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Hi Not3,
This plan was expressed as WORD before even the creation of the world and that WORD was with God.Quote (kenrch @ April 13 2007,09:02) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 12 2007,03:51) Quote (kenrch @ April 09 2007,13:41) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 09 2007,10:39) I'll look for the Ten commandment thread. This is interesting to me. Because I just cannot imagine keeping the law. I mean, that is why Jesus was sent, is it not? There was something wrong with the first convenant and that is why Jesus was sent with a new convenant. I know that is written somewhere. Paul tells us that the Law produced sin, even (or something like that 
) I'll do some digging here. I just cannot stand under the law. I would never feel like I could even worship under the law, because I could never keep one bit of it (if you break one piece – you've broken them all). This doesn't sound like the freedom that Jesus brought?
The freedom Jesus brought is forgivness not permission to sin.That and the fulfillment of the law of Moses. Luke 24:44
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Nick keeps saying Old Testament. Truth is the Ten commandments are in the New Testament All Ten.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
What is the love? That we walk after His commandments. This is the Commandment. What is the commandment? That we walk after His commandments. As we have heard from the beginning we should walk in them.
Is that what 2John 1:6 is saying?The endtime church will be keeping the Commandments of God.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.Now what are the saints of the last days doing? The saints keep the commandments of God period.
Is that what Rev. 12:17 and Rev 14:12 is saying? Really read it over if you want but the letters won't change. Neither will the meaning.
Visit the Ten Commandment thread and read all the scriptures given. Ask yourself what the scriptures say. Pray ask God to show you His will. It's His will that matters not our will. Jesus said your will be done not my will Father.
kenrchYou say…
Quote What is the love? That we walk after His commandments. This is the Commandment. What is the commandment? That we walk after His commandments. As we have heard from the beginning we should walk in them.
Is that what 2John 1:6 is saying?Jesus said…
Jn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.Matt 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.All is fulfilled in Christ by faith as NH said.
If you go about trying to establish right standing with God by keeping the law, ;then you should keep all the law like Passover, all the major feast etc..
We walk by faith. We are not justified by keeping the law.
WJ are you able to keep the Commandments?
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.Is the Law done away with? GOD FORBID!
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Faith without works is dead faith is it not.
You know the scriptures why do you deny them?THIS IS THE COMMANDMENT:
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Do you deny this scripture? The Commandment we have had from the beginning! That we walk after His Commandments!
This IS the LOVE! Or do you just have lip service?Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
kenrchYou say…
Quote WJ are you able to keep the Commandments?
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.First of all I never said the law was done away with.
Secondly the law is our school master to bring us to Christ.
Thirdly We walk by faith, for by grace we are saved through faith, and not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, “Not of works” lest any man should boast, for we “Are his workmanship, *created in Christ Jesus unto good works” Eph 2:8,9
And if you quote Rom 7 then you need to forget the Chapter divisions which are not inspired and go to…
Rom 8:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of
the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.When men start saying that you have to do this and that to please God, then I am cautious, because men are always trying to put shackles on Gods people.
Faith without works is dead yes, but there is also what is known as dead works.
Gal 3:
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer *under a schoolmaster*.Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the “sabbath days”:Sorry I dont hold your view about coming under the law.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,18:27) Quote (kenrch @ April 13 2007,09:02) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 12 2007,03:51) Quote (kenrch @ April 09 2007,13:41) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 09 2007,10:39) I'll look for the Ten commandment thread. This is interesting to me. Because I just cannot imagine keeping the law. I mean, that is why Jesus was sent, is it not? There was something wrong with the first convenant and that is why Jesus was sent with a new convenant. I know that is written somewhere. Paul tells us that the Law produced sin, even (or something like that ) I'll do some digging here. I just cannot stand under the law. I would never feel like I could even worship under the law, because I could never keep one bit of it (if you break one piece – you've broken them all). This doesn't sound like the freedom that Jesus brought?
The freedom Jesus brought is forgivness not permission to sin.That and the fulfillment of the law of Moses. Luke 24:44
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Nick keeps saying Old Testament. Truth is the Ten commandments are in the New Testament All Ten.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
What is the love? That we walk after His commandments. This is the Commandment. What is the commandment? That we walk after His commandments. As we have heard from the beginning we should walk in them.
Is that what 2John 1:6 is saying?The endtime church will be keeping the Commandments of God.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.Now what are the saints of the last days doing? The saints keep the commandments of God period.
Is that what Rev. 12:17 and Rev 14:12 is saying? Really read it over if you want but the letters won't change. Neither will the meaning.
Visit the Ten Commandment thread and read all the scriptures given. Ask yourself what the scriptures say. Pray ask God to show you His will. It's His will that matters not our will. Jesus said your will be done not my will Father.
kenrchYou say…
Quote What is the love? That we walk after His commandments. This is the Commandment. What is the commandment? That we walk after His commandments. As we have heard from the beginning we should walk in them.
Is that what 2John 1:6 is saying?Jesus said…
Jn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.Matt 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.All is fulfilled in Christ by faith as NH said.
If you go about trying to establish right standing with God by keeping the law, ;then you should keep all the law like Passover, all the major feast etc..
We walk by faith. We are not justified by keeping the law.
WJ are you able to keep the Commandments?
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.Is the Law done away with? GOD FORBID!
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Faith without works is dead faith is it not.
You know the scriptures why do you deny them?THIS IS THE COMMANDMENT:
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Do you deny this scripture? The Commandment we have had from the beginning! That we walk after His Commandments!
This IS the LOVE! Or do you just have lip service?Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
kenrchYou say…
Quote WJ are you able to keep the Commandments?
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.First of all I never said the law was done away with.
Secondly the law is our school master to bring us to Christ.
Thirdly We walk by faith, for by grace we are saved through faith, and not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, “Not of works” lest any man should boast, for we “Are his workmanship, *created in Christ Jesus unto good works” Eph 2:8,9
And if you quote Rom 7 then you need to forget the Chapter divisions which are not inspired and go to…
Rom 8:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free f
rom the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.When men start saying that you have to do this and that to please God, then I am cautious, because men are always trying to put shackles on Gods people.
Faith without works is dead yes, but there is also what is known as dead works.
Gal 3:
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer *under a schoolmaster*.Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the “sabbath days”:Sorry I dont hold your view about coming under the law.
Which law WJ? Which law was a school master to bring us to Christ. Luke 24:44The ten commandments was a school master that brought us to Christ that we would not have to do God's will? 😀 🙂
Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
What are your fruits WJ?Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.Are you a worker of Lawlessness? Do you teach that we don't keep the commandments of God?
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Don't you believe the Master you say you serve?
Why was God's Law placed inside the ark and Moses' Law on the side of the ark. Which law did Jesus fulfill:
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.
Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Deu 10:3 And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.
Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and PUT THE TABLES IN THE ARK which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it IN THE SIDE of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.You say you are sorry not as sorry as you will be when Jesus says “depart from me you worker of Lawlessness” What law is Jesus speaking of, the ritualistic law of Moses? Or the LAW of His Father?
Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand and you who twist them will be destroyed unless you come out of her.
2Peter 3:15-17:2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the ERROR OF LAWLESS PEOPLE and lose your own stability.
Who are the lawless people WJ? The people of the Harlot that's who and if you keep her doctrine you will not keep the Father's laws you cannot and your pride will not.
You keep the doctrine of the Harlot then you are of the Harlot.
Read Romans 8 Wj if you dare.Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
**who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit**.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:What was Jesus sent to do WJ, destroy His Father's and HIS Law? Or fulfill the sacrifice of the Law of Moses. Luke 24:44
What could not the law do? The sacrifical law could not forgive sin. Was that the ten commandments?
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:[WHY WJ?] for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
You cannot keep the Commandments WJ because you are still in the Harlot and are carnal minded.Moses law:
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:You youself quote it:
Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the “sabbath days”:”
Sabbath DayS not Sabbath day!Which of the Ten commandments has anything to do with food and drink and feasts days or SabbathS annual Sabbaths WJ? As I have proved the law is separated: The Law Of God who wrote the Ten Commandments in Stone. And the sacrifical law God gave Moses to write in a book placed outside the ark.
You twist the scriptures just as Peter says you do in order to keep your lawlessness doctrine of the Harlot.Come out of her before judgment day.
IHN&L,
Ken
BTW I keep the commandments because I'm saved not to be saved. The works come after faith BUT faiths without works is DEAD. Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we (those saved) establish the law.
God was pleased to reveal things to little children. Jesus thought this was a great idea! To keep the things from God hidden from the wise of the day……Jesus reveals his Father to whom he chooses.
My daughter is 7, and she read the Bible with me. She asked me one day, “Mommy, how old is God?” And I asked her why she wanted to know. She said, “Well, if Jesus is his son, and he was around 30 when he died…….how old is God?”
The Trinity is not true for the simple reason that CHILDREN DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT NATURALLY (read: without coaching and examples such as the egg, and water, and 3 leaf clovers).
Matthew 11:25
“…I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”Here's an updated statement of faith for everyone including 94:
1. Trinitarians (Me, WJ, Is1:8, CB): Jesus and the Spirit are each God and distinct persons along with the Father, yet they are not three gods, but one God.
2. Jehovah's Witnesses (David): Jesus is a created god. The Spirit is … ?
3. TimothyVI: Jesus is a god. He has his own spirit, and God has an impersonal Spirit too.
4. Not3in1: Jesus did not pre-exist as a person prior to his human birth. Jesus has always been the plan of God from eternity. God created everything and everyone “through” this plan, and thus, “through” Jesus. Jesus is the literal Son of God, and Mary. He is a combination of both God, and man. Son of God, Son of Man. The Holy Spirit is WHO God is. It is also a gift by which we are sealed, and belong to God and his Christ We fellowship with God, and his Son, and each other by this same spirit.
5. t8: Jesus is an uncreated divine being who shares some of the nature of the Father but has some different properties from the Father and is not the same God as the Father. The Spirit is …?
6. Nick: Jesus is the Word. The Word was God, but Jesus was never God. Rather, Christ had divine origins but was not a worshiped deity or divinity. He is the most glorious being under our God. The Spirit of God is an aspect of God, revealed through creation but fully through Jesus, and shared among us.
7. Kenrch: Jesus is one person in the Godhead along with the Father. They share the same impersonal Spirit.
9. 94: Jesus is just a man. The Spirit is … ?
10. WhatisTrue: (I forget, sorry.)
11. Charity: (Sorry, I don’t know.)
12. Adam Pastor: (Also don’t know.)
Quote The Trinity is not true for the simple reason that CHILDREN DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT NATURALLY (read: without coaching and examples such as the egg, and water, and 3 leaf clovers). Matthew 11:25
“…I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”Good point N3I1.
Quote The Trinity is not true for the simple reason that CHILDREN DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT NATURALLY (read: without coaching and examples such as the egg, and water, and 3 leaf clovers). Matthew 11:25
“…I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”Francis Dávid, superintendent of the Translyvania Reformed Church and the court preacher wrote regarding the complex teachings related to the Trinity:
“If these things are necessary for salvation, it is certain that no poor peasant Christian is saved, because he could never understand them in all his life.”
Quote (david @ April 14 2007,18:27) Quote The Trinity is not true for the simple reason that CHILDREN DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT NATURALLY (read: without coaching and examples such as the egg, and water, and 3 leaf clovers). Matthew 11:25
“…I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”Francis Dávid, superintendent of the Translyvania Reformed Church and the court preacher wrote regarding the complex teachings related to the Trinity:
“If these things are necessary for salvation, it is certain that no poor peasant Christian is saved, because he could never understand them in all his life.”
Davidisnt Transylvania where the vampires came from.
Id rather beieve the scriptures than the words of carnal men.
Quote Id rather beieve the scriptures than the words of carnal men. That was his point silly!
Matthew 11:25
“…I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”Quote (Tim2 @ April 13 2007,07:55) Ok, thanks guys. Here's my update. Keep making changes: 1. Trinitarians (Me, WJ, Is1:8, CB): Jesus and the Spirit are each God and distinct persons along with the Father, yet they are not three gods, but one God.
2. Jehovah's Witnesses (David): Jesus is a created god. The Spirit is … ?
3. TimothyVI: Jesus is a god. He has his own spirit, and God has an impersonal Spirit too.
4. Not3in1: Jesus is a person who was always part of God, God's seed, but his divine nature became fused with man when he was born to Mary, a hybrid God-Man. The Spirit of God is Who He is, an aspect of God, revealed in nature but fully by Jesus, and is shared among us.
5. t8: Jesus is an uncreated divine being who shares some of the nature of the Father but has some different properties from the Father and is not the same God as the Father. The Spirit is …?
6. Nick: Jesus is the Word. The Word was God, but Jesus was never God. Rather, Jesus had divine origins from God. He emptied himself of his power on earth while still retaining his divinity, but now has his full glory and power. The Spirit of God is an aspect of God, revealed through creation but fully through Jesus, and shared among us.
7. Kenrch: Jesus is one person in the Godhead along with the Father. They share the same impersonal Spirit.
8. WhatisTrue: (I forget, sorry.)
9. Charity: (Sorry, I don’t know.)
7. Kenrch: Jesus is one person in the Godhead along with the Father. They share the same impersonal Spirit.I'm really not too crazy about the word impersonal. I have stated that the Holy Spirit is God. And that the Spirit lives in those born again. How much MORE prersonal can you get.
To say impersonnal is to say that I don't have a “personal” relationship with God. Which would be hard to do seeing He lives in my heart.
Is the Holy Spirit a separate person? NO! The Holy Spirit is God. God is a Spirit. ONE Spirit, we His children along with Jesus live in that Spirit.
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, FOR WE ARE ALSO HIS OFFSPRING.
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 14 2007,18:02) God was pleased to reveal things to little children. Jesus thought this was a great idea! To keep the things from God hidden from the wise of the day……Jesus reveals his Father to whom he chooses. My daughter is 7, and she read the Bible with me. She asked me one day, “Mommy, how old is God?” And I asked her why she wanted to know. She said, “Well, if Jesus is his son, and he was around 30 when he died…….how old is God?”
The Trinity is not true for the simple reason that CHILDREN DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT NATURALLY (read: without coaching and examples such as the egg, and water, and 3 leaf clovers).
Matthew 11:25
“…I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”
Hmmm…is a small child's understanding the acid test for the veracity of a doctrine? Maybe I should have my 5 year old decipher the book of Hebrews for me, or maybe Revelation….that should be amusing.(NWT) The Holy Spirit is Jehovah from the Jehovah's Witnesses own bible
His Divinity is Stated
·Notice who the Holy Spirit is according to the New World Translation:
·“Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.” (2 Cor. 3:17). (NWT)
·“…exactly as done by Jehovah the Spirit” (2 Cor. 3:18, NWT).
Quote (Cult Buster @ April 15 2007,16:01) (NWT) The Holy Spirit is Jehovah from the Jehovah's Witnesses own bible His Divinity is Stated
·Notice who the Holy Spirit is according to the New World Translation:
·“Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.” (2 Cor. 3:17). (NWT)
·“…exactly as done by Jehovah the Spirit” (2 Cor. 3:18, NWT).
I believe dat said the old lady in the first front pew How about that where is David? I thought the Spirit was just a current of air according to the JWs.
Sure the Holy Spirit IS GOD
Bless you CB!
IHN&L,Ken
Jehovah (Jesus) whom they have pierced
Jehovah said:
“…and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced” (Zec. 12:10).
The preceding verses (1, 4, 7, 8) identify Jehovah as the one speaking. Christ is the one who was pierced, and John 19:37 clearly tells us that this prophecy was fulfilled in His crucifixion.
Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced..
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Jehovah) OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Jesus Christ was the descendent of David, who was to be called Jehovah our righteousness.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 15 2007,11:02) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 14 2007,18:02) God was pleased to reveal things to little children. Jesus thought this was a great idea! To keep the things from God hidden from the wise of the day……Jesus reveals his Father to whom he chooses. My daughter is 7, and she read the Bible with me. She asked me one day, “Mommy, how old is God?” And I asked her why she wanted to know. She said, “Well, if Jesus is his son, and he was around 30 when he died…….how old is God?”
The Trinity is not true for the simple reason that CHILDREN DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT NATURALLY (read: without coaching and examples such as the egg, and water, and 3 leaf clovers).
Matthew 11:25
“…I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”
Hmmm…is a small child's understanding the acid test for the veracity of a doctrine? Maybe I should have my 5 year old decipher the book of Hebrews for me, or maybe Revelation….that should be amusing.
2Co 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Unless we stop being worldly adults and more like the spiritual children we are, we won't learn. There is not enough room for traditions and truth. So we start anew forgetting the traditions of men and become as children for such is the kingdom of heaven.
I don't know if I ever told you guys BUT I LOVE THE TRUTH
Hi Isaiah,
You probably should have your 5 year old read the bible with you and have him give you some commentary – it IS pretty enlightening
By the way, I'm not the one who said that little children were the test for understanding…….It was GOD'S pleasure to reveal things to children and keep them from people like us (ouch). So, yes, I encourage you to ask your 5 year old about Hebrews, and get back to us on what you learn – will ya?
CB,
I thought God couldn't die? Now you're willing to admit that God was pierced? It sounds like your theory contradicts scripture, I don't know?
NTiO,
So the scriptural underpinnings of all doctrines have to have to be understandable to a small child to be valid? Is this what you hold to?Do you understand every passage in the Bible?
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