains Gods' plan, which is all pedestined, for Him to be “ALL IN ALL”. Not just some.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.God Bless, Jerry.
Brother Jerry..you have a unique take on scripture..I will say that
Well what about the scriptures at Hebrews and 2 peter
For the record..I just read thru Ephesians Last month…and the first Chapter is referring to the Body of Christ
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