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if you were called by God you would not have opinions but truths ,and revelation with understanding.
it seams to me there is no ground base in scriptures for your opinions ,so the use of opinions is to promote oneself into the market of glory of the world,not in Christ light.
Gene,
I disagree with you that knowledge is intelligence even though you may need a certain level of intelligence to comprehend certain knowledge. Therefore I would say that intelligence is more your ability to comprehend and manipulate knowledge.
When we are speaking of the spirit of righteousness I would even go so far as you mental intelligence is not the issue but rather you spiritual intelligence. It seems to me that spiritual intelligence is probably a characteristic of the soul and not the brain. I state that because Jesus taught us that some people hunger and thirst for righteousness and these will be filled with the spirit of righteousness. Since they hunger and thirst before having the spirit it must be a characteristic of some other part of them. Of the few candidates I can think of, i.e. heart, mind, soul, the soul seems most appropriate.
Kerwin……. Spirit is Intellect which give us the (ABILITY) to comprehend the Truth and also all other levels of understandings and creates within us the (fruits) (IT) produces through us. You can not separate the spirit from the mind, of a man, “SO A MAN THINKS SO HE IS”, some have more of one type (clean) or another (unclean) Most have some of each in them, . You said your mental intelligence is not the issue but rather your Spiritual intelligence, They are one and the same. “LET THIS MIND BE IN YOU WHICH WAS IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD”. As I said before not (really) understanding what Spirit (is) is a major stumbling block here as well as in all of Christianity. Most think Spirit is a (BEING) of Some KIND, when in fact it is NOT, it is attributes of intellects.
For instance GOD has SEVEN major Attributes called the seven Spirit or EYES, (intellects) of GOD. These intellects are like eyes enabling Him to percieve things, And they are now present in Jesus Through the Anointing , But having these Intellects by themselves does not mean much without the POWER to exercise them . That is why It pictures Jesus as Having the seven Spirits of GOD or eyes (with Horns), Horns symbolizes POWERS. and they Coupled with the Seven Spirit (Intellects) of GOD is what Jesus will used to set up the kingdom of GOD on the earth when He returns. That is why Scripture can say of Jesus “THY KINGDOM O GOD IS AN EVERLASTING KINGDOM” because it (IS) GOD (IN) Jesus both with intellects and Powers setting up the kingdom of GOD on the earth. These eyes or spirits are also portrayed as in the wings of the four beasts that surround the throne of GOD, these eyes are the spirits of God that lift (what wings do) them above the normal mans intellects . I believe these represent the 144,000 out of the twelve tribes of Israel, they go where ever the Lamb (Jesus) goes and Help him rule the Kingdom of God in the earth. All true Saints are given (eyes) to see and understand things from GOD. These are Spirits (intellects) or the eyes of the mind, given man by GOD the FATHER These are called (HOLY) or Special SPIRITS INTELLECTS of GOD. Spirits are (NOT) BEINGS, but what is (IN) BEINGS. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 06 2010,04:16) Kerwin……. Spirit is Intellect which give us the (ABILITY) to comprehend the Truth and also all other levels of understandings and creates within us the (fruits) (IT) produces through us. You can not separate the spirit from the mind, of a man, “SO A MAN THINKS SO HE IS”, some have more of one type (clean) or another (unclean) Most have some of each in them, . You said your mental intelligence is not the issue but rather your Spiritual intelligence, They are one and the same. “LET THIS MIND BE IN YOU WHICH WAS IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD”. As I said before not (really) understanding what Spirit (is) is a major stumbling block here as well as in all of Christianity. Most think Spirit is a (BEING) of Some KIND, when in fact it is NOT, it is attributes of intellects. For instance GOD has SEVEN major Attributes called the seven Spirit or EYES, (intellects) of GOD. These intellects are like eyes enabling Him to percieve things, And they are now present in Jesus Through the Anointing , But having these Intellects by themselves does not mean much without the POWER to exercise them . That is why It pictures Jesus as Having the seven Spirits of GOD or eyes (with Horns), Horns symbolizes POWERS. and they Coupled with the Seven Spirit (Intellects) of GOD is what Jesus will used to set up the kingdom of GOD on the earth when He returns. That is why Scripture can say of Jesus “THY KINGDOM O GOD IS AN EVERLASTING KINGDOM” because it (IS) GOD (IN) Jesus both with intellects and Powers setting up the kingdom of GOD on the earth. These eyes or spirits are also portrayed as in the wings of the four beasts that surround the throne of GOD, these eyes are the spirits of God that lift (what wings do) them above the normal mans intellects . I believe these represent the 144,000 out of the twelve tribes of Israel, they go where ever the Lamb (Jesus) goes and Help him rule the Kingdom of God in the earth. All true Saints are given (eyes) to see and understand things from GOD. These are Spirits (intellects) or the eyes of the mind, given man by GOD the FATHER These are called (HOLY) or Special SPIRITS INTELLECTS of GOD. Spirits are (NOT) BEINGS, but what is (IN) BEINGS. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
geneso you can make the choice ,your spirit is yours ,and you can do what you want with it,Heb 10:7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, O God.’ ”
Heb 10:8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them” (although the law required them to be made).
Heb 10:9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.”thats what i did i went to God and Christ the same way ,and give up my freewill to do Gods will.
Gene,
I am going to disagree with you on several of the points you are making.
Since God treats demons as if they exist in scripture I choose to believe they do.
Certain beings are called spirit which is referring to the unseen realm and not necessary the spirit of righteousness. The realm or more precisely realms are unseen because choose to hide them from us. The realm should not be confused with the spirit that guides a man.
Do demons actually hop in to people? I am not sure since what we interpret as such may just be a matter of speaking used at the times scripture was written. The only example that might apply I can think of is Satan’s temptation of Jesus. In this Satan makes an offer of temptation and Jesus refuses that offer but what of those men who do not reject the offer. Now about these men God states he hands them over to their evil desires, Romans 1:26. That sounds like what is called either addiction or demon possession to me.
Now about the Holy Spirit having multiple attributes. There is some truth in that but it does not mean that there are more than one spirit. There is a Jewish teaching that is similar but I do not remember even what little I learned about it. The book of Revelations being highly full of symbols and esotericism is harder to understand than others thus one should be extremely careful not to jump to premature conclusions when studying it.
About spiritual intellect. A person can be a genus in mental intelligence and still have an extremely low Intelligent Quotient. Do you follow the religious teachings of Einstein? It is those that hunger and thirst for righteousness that have a high spiritual Intellect no matter their mental intellect and the more you do the higher your spiritual intellect. A person with a high spiritual intellect has that intellect before they enter the new covenant. One example is Abraham who believed God and thus was credited with righteousness before the new covenant came to be. So when Christens are instructed to have a mind like Jesus they are not being instructed to have a high spiritual intellect but rather they are being to eat and drink the righteousness those with spiritual intellect crave.
Hi KW,
Indeed Jesus spoke of such unclean spirits.
But never in terms of the spirit of man.
That concept belongs just to you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,08:39) Hi KW,
Indeed Jesus spoke of such unclean spirits.
But never in terms of the spirit of man.
That concept belongs just to you.
Please read Psalms 32:2 and then tell me in whose spirit, of the group of human beings whom has not yet entered the new covenant and whom are of the age of accountability, is there no deceit.If you can think of one then please explain how that does not conflict with the teaching that all are sinners under the law.
It fact it is your concept that such is not the case that belongs to you. Humble yourself and believe what God teaches.
Hi KW,
Again you find a time in scripture when 'spirit' is used as 'soul'.
There are many of them.The Word will show you the difference.[Heb4]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,09:23) Hi KW,
Again you find a time in scripture when 'spirit' is used as 'soul'.
There are many of them.The Word will show you the difference.[Heb4]
I agree with you that in some cases the word “spirit” is used as a synomyn of the word “soul”.The question then becomes is this one of those times. You state it is but present no evidence to support your chosen interpretation. I am currious how you believe Hebrews 4:12 supports your position.
I can see where the soul of those who love wickedness craves deception though it is also clear that all human beings that are of the age of accountability but not yet in the new covenant are decievers to some degree. That is a point scripture merely confirms.
Proverbs 16:18 speaks of a haughty spirit which is a '”Scornfully and condescendingly proud' spirit. It sure sounds like an impure spirit unless you believe that scripture two is speaking of the soul.
Now considering Hebrews 4:12 in which we are told the “the word of God” joins the “divided soul and spirit”. So why are the spirit and soul at war. Does not Paul teach us that in his letter to the Romans 7:18. The soul wants to do what is right but the spirit is impure and so thwarts the desires of the soul.
I obtained my definition for “haughty” from freedictionary.com.
Hi KW,
The spirit of man give him life[jas2]SOUNDS LIKE is never enough being only personal implication
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,13:50) Hi KW,
The spirit of man give him life[jas2]SOUNDS LIKE is never enough being only personal implication
Jon 32:8(NASB) reads:Quote But it is a spirit in man,
And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding.But perhaps Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite is not speaking of God's breath that made Adam a living soul.
I admit that I was using sarcasm since it is obvious that a haughty spirit is an unclean spirit.
If you think that something so explicit is implied then you do not know what either the words “explicit” or “implied” mean.
I will also admit that it is a specific example of a general class but that does not make it implied.
Hi KW,
God indeed breathed into the dust of earth [flesh] and man became a living[spirit]soul[soul][Gen2.7]Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,14:12) Hi KW,
God indeed breathed into the dust of earth [flesh] and man became a living[spirit]soul[soul][Gen2.7]
I added to my last post to actually answer your point.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,15:10) Hi KW,
We do not need too many dictionaries to know the ways of God.
The Spirit reveals the Word.
A dictionary is used to obtain the meaning of a word used in expressing the knowledge of the ways of God. The gaining of knowledge depends on understanding the message.I am fairly sure you know that you are merely dodging what scripture states and you find unpleasant to deal with but I am not positive.
Maybe you are just tired and not thinking through what you write.
I am not sure what your complaint is with Proverrbs 16:18.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,20:10) Hi KW,
We do not need too many dictionaries to know the ways of God.
The Spirit reveals the Word.
Nick……….And the Words a man speaks reveal the Spirit that is (IN) HIM. Because that which comes out of the mouth proceeds forth from the Heart (mind) and it is what defiles the man. You can not separate Spirit from the mind it is what give intellect to the mind. IMPOQuote (Gene Balthrop @ April 07 2010,02:33) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,20:10) Hi KW,
We do not need too many dictionaries to know the ways of God.
The Spirit reveals the Word.
Nick……….And the Words a man speaks reveal the Spirit that is (IN) HIM. Because that which comes out of the mouth proceeds forth from the Heart (mind) and it is what defiles the man. You can not separate Spirit from the mind it is what give intellect to the mind. IMPO
genewhat Jesus talk about is your ideas your thinking you pursued morals ,the things you like the thing you hath those are the things that defile a men and that come out of the heart.trough the mouth.
and those things are called in this case the spirit =thoughts
so if you have in you the thoughts of God only good things comes out of you mouth.
Terraricca………So you are admitting SPIRIT (IS) the intellects (IN) the Mind? right. And that means Spirit is (NOT) Beings as Angles are right? You say in this case but then you say in another case Spirits are Beings like devils and Angles and etc. Spirit is (NOT) a Being IT IS WHAT IS (IN) A BEING.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 07 2010,03:27) Terraricca………So you are admitting SPIRIT (IS) the intellects (IN) the Mind? right. And that means Spirit is (NOT) Beings as Angles are right? You say in this case but then you say in another case Spirits are Beings like devils and Angles and etc. Spirit is (NOT) a Being IT IS WHAT IS (IN) A BEING.
geneyour are fast in concluding your way,but it is not ,mind ,and intellect,does not cut with me or scriptures,
but in the case i state ,but see it is men moral so his heart is included,is emotions without self control,his envy etc.
in certain scriptures it refers to the spiritual environment who are the angels.
the context will show you what to understand.
Love without wisdom cannot do anything, nor wisdom without love; for love without wisdom, or the will without the understanding, cannot form a single thought. Indeed, it cannot see, perceive, or say anything; therefore it cannot do anything.
What is the true spirit, is the spirit with you at all times, or only when needed. Intellect is another word for knowledge or you could also say wisdom, what leads us to better understanding. I believe that to be in the book of david or solomon.
It seems that most are still staying at the carnal level and not reaching a spiritual level. It is of no wonder though, our minds are compelled to stay with what we can touch, smell and hear, a so called comfort zone. The urge of these keeps us still and content.
Even though at times Gene goes beyond me there are some things that he is spot on about. One does not go astray from truth by anothers hand, the individual themselves leads their path either you love or you don't, either you seek or you don't either you ask or you don't. Quite basic if you really think about it.
Christianity has somewhat of a communal mind, or other words unity out of diversity. Which is an oxymoron in itself. Which the triads seem to thrive on this communal mind. Indeed, we must be aware of such matters, know they are there, understand that they do not disappear, love just the same, be wise enough not to listen to their folly, who wants to be lead into a pit, there is no way out.
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