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Not3in1,
I'm sorry for saying you believe that. I was under that impression from what you had said, but thanks for clearing it up.
Tim
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 18 2007,18:01) A few thoughts here: God is not a man. God cannot die. God does not change his mind.
Hey Not, would this meet the criteria for changing ones mind?GE 6:5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth–men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air–for I am grieved that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
In this case (for me) it is important to note who Jesus was talking to.
Do you believe that the church should worship Christ?
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Hi Daw,
My personal belief is that we are not forbidden from paying Christ homage. However, if we worship Jesus as God then we are robbing God (who is the Father – not Jesus – even in the Trinity's own terms), of the honor and glory due him ONLY. By the same token, if we are giving the Son of God honor as the Son, that is different. We are to honor the Son as we honor the Father until such a time that the Son hands everything back to the Father so that the Father can be all in all.Not, does that mean you believe the biblical account of the birth of Christ?
“she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit”
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Daw,
Yes, I believe this will all my heart. God's holy spirit provided what was needed for the conception of his Son to take place.Hey Not, would this meet the criteria for changing ones mind?
GE 6:5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth–men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air–for I am grieved that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD
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No; he was grieved and made a judgement call. To change his mind would have looked a little different, imho. To change his mind would have been to wipe out mankind and not create man again (or allow man to create). Thoughts?I'm sorry for saying you believe that. I was under that impression from what you had said, but thanks for clearing it up.
Tim
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Thanks, Tim. I just don't want to confuse newcomers on what we all personally believe. We can answer for ourselves. I appreciate your apology, and I also appreciate your passion
Quote (dawebhead @ May 24 2007,17:16) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 18 2007,18:01) A few thoughts here: God is not a man. God cannot die. God does not change his mind.
Hey Not, would this meet the criteria for changing ones mind?GE 6:5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth–men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air–for I am grieved that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
Hi Dawebhead,Your question was to Not3in1, but I would like to comment.
If in fact God did send a flood to wipe out the whole earth, it wasn't because He changed his mind. He knew from the day of creation that He would do that when He did. Gen says that God was grieved, not that He changed his mind.
God does not change His mind or literally have a heart to be filled with pain or to literally grieve, or change His mind. He inspired scriptures to be written this way so that we could understand the reasons for His actions.
Tim
He knew from the day of creation that He would do that when He did.
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Regarding the flood. Um, I'm not sure I believe this statement, Tim. It is murky waters when we comtemplate whether or not things are already written. Does God already know who will be saved and who is not? Maybe so?How can God be grieved (emotional suffering) if it was something that he already knew would happen? I don't know? Thoughts?
Hi Tim2,
You say
“My question was pertaining to your post:
“Class of being” may have been a poor way to express what WJ really meant, I don't know? But God is a spirit, not a “being.”God calls Himself I AM WHO AM and yet you say He is not a BEING?
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 24 2007,17:51) Hey Not, would this meet the criteria for changing ones mind? GE 6:5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth–men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air–for I am grieved that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD
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No; he was grieved and made a judgement call. To change his mind would have looked a little different, imho. To change his mind would have been to wipe out mankind and not create man again (or allow man to create). Thoughts?
Thanks not, I don't beleive I understand your answer (might have been the way I phrased my question).GE 6:7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth–men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air–for I am grieved that I have made them.”
What I read here is that God made a decision (I will), we learn a short time latter that he did not go through with that decision. Did he change his mind?
It sounds like you are saying that this was some sort of passing thought?
Whats wrong if he did reconsider his original decision?Quote (Not3in1 @ May 24 2007,17:48) Not, does that mean you believe the biblical account of the birth of Christ? “she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit”
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Daw,
Yes, I believe this will all my heart. God's holy spirit provided what was needed for the conception of his Son to take place.
got it, thanksQuote (TimothyVI @ May 25 2007,04:07) Hi Dawebhead, Your question was to Not3in1, but I would like to comment.
If in fact God did send a flood to wipe out the whole earth, it wasn't because He changed his mind. He knew from the day of creation that He would do that when He did. Gen says that God was grieved, not that He changed his mind.
God does not change His mind or literally have a heart to be filled with pain or to literally grieve, or change His mind. He inspired scriptures to be written this way so that we could understand the reasons for His actions.
Tim
Hey Tim,
Not sure if you understood the question. We know that God did not wipe out all creation, yet that appears to be his original decision.
I used to be of the opinion that God does not have or exhibit the feelings or emotions that we do as human beings. In reading the bible I have learned that it is not God that shows or has human emotions, but us displaying some of the emotions passed on to us from God.Hi Daw,
Oh, I understand what you are trying to say now. You mean that because he allowed Noah and his family to live, he didn't follow through with his original thought to wipe mankind out? This passage and the one surrounding Lot and S&G (where Lot pleaded to the LORD to save righteous men in the town – if he could find any)……I don't think this and the flood are about God “changing his mind” as much as they are witnesses to the fact that we can possibly negotiate with our heavenly Father. Very much like my son does with me; it goes something like this, “Hey, Mom, even though it is a 'no TV night' if I get al my chores done and finish my homework early AND help you in the garden…can I watch the Mariner's play tonight because it's a special game?” And of course the answer is yes. I don't know, this is just an idea on this. Others? Can we negotiate with God to pursuade him to make certain decisions?
Hi not3,
I agree.
I believe God wants us to abhor doubts and have faith strong enough to place expectations on Him.
Christ praised all those who recognised his role as the access person for God's grace in his time on earth-the centurion and the syrophoenician woman for example.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2007,07:38) Hi Tim2,
You say
“My question was pertaining to your post:
“Class of being” may have been a poor way to express what WJ really meant, I don't know? But God is a spirit, not a “being.”God calls Himself I AM WHO AM and yet you say He is not a BEING?
Sorry Nick, I don't remember this. Could you show me where I said that please?Class of being” may have been a poor way to express what WJ really meant, I don't know? But God is a spirit, not a “being.”
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Nick, I said this – not Tim2.And correct, God is spirit. God can be I AM – scripture does not tell us that because God said this that he is a “being.” A “being” by definition or root is derived from “human” being. God is not a man. That was all I was trying to say there. Thanks.
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 25 2007,09:06) Hi Daw, Oh, I understand what you are trying to say now. You mean that because he allowed Noah and his family to live, he didn't follow through with his original thought to wipe mankind out? This passage and the one surrounding Lot and S&G (where Lot pleaded to the LORD to save righteous men in the town – if he could find any)……I don't think this and the flood are about God “changing his mind” as much as they are witnesses to the fact that we can possibly negotiate with our heavenly Father. Very much like my son does with me; it goes something like this, “Hey, Mom, even though it is a 'no TV night' if I get al my chores done and finish my homework early AND help you in the garden…can I watch the Mariner's play tonight because it's a special game?” And of course the answer is yes. I don't know, this is just an idea on this. Others? Can we negotiate with God to pursuade him to make certain decisions?
Hey Not,
Just finished an excellent bowling outing, my team won both games.
Anywho…I agree that god has been open to negotiation with the faithful and the following confirms this (along with the scripture you ref).
ISA 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD.
“Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best from the land; 20 but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword.” For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.That being said, I don't believe this was the case in the Noah/flood story.
On a side note, let your son do what he really wants to do…Watch a Yankee game…:?On a side note, let your son do what he really wants to do…Watch a Yankee game…:?
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Yep! It was the Mariner's versus the Yankees……how did you know?Daw, do you think God changed his mind regarding the flood? And if so, what about the scripture that says God doesn't change his mind? Thanks.
Oh! And congratulations on winning your bowling games (I can bowl a pretty mean frame myself. Of course they have the bumpers up!)
Quote Class of being” may have been a poor way to express what WJ really meant, I don't know? But God is a spirit, not a “being.” Some Bible's at Acts 17:29 express the thought of “divine being” (NIV, NWT, ESV)
Quote (david @ May 25 2007,19:12) Quote Class of being” may have been a poor way to express what WJ really meant, I don't know? But God is a spirit, not a “being.” Some Bible's at Acts 17:29 express the thought of “divine being” (NIV, NWT, ESV)
Morning all,
Cleary God is Spirit (not a spirit)? The acts scripture you ref erenced is Paul explaining the folly of trying to comprehend God in mortal terms (to men that worship images in various forms).AC 17:24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
Jesus is teaching a similar idea when speaking with the Samaritan woman. Simply stating that you cannot restrict God to any physical location “God is Spirit” (I under the KJV is a little dif).
JN 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”
(“we worship what we do know” this statement is pretty interesting)That being said there are biblical references that depict God as more than spirit or a spirit (more than just this or that).
JOB 40:9 Do you have an arm like God's, and can your voice thunder like his?
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