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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2010,16:25) Hi KW,
It is the NEW HOLY SPIRIT that is given to men that produces fruit in righteousness.
'not by might nor by power but by MY SPIRIT'
I agree that the new spirit does produce fruit in righteousness but that is true of any holy spirit or it cannot truthfully be called a holy spirit. That is why there is only one spirit of holiness that is present in all those that believe.That spirit may be the exact same one in all or it may be an exact copy in each but it is the same spirit.
No human being has this spirit except those that have entered the new covenant as it is the promise of the new covenant. Jesus of course is the exception.
Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2010,22:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2010,16:25) Hi KW,
It is the NEW HOLY SPIRIT that is given to men that produces fruit in righteousness.
'not by might nor by power but by MY SPIRIT'
I agree that the new spirit does produce fruit in righteousness but that is true of any holy spirit or it cannot truthfully be called a holy spirit. That is why there is only one spirit of holiness that is present in all those that believe.That spirit may be the exact same one in all or it may be an exact copy in each but it is the same spirit.
No human being has this spirit except those that have entered the new covenant as it is the promise of the new covenant. Jesus of course is the exception.
Kerwinthere is no two Holy spirit ,it as been always the same God does not change;
and in the case you use it it means the will of God that s is what God use to move people ,because wen you know the will of God you know in the inside of you that you are in conformity with Gods purpose,
if God needs to use you for works he will provide you with the power of the holy spirit.
Pierre
Pierre,
Are you confussing the workings of the Spirit of God with the Spirit of Righteousness one lives by? I myself do not know if they are different spirits or just different types of working of the same spirit. One example of this is that speaking in tonges is the Spirit of God while living a righteouss life by faith is living according to the spirit of righteousness.
In the Old Testiment there are accounts of the workings of the Spirit of God but it was not until the new covenant was established that one could live by the spirit of righteousness. The sole exception being Jesus.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2010,10:18) Hi KW,
One Spirit, of truth, wisdom, power, righteousness and glory.
1Cor12 ,Eph4
Thank you! You are most likely correct to conclude that I was speaking of different types of working of the same spirit. My doubts stem from the fact that to live by the spirit you love as God loves and that seems to be entirely different than the power of God though linked through him.Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi KW,
We should just be amazed at the difference between the Spirit of God and our own.
He is not made in our image.To All…………Spirit is simply Spirit it is what Life is, every thing that has life in it has spirit in it, Now there are unending manifestation of Spirit, the spirit of Wisdom , Spirit of truth, spirit of an adversary , clean spirit and unclean spirits, there seven (distinct) spirits of God, we could go on and on with types of spirits, but it all boils down to (intellects) that are (IN) people. There is a sound and a unsound spirit a Spirit of fear, a spirit of Peace and Joy and on and on it goes never ending. There is no such thing a POWER
spirit (except in the mind), spirits are just thoughts it has no power of it self except to motivate, Power must be added to them and GOD (Almighty) is the extreme Power and WE through our Bodies have some powers also, But without our bodies we would have no power at all because thought does not by it self have any power.Life is composed of thoughts or intellects, “So a man thinks so he is”, but spirit is useless by itself, but if connected with a vehicle it can control and operate the powerhouse it is in. It is what is in control, Spirit makes the decision as to what the body will do. Spirit needs a body in order to exist as a Soul or person, this (body + spirit) or Soul, can be completely destroyed permanently by separating the Body from the Spirit, then if they are separated the Soul or person Parishes, A resurrect (BODY) for all who have died is absolutely necessary for them to continue to exist. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2010,15:15) Pierre, Are you confussing the workings of the Spirit of God with the Spirit of Righteousness one lives by? I myself do not know if they are different spirits or just different types of working of the same spirit. One example of this is that speaking in tonges is the Spirit of God while living a righteouss life by faith is living according to the spirit of righteousness.
In the Old Testiment there are accounts of the workings of the Spirit of God but it was not until the new covenant was established that one could live by the spirit of righteousness. The sole exception being Jesus.
kerwinno i am not confused,first the spirit(will) of God this being the ultimate and only true will,and the spirit (will)of the righteous is only the application of the first spirit(will)into men ability to apply it in there lives and so fulfill the word of God.
there is no change in the old testament ,it was still righteous one and some were chosen to do more like the prophets,
wen God give the law and this was is will then ,it was a will to promote live ,but most of the Israelites chose to disobey
there Gods will and paid the consequences,same thing now after Christ.it is not because you call yourself christian that you are doing Gods will.God never change,Christ spell it out differently,and the new covenant is the result of the refusal of the chosen people of the first covenant.living by the spirit means living by doing the will of God.
Pierre
Pierre
Pierre,
It is true that living by the Spirit is doing the will of God but then those who lived according to the Law of Mosses were also doing the will of God. Yet if when one has the Spirit available and rejects it as an act of obedience to the Law of Mosses one is not doing the will of God. To be correct one cannot obey the Law of Mosses and reject the Spirit as the Spirit fulfills the righteous requirements of the Law. Still, I hoping this clears up your apparent misunderstanding about the spirit.
I also want to point out to you that Abraham that did not have either the Law of Mosses or the Spirit was still doing the will of God because he believed God.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2010,08:06) Pierre, It is true that living by the Spirit is doing the will of God but then those who lived according to the Law of Mosses were also doing the will of God. Yet if when one has the Spirit available and rejects it as an act of obedience to the Law of Mosses one is not doing the will of God. To be correct one cannot obey the Law of Mosses and reject the Spirit as the Spirit fulfills the righteous requirements of the Law. Still, I hoping this clears up your apparent misunderstanding about the spirit.
I also want to point out to you that Abraham that did not have either the Law of Mosses or the Spirit was still doing the will of God because he believed God.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwinwhat was required in the first commandment of the law,?
what is different after Christ ?
what was the constant reminder of God to the nation of Israel ,lip worshipers,no heart into it.right.
so how did they obey???and to love God as Christ teaches us ,is love can be done without the heart??
you say if they would have comply with all the requirement the second covenant would have been not required ?how would that be ? Israel would only have been a priest nation to the gentile and the end result would have been the same.
the spirit is the will of God. understand this ;their are two wills in this world Satan and God those are two opposite,if you chose to do gods will ,you learn it but you have to practice it as well,this combination bring you into the way of God ,you can now say that you are fallowing Christ steps and Paul,but you also have to walk in truth with yourself this means what you learn as to be equal to what you do ,other wise you would not be true,and we have to live the truth right?/
of cause if you only fallow things so and so this will not bring you close to the truth of God,you would be able to talk about scriptures and words and meaningless conversation who end up nowhere.
god spirit is his will ,but the power of it is given by him as he sees fit.
Adam received gods will ,and disobey,
the nation of Israel receive the will of God and disobey.Christ came the son of God men still receive is teaching and love ,he told them the will of god,they are still disobeying ,
and looking for what is not there.Salomon says that we all should look to do God will.
you say; Yet if when one has the Spirit available and rejects it as an act of obedience to the Law of Mosses one is not doing the will of God
So what is that spirit if it is not the will of God ?
and it is available ,and can be rejected.and do all this as an act of obedience to the law.PLEASE EXPLAIN
Pierre
Pierre,
According to scripture if you live by the spirit of righteousnes at all times then you will stop sinning. That was impossible for a human being before Jesus was conceived and was extended to the rest of us only after he ascended to heaven. That is why he stated if he did not ascend then the spirit of righteousness would not come. That spirit is what anyone who truly seeks God hungers and thirsts for.
Jesus promised us that we would recieve it in his Sermon on the mounts for that is what Matthew 5:6 is. God has already promised it beforehand through Jerimiah and others.
Peter tells us truthfully that the promise is for us and all God calls, Acts 2:39.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2010,18:43) Pierre, According to scripture if you live by the spirit of righteousnes at all times then you will stop sinning. That was impossible for a human being before Jesus was conceived and was extended to the rest of us only after he ascended to heaven. That is why he stated if he did not ascend then the spirit of righteousness would not come. That spirit is what anyone who truly seeks God hungers and thirsts for.
Jesus promised us that we would recieve it in his Sermon on the mounts for that is what Matthew 5:6 is. God has already promised it beforehand through Jerimiah and others.
Peter tells us truthfully that the promise is for us and all God calls, Acts 2:39.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwinyou are wrong, even wen Christ came it did not make us true believers stop sinning, we still do and the apostles to;but we do not practice sin,that were the difference lays.
the spirit of righteousness =the way of the Lord and the will of the Lord;the will =the way
at the Pentecost what they received was the power of God trough the Holy spirit and by receiving that power they would be certified in there righteousness ,and this means that they were accepted by God trough his son.and could prove it by there miracles.
Pierre
Pierre,
I choose to believe God when he states in scripture that “So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature” or in other words live by the Spirit and you will not sin even though tempted by the evil one. If God states it is true and I know all things are possible for God even teaching and empowering me to stop sinning.
Jesus also witnessed the same teaching in John 8:31 when he instructs the Jews that if they hold to his teaching then he will set them really free from slavery to sin. He also promised it in Matthew 5:6 for the righteousness that the people of God hunger for is one that is like God’s.
The question is can you believe God can and will do it for you. Sadly, too many find that challenge more than they are willing to face. All I can say is have courage as God raised his Jesus from the grave and made him King of Everything in Heaven and Earth your sake as well as everyone else’s so don’t doubt that he will overcome your sins if you are willing the believe and hold to that faith.
This is an item of faith I choose to hold to and I can attest that God has worked miracles in my life though I am far from fully mature in the Anointed One.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi T,
The spirit is not the will.
But those who do the will of God are in God's family.
And we who are blessed with the Spirit are enabled and taught how to obey God.Hi T,
The spirit is not the will.
Those who are LIVE by the Spirit must DECIDE to walk in the Spirit.[Gal5]Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2010,19:04) Pierre, I choose to believe God when he states in scripture that “So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature” or in other words live by the Spirit and you will not sin even though tempted by the evil one. If God states it is true and I know all things are possible for God even teaching and empowering me to stop sinning.
Jesus also witnessed the same teaching in John 8:31 when he instructs the Jews that if they hold to his teaching then he will set them really free from slavery to sin. He also promised it in Matthew 5:6 for the righteousness that the people of God hunger for is one that is like God’s.
The question is can you believe God can and will do it for you. Sadly, too many find that challenge more than they are willing to face. All I can say is have courage as God raised his Jesus from the grave and made him King of Everything in Heaven and Earth your sake as well as everyone else’s so don’t doubt that he will overcome your sins if you are willing the believe and hold to that faith.
This is an item of faith I choose to hold to and I can attest that God has worked miracles in my life though I am far from fully mature in the Anointed One.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Kerwinyou do not know what you saying;Jn 8:31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Jn 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”JESUS SAYS IF YOU HOLD TO MY TEACHING ;(THIS MEANS THE WILL OF GOD ,BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT JESUS CAME TO TEACH.)AND THAT IS WHY HE SAID ;;Then you will know the truth(TRUTH IS THE WORD OF GOD ,AND WHAT WE FIND IN THE WORD OF GOD IS THE WILL OF GOD,SO WE CAN BE SAVED)
Mt 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filledWHAT IS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THIS NOT TRUE JUDGEMENT IS THIS NOT TRUE KNOWLEDGE,IS THIS NOT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE WILL OF OUR GOD,
Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
Heb 11:2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visibleSO FAITH IS BEING “SURE” AND MAKE “CERTAIN” AND BY FAITH WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE UNIVERSE WAS FORMED AT GODS “COMMEND” OR WILL
THE WILL OF GOD INCOMPAS ALL HE DESIRE TO DO.
Pierre
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,06:45) Hi T,
The spirit is not the will.
But those who do the will of God are in God's family.
And we who are blessed with the Spirit are enabled and taught how to obey God.
hi nickyou say;The spirit is not the will.
you say;;we who are blessed with the Spirit are enabled and taught how to obey God
I ask you many time what is the spirit since you know what it is not ,maybe you can tell me what it is???
now the spirit is not always the will,it could be the power of that will,and sometimes the understanding of the will of God.
but always related to the will of God,this is what Jesus explain in the gospels by saying he came to do his father will,he says what his father told him to say.
Pierre
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,06:50) Hi T,
The spirit is not the will.
Those who are LIVE by the Spirit must DECIDE to walk in the Spirit.[Gal5]
hi nickyou say;;The spirit is not the will
GAL 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
GAL 5:5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.
GAL 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
GAL 5:7 You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?SO HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO “HINDERD FROM OBEYING THE TRUTH= THE WORD OF GOD =THE WILL OF GOD FOR MEN TO BE SAVED.
GAL 5:5 For we through the Spirit,;HERE THE WORD SPIRIT STANDS FOR UNDERSTANDING THE WILL OF GOD.
Pierre
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