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Quote Colter. To ambrace your doctrine,one have to disregard the holy bible.One can not just pick and choose some scriptures,to satisfy our own believes.
To disregard the word of God, inspired by the Holy spirit,is therefore disregarding Jesus.
He came to the world to give light to the world,but the world comprehend it not,for the world is in darkness.And still is.God said in Jeremiah.''The land is desolate''.
There is a hunger,but not of bread,but of the word of God.
He also said,'' My people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.No knowledge; no foundation to stand on in times of triulations.
But when Christ will rule in his kingdom,knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth,for satan is bound for a thousand years,and then let loose, to do his work for a season.
To gather the non believers into one one place,then all of them cast into the lake of fire;This is the second death.wakeup.
To me one of the most awful lines of theological thinking is the theory that God works with Satan to do evil things. I find the idea that Satan will be bound for 1,000 years but then let out is just offensive!
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,07:29) Quote Colter. To ambrace your doctrine,one have to disregard the holy bible.One can not just pick and choose some scriptures,to satisfy our own believes.
To disregard the word of God, inspired by the Holy spirit,is therefore disregarding Jesus.
He came to the world to give light to the world,but the world comprehend it not,for the world is in darkness.And still is.God said in Jeremiah.''The land is desolate''.
There is a hunger,but not of bread,but of the word of God.
He also said,'' My people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.No knowledge; no foundation to stand on in times of triulations.
But when Christ will rule in his kingdom,knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth,for satan is bound for a thousand years,and then let loose, to do his work for a season.
To gather the non believers into one one place,then all of them cast into the lake of fire;This is the second death.wakeup.
To me one of the most awful lines of theological thinking is the theory that God works with Satan to do evil things. I find the idea that Satan will be bound for 1,000 years but then let out is just offensive!
Colter
Colter.I can truly understand how you feel and how offencive it sounds to you.
This is because you have not fully grasp God and his great plan.Let me quote some scriptures for you:
Isiah 45:7. I form the light,and create darkness:
I make peace,and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.Isiah 54:16. behold,I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Lament.3:38. Out of the mouth of the Most high,proceedeth not evil and good?
Amos.3:6. Shall a trumpet be blown in a city,and the people be not afraid? Shall there be evil in a city,and the Lord hath not done it?
exodus 4:11. And the Lord said unto him; Who hath made mans mouth? or who maketh the dumb,or the deaf,or the seeing,or the blind? have not I the Lord?
Ecclesiastes 3:10.I have seen the travail,which God hath given to men TO BE EXERCISED in it.
If God can not do all these things,then he can not do everything; he is limited.
As long as one can not understand why God does all these things,one does not know God fully.
His works are wonderfull but still a great mystery to the majority.wakeup.
Colter: you are a nice guy,but the world has filled your seeking mind with the wrong food.
seek the scriptures with all your heart and you will find the truth. Christ came not for the ones with understanding,but for the lost.The sick needs the physician,not the healthy.wakeup.
The Bible demonstrates a layered, shifting, human speculation about Gods plan. It contradicts itself as a consistent Book becuase its not one book as Bible idol worshippers proclaim.
Example:
2 Samuel dates to about 625 BC. In that day it was believed that God made everything happen, good or bad.
2 Samuel 24:1
24 Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”
200 years later, when Chronicles was written, the authors didn't dare blame Yahweh. The hebrew concept of God was still evolving.
1 Chronicles 21
21 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2 So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan. Then report back to me so that I may know how many there are.”
Bible worshippers often claim some sort of “special insight” they have to unlock some secrets. That only they have the right way.
Colter
BROUGHT OVER FROM THE 1 JOHN 5:20 THREAD
Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,21:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2012,12:42) I don't believe Jesus “entered into” Mary's son at all, nor does the Bible suggest such a thing. The Bible teaches that Jesus was existing in the spirit form of God, but then was MADE INTO a human being. He did not ENTER a human being, but BECAME one.
Ok then, was he no longer divine in your opinion? I think he was bothe human and divine. I think at death he returned to what he was before but returned three days later in the likeness of Jesus. I don't believe in the floating space man temp God theory.Colter
How does either of our understandings make a distinction about whether or not he was divine on earth?
I believe when he died, his spirit went to the God who gave it, and his soul went to Hades.
Hi Mike,
What are you calling “his soul”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2012,12:07) BROUGHT OVER FROM THE 1 JOHN 5:20 THREAD Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,21:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2012,12:42) I don't believe Jesus “entered into” Mary's son at all, nor does the Bible suggest such a thing. The Bible teaches that Jesus was existing in the spirit form of God, but then was MADE INTO a human being. He did not ENTER a human being, but BECAME one.
Ok then, was he no longer divine in your opinion? I think he was bothe human and divine. I think at death he returned to what he was before but returned three days later in the likeness of Jesus. I don't believe in the floating space man temp God theory.Colter
How does either of our understandings make a distinction about whether or not he was divine on earth?
I believe when he died, his spirit went to the God who gave it, and his soul went to Hades.
He claimed divinity while on earth in the BibleIn the UB he was most certainly divine, before, during and after.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,20:03) He claimed divinity while on earth in the Bible.
I don't know of that scripture off hand, but how would a divine being BECOMING flesh prohibit him from being divine?Like I said, neither of our understandings make a distinction on this matter, so I'm not sure why you would ask that question.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2012,13:05) Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,20:03) He claimed divinity while on earth in the Bible.
I don't know of that scripture off hand, but how would a divine being BECOMING flesh prohibit him from being divine?Like I said, neither of our understandings make a distinction on this matter, so I'm not sure why you would ask that question.
Ok, I forgot what the point was of that. To me the divine mind of Jesus never died, it was still conscious and operative during the time in the tomb and returned in the likeness of Jesus.btw, I enjoy exchanging with you as you have a peaceful and reasonable demeanour.
Colter
Quote Jesus is the messiah; are you saying that you do not believe this? No, Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah, he didn't do what the Messiah was to do. The problem wasn't Jesus, the problem was how erroneous, racial centric, nationalistic way that concept evolved within Judaism.
The Jews have had 2,000 years to review the scripture, they also don't believe the scripture.
Colter
Quote Jesus is the messiah; are you saying that you do not believe this? No, Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah, he didn't do what the Messiah was to do. The problem wasn't Jesus, the problem was how that erroneous, racial centric, nationalistic concept evolved within Judaism.
The Jews have had 2,000 years to review the scripture, they also don't believe Jesus was their Messiah.
sorry, can't edit
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,13:30) Quote Jesus is the messiah; are you saying that you do not believe this?
No
Hi Colter,Jesus is called “the Christ”; do you not know Christ and Messiah are the same?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 17 2012,13:48) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,13:30) Quote Jesus is the messiah; are you saying that you do not believe this?
No
Hi Colter,Jesus is called “the Christ”; do you not know Christ and Messiah are the same?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I know that in the minds of his apostles they thought of himas the Messiah. Jesus tried to dissuade them from that false concept and it accompanying false hope. Jesus didn't go around telling people he was the Messiah, in fact he was the Son of God, he told the 12 to keep that a secret.Jesus was brilliantly diplomatic as he revealed the Father to mankind without reforming Judaism or founding Christianity.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,14:03)
I know that in the minds of his apostles they thought of him as the Messiah.
Jesus tried to dissuade them from that false concept and it accompanying false hope.Colter
Hi Colter,Oh yea? – where is this to be found?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 17 2012,14:10) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,14:03)
I know that in the minds of his apostles they thought of him as the Messiah.
Jesus tried to dissuade them from that false concept and it accompanying false hope.Colter
Hi Colter,Oh yea? – where is this to be found?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
In the UB,When he was young Jesus grappled with all these problems.
3. The Fifteenth Year (A.D. 9)
(1389.4) 126:3.1 By the middle of this fifteenth year — and we are reckoning time in accordance with the twentieth-century calendar, not by the Jewish year — Jesus had taken a firm grasp upon the management of his family. Before this year had passed, their savings had about disappeared, and they were face to face with the necessity of disposing of one of the Nazareth houses which Joseph and his neighbor Jacob owned in partnership.
(1389.5) 126:3.2 On Wednesday evening, April 17, A.D. 9, Ruth, the baby of the family, was born, and to the best of his ability Jesus endeavored to take the place of his father in comforting and ministering to his mother during this trying and peculiarly sad ordeal. For almost a score of years (until he began his public ministry) no father could have loved and nurtured his daughter any more affectionately and faithfully than Jesus cared for little Ruth. And he was an equally good father to all the other members of his family.
(1389.6) 126:3.3 During this year Jesus first formulated the prayer which he subsequently taught to his apostles, and which to many has become known as “The Lord’s Prayer.” In a way it was an evolution of the family altar; they had many forms of praise and several formal prayers. After his father’s death Jesus tried to teach the older children to express themselves individually in prayer — much as he so enjoyed doing — but they could not grasp his thought and would invariably fall back upon their memorized prayer forms. It was in this effort to stimulate his older brothers and sisters to say individual prayers that Jesus would endeavor to lead them along by suggestive phrases, and presently, without intention on his part, it developed that they were all using a form of prayer which was largely built up from these suggestive lines which Jesus had taught them.
(1389.7) 126:3.4 At last Jesus gave up the idea of having each member of the family formulate spontaneous prayers, and one evening in October he sat down by the little squat lamp on the low stone table, and, on a piece of smooth cedar board about eighteen inches square, with a piece of charcoal he wrote out the prayer which became from that time on the standard family petition.
(1389.8) 126:3.5 This year Jesus was much troubled with confused thinking. Family responsibility had quite effectively removed all thought of immediately carrying out any plan for responding to the Jerusalem visitation directing him to “be about his Father’s business.” Jesus rightly reasoned that the watchcare of his earthly father’s family must take precedence of all duties; that the support of his family must become his first obligation.
(1390.1) 126:3.6 In the course of this year Jesus found a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch which influenced him in the later adoption of the term “Son of Man” as a designation for his bestowal mission on Urantia. He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be that Messiah. He longed to help his father’s people, but he never expected to lead Jewish armies in overthrowing the foreign domination of Palestine. He knew he would never sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem. Neither did he believe that his mission was that of a spiritual deliverer or moral teacher solely to the Jewish people. In no sense, therefore, could his life mission be the fulfillment of the intense longings and supposed Messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures; at least, not as the Jews understood these predictions of the prophets. Likewise he was certain he was never to appear as the Son of Man depicted by the Prophet Daniel.
(1390.2) 126:3.7 But when the time came for him to go forth as a world teacher, what would he call himself? What claim should he make concerning his mission? By what name would he be called by the people who would become believers in his teachings?
(1390.3) 126:3.8 While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had been studying, this manuscript called “The Book of Enoch”; and though he was certain that it had not been written by Enoch of old, it proved very intriguing to him, and he read and reread it many times. There was one passage which particularly impressed him, a passage in which this term “Son of Man” appeared. The writer of this so-called Book of Enoch went on to tell about this Son of Man, describing the work he would do on earth and explaining that this Son of Man, before coming down on this earth to bring salvation to mankind, had walked through the courts of heavenly glory with his Father, the Father of all; and that he had turned his back upon all this grandeur and glory to come down on earth to proclaim salvation to needy mortals. As Jesus would read these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous), he responded in his heart and recognized in his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer, none was so near the truth as this story tucked away in this only partially accredited Book of Enoch; and he then and there decided to adopt as his inaugural title “the Son of Man.” And this he did when he subsequently began his public work. Jesus had an unerring ability for the recognition of truth, and truth he never hesitated to embrace, no matter from what source it appeared to emanate.
(1390.4) 126:3.9 By this time he had quite thoroughly settled many things about his forthcoming work for the world, but he said nothing of these matters to his mother, who still held stoutly to the idea of his being the Jewish Messiah.
(1390.5) 126:3.10 The great confusion of Jesus’ younger days now arose. Having settled something about the nature of his mission on earth, “to be about his Father’s business” — to show forth his Father’s loving nature to all mankind — he began to ponder anew the many statements in the Scriptures referring to the coming of a national deliverer, a Jewish teacher or king. To what event did these prophecies refer? Was not he a Jew? or was he? Was he or was he not of the house of David? His mother averred he was; his father had ruled that he was not. He decided he was not. But had the prophets confused the nature and mission of the Messiah?
(1391.1) 126:3.11 After all, could it be possible that his mother was right? In most matters, when differences of opinion had arisen in the past, she had been right. If he were a new teacher and not the Messiah, then how should he recognize the Jewish Messiah if such a one should appear in Jerusalem during the time of his earth mission; and, further, what should be his relation to this Jewish Me
ssiah? And what should be his relation, after embarking on his life mission, to his family? to the Jewish commonwealth and religion? to the Roman Empire? to the gentiles and their religions? Each of these momentous problems this young Galilean turned over in his mind and seriously pondered while he continued to work at the carpenter’s bench, laboriously making a living for himself, his mother, and eight other hungry mouths.(1391.2) 126:3.12 Before the end of this year Mary saw the family funds diminishing. She turned the sale of doves over to James. Presently they bought a second cow, and with the aid of Miriam they began the sale of milk to their Nazareth neighbors.
(1391.3) 126:3.13 His profound periods of meditation, his frequent journeys to the hilltop for prayer, and the many strange ideas which Jesus advanced from time to time, thoroughly alarmed his mother. Sometimes she thought the lad was beside himself, and then she would steady her fears, remembering that he was, after all, a child of promise and in some manner different from other youths.
(1391.4) 126:3.14 But Jesus was learning not to speak of all his thoughts, not to present all his ideas to the world, not even to his own mother. From this year on, Jesus’ disclosures about what was going on in his mind steadily diminished; that is, he talked less about those things which an average person could not grasp, and which would lead to his being regarded as peculiar or different from ordinary folks. To all appearances he became commonplace and conventional, though he did long for someone who could understand his problems. He craved a trustworthy and confidential friend, but his problems were too complex for his human associates to comprehend. The uniqueness of the unusual situation compelled him to bear his burdens alone.” UB
good night
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,14:25) Quote (Ed J @ July 17 2012,14:10) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,14:03)
I know that in the minds of his apostles they thought of him as the Messiah.
Jesus tried to dissuade them from that false concept and it accompanying false hope.Colter
Hi Colter,Oh yea? – where is this to be found?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
In the UB,
How convenient.Quote (Ed J @ July 17 2012,21:45) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,14:25) Quote (Ed J @ July 17 2012,14:10) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,14:03)
I know that in the minds of his apostles they thought of him as the Messiah.
Jesus tried to dissuade them from that false concept and it accompanying false hope.Colter
Hi Colter,Oh yea? – where is this to be found?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
In the UB,
How convenient.
What were you expecting boy???Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,21:25) Quote (Ed J @ July 17 2012,14:10) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,14:03)
I know that in the minds of his apostles they thought of him as the Messiah.
Jesus tried to dissuade them from that false concept and it accompanying false hope.Colter
Hi Colter,Oh yea? – where is this to be found?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
In the UB,When he was young Jesus grappled with all these problems.
3. The Fifteenth Year (A.D. 9)
(1389.4) 126:3.1 By the middle of this fifteenth year — and we are reckoning time in accordance with the twentieth-century calendar, not by the Jewish year — Jesus had taken a firm grasp upon the management of his family. Before this year had passed, their savings had about disappeared, and they were face to face with the necessity of disposing of one of the Nazareth houses which Joseph and his neighbor Jacob owned in partnership.
(1389.5) 126:3.2 On Wednesday evening, April 17, A.D. 9, Ruth, the baby of the family, was born, and to the best of his ability Jesus endeavored to take the place of his father in comforting and ministering to his mother during this trying and peculiarly sad ordeal. For almost a score of years (until he began his public ministry) no father could have loved and nurtured his daughter any more affectionately and faithfully than Jesus cared for little Ruth. And he was an equally good father to all the other members of his family.
(1389.6) 126:3.3 During this year Jesus first formulated the prayer which he subsequently taught to his apostles, and which to many has become known as “The Lord’s Prayer.” In a way it was an evolution of the family altar; they had many forms of praise and several formal prayers. After his father’s death Jesus tried to teach the older children to express themselves individually in prayer — much as he so enjoyed doing — but they could not grasp his thought and would invariably fall back upon their memorized prayer forms. It was in this effort to stimulate his older brothers and sisters to say individual prayers that Jesus would endeavor to lead them along by suggestive phrases, and presently, without intention on his part, it developed that they were all using a form of prayer which was largely built up from these suggestive lines which Jesus had taught them.
(1389.7) 126:3.4 At last Jesus gave up the idea of having each member of the family formulate spontaneous prayers, and one evening in October he sat down by the little squat lamp on the low stone table, and, on a piece of smooth cedar board about eighteen inches square, with a piece of charcoal he wrote out the prayer which became from that time on the standard family petition.
(1389.8) 126:3.5 This year Jesus was much troubled with confused thinking. Family responsibility had quite effectively removed all thought of immediately carrying out any plan for responding to the Jerusalem visitation directing him to “be about his Father’s business.” Jesus rightly reasoned that the watchcare of his earthly father’s family must take precedence of all duties; that the support of his family must become his first obligation.
(1390.1) 126:3.6 In the course of this year Jesus found a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch which influenced him in the later adoption of the term “Son of Man” as a designation for his bestowal mission on Urantia. He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be that Messiah. He longed to help his father’s people, but he never expected to lead Jewish armies in overthrowing the foreign domination of Palestine. He knew he would never sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem. Neither did he believe that his mission was that of a spiritual deliverer or moral teacher solely to the Jewish people. In no sense, therefore, could his life mission be the fulfillment of the intense longings and supposed Messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures; at least, not as the Jews understood these predictions of the prophets. Likewise he was certain he was never to appear as the Son of Man depicted by the Prophet Daniel.
(1390.2) 126:3.7 But when the time came for him to go forth as a world teacher, what would he call himself? What claim should he make concerning his mission? By what name would he be called by the people who would become believers in his teachings?
(1390.3) 126:3.8 While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had been studying, this manuscript called “The Book of Enoch”; and though he was certain that it had not been written by Enoch of old, it proved very intriguing to him, and he read and reread it many times. There was one passage which particularly impressed him, a passage in which this term “Son of Man” appeared. The writer of this so-called Book of Enoch went on to tell about this Son of Man, describing the work he would do on earth and explaining that this Son of Man, before coming down on this earth to bring salvation to mankind, had walked through the courts of heavenly glory with his Father, the Father of all; and that he had turned his back upon all this grandeur and glory to come down on earth to proclaim salvation to needy mortals. As Jesus would read these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous), he responded in his heart and recognized in his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer, none was so near the truth as this story tucked away in this only partially accredited Book of Enoch; and he then and there decided to adopt as his inaugural title “the Son of Man.” And this he did when he subsequently began his public work. Jesus had an unerring ability for the recognition of truth, and truth he never hesitated to embrace, no matter from what source it appeared to emanate.
(1390.4) 126:3.9 By this time he had quite thoroughly settled many things about his forthcoming work for the world, but he said nothing of these matters to his mother, who still held stoutly to the idea of his being the Jewish Messiah.
(1390.5) 126:3.10 The great confusion of Jesus’ younger days now arose. Having settled something about the nature of his mission on earth, “to be about his Father’s business” — to show forth his Father’s loving nature to all mankind — he began to ponder anew the many statements in the Scriptures referring to the coming of a national deliverer, a Jewish teacher or king. To what event did these prophecies refer? Was not he a Jew? or was he? Was he or was he not of the house of David? His mother averred he was; his father had ruled that he was not. He decided he was not. But had the prophets confused the nature and mission of the Messiah?
(1391.1) 126:3.11 After all, could it be possible that his mother was right? In most matters, when differences of opinion had arisen in the past, she had been right. If he were a new teacher and not the Messia
h, then how should he recognize the Jewish Messiah if such a one should appear in Jerusalem during the time of his earth mission; and, further, what should be his relation to this Jewish Messiah? And what should be his relation, after embarking on his life mission, to his family? to the Jewish commonwealth and religion? to the Roman Empire? to the gentiles and their religions? Each of these momentous problems this young Galilean turned over in his mind and seriously pondered while he continued to work at the carpenter’s bench, laboriously making a living for himself, his mother, and eight other hungry mouths.(1391.2) 126:3.12 Before the end of this year Mary saw the family funds diminishing. She turned the sale of doves over to James. Presently they bought a second cow, and with the aid of Miriam they began the sale of milk to their Nazareth neighbors.
(1391.3) 126:3.13 His profound periods of meditation, his frequent journeys to the hilltop for prayer, and the many strange ideas which Jesus advanced from time to time, thoroughly alarmed his mother. Sometimes she thought the lad was beside himself, and then she would steady her fears, remembering that he was, after all, a child of promise and in some manner different from other youths.
(1391.4) 126:3.14 But Jesus was learning not to speak of all his thoughts, not to present all his ideas to the world, not even to his own mother. From this year on, Jesus’ disclosures about what was going on in his mind steadily diminished; that is, he talked less about those things which an average person could not grasp, and which would lead to his being regarded as peculiar or different from ordinary folks. To all appearances he became commonplace and conventional, though he did long for someone who could understand his problems. He craved a trustworthy and confidential friend, but his problems were too complex for his human associates to comprehend. The uniqueness of the unusual situation compelled him to bear his burdens alone.” UB
good night
Colter
ColterYou are a fake,in all You think,say,and do
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