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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,06:38) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,11:31) * As for the Matthew quote I'm not sure if the author recalled it that was as there was a tendency to find justification for the new wines by using the old habits of scriptural authority.
Do you think Matthew 26:54 is the only place where Jesus told the shocked disciples that he came to be handed over and killed?
No, but you say that's why he came, as a sin offering.It does not surprise me that the death and resurrection “eclipsed” the life of public teaching wherein Jesus had already been triumphant over the flesh. The apostles response to Jesus when he announced that he was leaving, that he was going into Jerusalem to be killed suggest that they didn't understand, they were in denial. The death and resurrection was merely the final act in obedience to the fathers requirement for the Son to achieve sovereignty.
It also seems plausible that these Jewish followers of Jesus, who had been taught to practice blood sacrifice as a sin offering to God, would “interpret” the cross the way that they did.
Mike, has the atonement doctrine ever bothered you?
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 23 2012,11:46) Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,04:04) Quote (Colter @ July 23 2012,10:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,03:26) And where is this Kingdom, Colter? How do we, as human beings, attain to it? And was the sacrifice of Jesus necessary for us to enter? Did he really die to atone for our sins?
The original gospel of Jesus was salvation via faith, spiritual transformation. The spiritual kingdom was comprised of the community of believers in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of ALL mankind.You and I are in the kingdom, we are spirit born believers in God.
Unfortunately the institutional Christian Church became a substitute for the kingdom concept taught and practiced by Jesus although Jesus has fostered the social church as the best exponent of his life work on earth.
No, Jesus wasn't a sacrifice, he taught that faith and personal transformation is what was required for salvation; a whole soul, total life commitment to seek and do the will of God. The Pagans, who ultimately merged with the evolving Church, already had an atonement doctrine. The original gospel of the kingdom of heaven morphed into the gospel of blood sacrifice and the resurrection.
The primary focus of the original gospel was doing the will of the Father, the primary focus of Christianity is Jesus, his life, his blood sacrifice, resurrection and as redeemer of the church.
The real gospel of the kingdom of heaven has yet to be proclaimed to the world.
Colter
HEB 11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.
1PE 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
2PE 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
1JN 5:19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Your faith in the Satan God is as strong as ever.Colter
would your answer mean that you are not of God ,and so not a disciple of his son Jesus Christ
?Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,14:48) The death and resurrection was merely the final act in obedience to the fathers requirement for the Son to achieve sovereignty.
You seem to think Jesus didn't come as a sin offering, but then say he was obeying his Father and fulfilling a requirement when he died.Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,14:48) Mike, has the atonement doctrine ever bothered you?
You mean the fact that God so loved us that He was willing to sacrifice His own Son to atone for our sins so that He could once more be righteous in ever calling any of us righteous?It doesn't bother me, but shows me how much God and His Son love us.
Hi Colter:
That there are many Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah is true, but nation of Israel exists as a nation again since 1948 so that the gospel can be preached to them as a nation again prior to the return of the Messiah for the church, and the nation also exists again because of end time events which will usher in the re-building of the temple and the advent of the Anti-Christ who will show himself to be God, and all who are alive and not saved will worship him as God.
Daniel 9 is not vague, but if the math is done, it shows precisely when Jesus ministry began, and also tells us of the destruction of the temple which was carried out by Titus in 70AD, and you can forget about Nostradamus, he is not a prophet of God.
And just because the wrath of God has not come, does not mean that it will not come. There is a day of judgment coming. I will just quote a few scriptures for you to ponder:
Jesus stated:
Quote Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
Quote 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Quote 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 ¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Quote Rev 6:12 ¶ And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Quote Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
I hope that this is sufficient to convince you. Personally, I don't want to be left behind when the Lord comes for the church.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,09:11) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,14:48) The death and resurrection was merely the final act in obedience to the fathers requirement for the Son to achieve sovereignty.
You seem to think Jesus didn't come as a sin offering, but then say he was obeying his Father and fulfilling a requirement when he died.Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,14:48) Mike, has the atonement doctrine ever bothered you?
You mean the fact that God so loved us that He was willing to sacrifice His own Son to atone for our sins so that He could once more be righteous in ever calling any of us righteous?It doesn't bother me, but shows me how much God and His Son love us.
Then Jesus himself didn't get the memo because he gives his enemies every opportunity to repent and accept his Gospel and respond to their calling.In the woes Jesus is condeming the murder of the prophets:
29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets(AC) and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.(AD) 32 Go ahead, then, and complete(AE) what your ancestors started!(AF)
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah,whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.
Matthew 23:37
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
On the cross:
“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are
doing.”These are all in direct contradiction to the Pagan remix, to the idea that Jesus knew he was some sort of sick sacrifice so that God could finally forgive.
……“forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”
God has always been forgiving; Jesus makes the way more clear. Jesus reveals the loving, forgiving nature of God the Father, for to see Jesus is to see the Father.
Man is self centered; he tends to think in terms of his own shame. It is easier to believe in blood sacrifice then to actually confess, repent and change the wrong behavior.
Colter
Quote (942767 @ July 23 2012,10:11) Hi Colter: That there are many Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah is true, but nation of Israel exists as a nation again since 1948 so that the gospel can be preached to them as a nation again prior to the return of the Messiah for the church, and the nation also exists again because of end time events which will usher in the re-building of the temple and the advent of the Anti-Christ who will show himself to be God, and all who are alive and not saved will worship him as God.
Daniel 9 is not vague, but if the math is done, it shows precisely when Jesus ministry began, and also tells us of the destruction of the temple which was carried out by Titus in 70AD, and you can forget about Nostradamus, he is not a prophet of God.
And just because the wrath of God has not come, does not mean that it will not come. There is a day of judgment coming. I will just quote a few scriptures for you to ponder:
Jesus stated:
Quote Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
Quote 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Quote 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 ¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Quote Rev 6:12 ¶ And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Quote Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
I hope that this is sufficient to convince you. Personally, I don't want to be left behind when the Lord comes for the church.
Love in Christ,
Marty
* Israel exists becuase of what happened in WWII, the Western nations set up Israel for them to protect them. Its just a nation like any other nation. When the OT was rewritten during the Babylonion captivity, the elite preist exagerated Hebrew history which helped to misslead the Jews then and misslead Christinas now.* The antichrist is simply a spirit, that has been exagerated into more crazy fear based nonsence! Jesus alluded to false prophets and enimies
of his gospel of love, nothing new.“but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”
* Jesus foretold that becuase he was rejected and killed the Jews lost their place. He told of the days of Gentile vengence, warning the apostles to get out. You see, the arrogant, self important Jews had baddly treated the Gentile world, people finally had enough of their crap and sacked Jerusalem. Now It's just a museaum to a broken promise.
* Wrath will never come, thats a primative, man made idea for dealling with revenge. Whenever man self destructs, the loving God is there to take him in. No smashing and burning down things, no lakes of fire, God dosn't send plauges and bugs.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,17:13) These are all in direct contradiction to the Pagan remix…………
Not they're not, Colter. Why would you say they are?Read the parable of the tenants again. God knew He was sending His Son to the very ones who had already killed the first servants He sent.
In the parable that Jesus taught, what happens to the son when he is finally sent?
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,17:50) * Wrath will never come, thats a primative, man made idea for dealling with revenge. Whenever man self destructs, the loving God is there to take him in. No smashing and burning down things, no lakes of fire, God dosn't send plauges and bugs.
Colter,I'm sad to see how this book has caused you to not only preach a different Jesus, but nullify the very scriptures.
Deuteronomy 32:35
It is mine to avenge; I will repay.I believe this scripture, and it is clear you don't. It seems that believing the things written in your bible requires us to believe our Bible is full of lies. I won't do that, and am saddened to know that you did.
colter
Quote “but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” * Jesus foretold that becuase he was rejected and killed the Jews lost their place. He told of the days of Gentile vengence, warning the apostles to get out. You see, the arrogant, self important Jews had baddly treated the Gentile world, people finally had enough of their crap and sacked Jerusalem. Now It's just a museaum to a broken promise.
* Wrath will never come, thats a primative, man made idea for dealling with revenge. Whenever man self destructs, the loving God is there to take him in. No smashing and burning down things, no lakes of fire, God dosn't send plauges and bugs.
Pay attention to the following scriptures they can show you were you stand ;;
Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,10:52) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,17:13) These are all in direct contradiction to the Pagan remix…………
Not they're not, Colter. Why would you say they are?Read the parable of the tenants again. God knew He was sending His Son to the very ones who had already killed the first servants He sent.
In the parable that Jesus taught, what happens to the son when he is finally sent?
Colter
To follow your logic to it's conclusion you are saying that the master of the house, who planted the vineyard wanted his servants to be killed, that he wanted his son to be rejected and killed. The parable was an indignant of the maltreatment and rejection of Gods servants, his mercy.Do you guys even think about what you say? really?
Jesus allowed himself to be killed as an act of astonishing love. He already had the power to lay down his life, and the power to take it up again. He proved life after death. He experienced what it's like to be human and die. There is a completely different meaning then the Pagan doctrine of human sacrifice.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2012,10:59) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,17:50) * Wrath will never come, thats a primative, man made idea for dealling with revenge. Whenever man self destructs, the loving God is there to take him in. No smashing and burning down things, no lakes of fire, God dosn't send plauges and bugs.
Colter,I'm sad to see how this book has caused you to not only preach a different Jesus, but nullify the very scriptures.
Deuteronomy 32:35
It is mine to avenge; I will repay.I believe this scripture, and it is clear you don't. It seems that believing the things written in your bible requires us to believe our Bible is full of lies. I won't do that, and am saddened to know that you did.
I find it equally sad that you, by default:* support the betrayal of Jesus; in your unthinking theology Judas was doing Gods will.
* support an unjust trial
* support the brutality of the guards
* support the hellish murder of an innocent man.
You have somehow overlooked the gospel of spiritual transformation that people had been hearing, believing, being forgiven in and saved by.
“In vain do they worship me, teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.”
Colter
Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,11:08) colter Quote “but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” * Jesus foretold that becuase he was rejected and killed the Jews lost their place. He told of the days of Gentile vengence, warning the apostles to get out. You see, the arrogant, self important Jews had baddly treated the Gentile world, people finally had enough of their crap and sacked Jerusalem. Now It's just a museaum to a broken promise.
* Wrath will never come, thats a primative, man made idea for dealling with revenge. Whenever man self destructs, the loving God is there to take him in. No smashing and burning down things, no lakes of fire, God dosn't send plauges and bugs.
Pay attention to the following scriptures they can show you were you stand ;;
Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Eve decided to do her will instead of Gods will, she lost the use of the tree of life.There is a much bigger story then the fragments of the Bible, more has been revealed.
The wages of sin is death.
To completely embrace sin and reject salvation is death.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 23 2012,19:40) Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,11:08) colter Quote “but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” * Jesus foretold that becuase he was rejected and killed the Jews lost their place. He told of the days of Gentile vengence, warning the apostles to get out. You see, the arrogant, self important Jews had baddly treated the Gentile world, people finally had enough of their crap and sacked Jerusalem. Now It's just a museaum to a broken promise.
* Wrath will never come, thats a primative, man made idea for dealling with revenge. Whenever man self destructs, the loving God is there to take him in. No smashing and burning down things, no lakes of fire, God dosn't send plauges and bugs.
Pay attention to the following scriptures they can show you were you stand ;;
Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Eve decided to do her will instead of Gods will, she lost the use of the tree of life.There is a much bigger story then the fragments of the Bible, more has been revealed.
The wages of sin is death.
To completely embrace sin and reject salvation is death.
Colter
colterwhat happen to EVE is happening every day to all men and women alike ,in many different ways ,but always for the same purpose ,
if you did not figured this out yet
then you are far beind in understanding Hi Colter:
In my personal testimony, I was raised a Catholic and was taught about God as a Child, and I was married in the Assembly of God church, and was a member of a Southern Baptist church when I had my conversion experience. I had become an agnostic not knowing whether or not God existed.
When my wife was going to leave me and take my son with her, in February 1980, I turned to the Lord in prayer because I did not want to lose my son. I prayed to God saying “Lord if you are there, I don't want to lose my family, but nevertheless, not my will but your will be done. He revealed Himself to me by baptizing me with the Holy Spirit. My wife left me for three months, but she came back to me and this coming January we will have been married 48 years. Two years ago, she also was born again. My son is not saved at this time, but God spoke to me audibly sometime after my conversion experience showing me that he would be saved, and so, I know that he will be saved.
I have shared this testimony with you hoping to convince you that the bible is the Word of God and that God's testimony regarding His Son is true.
This from the scriptures:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Quote Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 ¶ And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,13:24) Quote (Colter @ July 23 2012,19:40) Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,11:08) colter Quote “but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” * Jesus foretold that becuase he was rejected and killed the Jews lost their place. He told of the days of Gentile vengence, warning the apostles to get out. You see, the arrogant, self important Jews had baddly treated the Gentile world, people finally had enough of their crap and sacked Jerusalem. Now It's just a museaum to a broken promise.
* Wrath will never come, thats a primative, man made idea for dealling with revenge. Whenever man self destructs, the loving God is there to take him in. No smashing and burning down things, no lakes of fire, God dosn't send plauges and bugs.
Pay attention to the following scriptures they can show you were you stand ;;
Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Eve decided to do her will instead of Gods will, she lost the use of the tree of life.There is a much bigger story then the fragments of the Bible, more has been revealed.
The wages of sin is death.
To completely embrace sin and reject salvation is death.
Colter
colterwhat happen to EVE is happening every day to all men and women alike ,in many different ways ,but always for the same purpose ,
if you did not figured this out yet
then you are far beind in understanding
True, every day people can turn to God or turn away.The Urantia revelation has given us much more information about who Adam and Eve were, they were not mere mortal sons of God, they were high celestial administrators who had come to a populated, fallen world.
* The creation story was based on the remnants of a 39,000 year old oral history story. The Hebrew alphabet is only about 900 years old.
* The 6 day creation story was actually derived from the 6 day process of the incarnation of Adam and Eve.
* In those ancient times the expected arrival of Adam and Eve was just as anticipated as the expectation of the Son of Man, Jesus.
* The “crafty beast”, in reality the fallen planetary administrator who preceded Adam and Eve by 500,000 years, he was still on the earth and succeeded in out flanking Eve by convincing Eve that she could speed up the rehabilitation of the world if she mated with a mortal and injected her superior genetics into the degenerate human population. Eve combined her good intentions with Gods perfect will; she mixed good with evil. Cain was the product of her sin.
* Remember, the world had already fallen, the beast was already evil, all of the previous plans for our world had been thwarted thus leaving the planet in disarray.
* The earth has a much much older history then is contained in the Hebrew history. They didn't know any better, and the DID NOT claim to be writing “Gods word”.
* People confuse the writings about the doings of God, about Gods word, for Gods word itself.
Colter
Quote Hi Colter: In my personal testimony, I was raised a Catholic and was taught about God as a Child, and I was married in the Assembly of God church, and was a member of a Southern Baptist church when I had my conversion experience. I had become an agnostic not knowing whether or not God existed.
When my wife was going to leave me and take my son with her, in February 1980, I turned to the Lord in prayer because I did not want to lose my son. I prayed to God saying “Lord if you are there, I don't want to lose my family, but nevertheless, not my will but your will be done. He revealed Himself to me by baptizing me with the Holy Spirit. My wife left me for three months, but she came back to me and this coming January we will have been married 48 years. Two years ago, she also was born again. My son is not saved at this time, but God spoke to me audibly sometime after my conversion experience showing me that he would be saved, and so, I know that he will be saved.
I have shared this testimony with you hoping to convince you that the bible is the Word of God and that God's testimony regarding His Son is true.
Hi Marty,
Thanks for sharing your rebirth story; I was also born again of the spirit on April 28, 1985. My rebirth happened completely outside of Christendom. It was then that I began my search for greater understanding of history, religion, “Gods living word” etc.
When a sports writer writes a story about a sports game, the report >itselfthe game<, it's a story about the game.
When a story is retold, human imperfection, motive, bias, all these come into play. We are then hearing a story second hand; the story is limited by the pinch of the authors perspective, his perceptions, potential distortion of how facts were gathered, remembered. Back in the day when stories weren’t protected by a copywrite, preserved on hard drives etc. the potential for later editing (with good intentions) was then a more serious threat to the original story.
I believe the “word of God” is living, I believe the Bible is a collection of books of varying quality of accuracy about the word of God. The Bible does not claim to be the word of God, church authorities use that concept to control, then believers also do the same thing.
What happens then is that when the human mind encounters outrageous stories and inconsistencies within the books of the Bible they are manipulated into thinking that the problem is that they lack faith in Gods word. They learn not to trust their own common sense. For instance, people don't believe the flood story because it sound true, or even plausible, they believe it because it's in the Bible. If the Bible said the world was flat then they would believe that to….because it's in the fetish book.
Colter
Hi Colter,
The bible doesn't say things that are not true (as you suppose).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 23 2012,23:55) Hi Colter, The bible doesn't say things that are not true (as you suppose).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed J,For you the Bible is God, it is an idol representing God, so you are forbidden from being honest about factual inaccuracies, if you suspected there were any. For you any seeming inconsistencies are a failure on your part, not the Bible, because for you God wrote the Bible.
I understand your dilemma, I think you are a good and faithful person believing what you think is right.
If what I know is true and you realized it all in one setting then you would be devastated, it may hurt you not help you. For some people they have lost faith altogether because they find out that the Bible books are not perfect. That actually is common among biblical scholars.
The problem starts with the faulty foundation of putting faith/trust in the book, instead of faith/trust in the God who’s doings inspired the writings of the books.
EVOLUTION OF THE FETISH
88:2.1 It was a supposed preference of ghosts to indwell some object which had belonged to them when alive in the flesh. This belief explains the efficacy of many modern relics. The ancients always revered the bones of their leaders, and the skeletal remains of saints and heroes are still regarded with superstitious awe by many. Even today, pilgrimages are made to the tombs of great men.
88:2.2 Belief in relics is an outgrowth of the ancient fetish cult. The relics of modern religions represent an attempt to rationalize the fetish of the savage and thus elevate it to a place of dignity and respectability in the modern religious systems. It is heathenish to believe in fetishes and magic but supposedly all right to accept relics and miracles.
88:2.3 The hearth—fireplace—became more or less of a fetish, a sacred spot. The shrines and temples were at first fetish places because the dead were buried there. The fetish hut of the Hebrews was elevated by Moses to that place where it harbored a superfetish, the then existent concept of the law of God. But the Israelites never gave up the peculiar Canaanite belief in the stone altar: “And this stone which I have set up as a pillar shall be God's house.” They truly believed that the spirit of their God dwelt in such stone altars, which were in reality fetishes.
88:2.4 The earliest images were made to preserve the appearance and memory of the illustrious dead; they were really monuments. Idols were a refinement of fetishism. The primitives believed that a ceremony of consecration caused the spirit to enter the image; likewise, when certain objects were blessed, they became charms.
88:2.5 Moses, in the addition of the second commandment to the ancient Dalamatian moral code, made an effort to control fetish worship among the Hebrews. He carefully directed that they should make no sort of image that might become consecrated as a fetish. He made it plain, “You shall not make a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or on the earth beneath, or in the waters of the earth.” While this commandment did much to retard art among the Jews, it did lessen fetish worship. But Moses was too wise to attempt suddenly to displace the olden fetishes, and he therefore consented to the putting of certain relics alongside the law in the combined war altar and religious shrine which was the ark.
88:2.6 Words eventually became fetishes, more especially those which were regarded as God's words; in this way the sacred books of many religions have become fetishistic prisons incarcerating the spiritual imagination of man. Moses' very effort against fetishes became a supreme fetish; his commandment was later used to stultify art and to retard the enjoyment and adoration of the beautiful.
88:2.7 In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round.
88:2.8 The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism.
88:2.9 But it does represent real evolutionary progress to advance from the fetish fear of a savage chief's fingernail trimmings to the adoration of a superb collection of letters, laws, legends, allegories, myths, poems, and chronicles which, after all, reflect the winnowed moral wisdom of many centuries, at least up to the time and event of their being assembled as a “sacred book.”
88:2.10 To become fetishes, words had to be considered inspired, and the invocation of supposed divinely inspired writings led directly to the establishment of the authority of the church, while the evolution of civil forms led to the fruition of the authority of the state.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 24 2012,00:49) Quote (Ed J @ July 23 2012,23:55) Hi Colter, The bible doesn't say things that are not true (as you suppose).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed J,For you the Bible is God, it is an idol representing God, so you are forbidden from being honest about factual inaccuracies, if you suspected there were any. For you any seeming inconsistencies are a failure on your part, not the Bible, because for you God wrote the Bible.
I understand your dilemma, I think you are a good and faithful person believing what you think is right.
If what I know is true and you realized it all in one setting then you would be devastated, it may hurt you not help you. For some people they have lost faith altogether because they find out that the Bible books are not perfect. That actually is common among biblical scholars.
The problem starts with the faulty foundation of putting faith/trust in the book, instead of faith/trust in the God who’s doings inspired the writings of the books.
EVOLUTION OF THE FETISH
88:2.1 It was a supposed preference of ghosts to indwell some object which had belonged to them when alive in the flesh. This belief explains the efficacy of many modern relics. The ancients always revered the bones of their leaders, and the skeletal remains of saints and heroes are still regarded with superstitious awe by many. Even today, pilgrimages are made to the tombs of great men.
88:2.2 Belief in relics is an outgrowth of the ancient fetish cult. The relics of modern religions represent an attempt to rationalize the fetish of the savage and thus elevate it to a place of dignity and respectability in the modern religious systems. It is heathenish to believe in fetishes and magic but supposedly all right to accept relics and miracles.
88:2.3 The hearth—fireplace—became more or less of a fetish, a sacred spot. The shrines and temples were at first fetish places because the dead were buried there. The fetish hut of the Hebrews was elevated by Moses to that place where it harbored a superfetish, the then existent concept of the law of God. But the Israelites never gave up the peculiar Canaanite belief in the stone altar: “And this stone which I have set up as a pillar shall be God's house.” They truly believed that the spirit of their God dwelt in such stone altars, which were in reality fetishes.
88:2.4 The earliest images were made to preserve the appearance and memory of the illustrious dead; they were really monuments. Idols were a refinement of fetishism. The primitives believed that a ceremony of consecration caused the spirit to enter the image; likewise, when certain objects were blessed, they became charms.
88:2.5 Moses, in the addition of the second commandment to the ancient Dalamatian moral code, made an effort to control fetish worship among the Hebrews. He carefully directed that they should make no sort of image that might become consecrated as a fetish. He made it plain, “You shall not make a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or on the earth beneath, or in the waters of the earth.” While this commandment did much to retard art among the Jews, it did lessen fetish worship. But Moses was too wise to attempt suddenly to displace the olden fetishes, and he therefore consented to the putting of certain relics alongside the law in the combined war altar and religious shrine which was the ark.
88:2.6 Words eventually became fetishes, more especially those which were regarded as God's words; in this way the sacred books of many religions have become fetishistic prisons incarcerating the spiritual imagination of man. Moses' very effort against fetishes became a supreme fetish; his commandment was later used to stultify art and to retard the enjoyment and adoration of the beautiful.
88:2.7 In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round.
88:2.8 The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism.
88:2.9 But it does represent real evolutionary progress to advance from the fetish fear of a savage chief's fingernail trimmings to the adoration of a superb collection of letters, laws, legends, allegories, myths, poems, and chronicles which, after all, reflect the winnowed moral wisdom of many centuries, at least up to the time and event of their being assembled as a “sacred book.”
88:2.10 To become fetishes, words had to be considered inspired, and the invocation of supposed divinely inspired writings led directly to the establishment of the authority of the church, while the evolution of civil forms led to the fruition of the authority of the state.
Colter
Colter.The U.B. is your god you are worshippping a book.
The king james bible is perfect,I can find no contradictions,therefore nothing needs to be changed.
If you can see contradictions,that is only because you have not manage to understand the book. (you need changing,not the book).wakeup.
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