The Trinity Doctrine

[NickHassan]

Hi Is1.18,
Christ never claimed to be as great as God[the Father]but constantly stated his dependance on the greater Being, God[the Father]
The rest is theological speculation.

[Is 1:18]

Why can you never just simply address the points that are submitted to you?

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,
You need to use theological words such as 'hypostasis' which is not the same language of scripture we use here.

“it speaks of the Divine essence of God existent and expressed in the revelation of His Son.”

So the divine essence-is that the Spirit of God-expressed in the Son of God?

[Is 1:18]

Nick, “hypostasis” is the word the writer of Hebrews used!!

[Is 1:18]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2007,20:42)

So the divine essence-is that the Spirit of God-expressed in the Son of God?

Well by that logic all spirit-filled believers would have the same “hypostasis” as the Father….

Is that what you think?!?

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NH

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Hi Is 1.18, You need to use theological words such as 'hypostasis' which is not the same language of scripture we use here.

Nick. What language of scripture do you use here on this forum?

[NickHassan]

Hi,

Heb 1.3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person [5287],
Number 5287
Transliteration:
hupostasis {hoop-os'-tas-is}
Word Origin:
from a compound of 5259 and 2476
TDNT:
8:572,1237
Part of Speech:
noun feminine
Usage in the KJV:
confidence 2, confident 1, person 1, substance 1

Total: 5
Definition:
a setting or placing under
thing put under, substructure, foundation
that which has foundation, is firm
that which has actual existence
a substance, real being
the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing
the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution
confidence, firm trust, assurance

So to be the image of that hypostasis is certainly not to still be a part of that person or a part with that person who Himself is God [the Father] or in any sort of multipersonality being.

[Is 1:18]

Hebrews 1:3 states that Yeshua's essence/substance is identical to the Father's. The Father has a 'divine essence'. So does the Son.

Whether you like it or not, that is was the verse is saying….

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,
Since when is an image mean they are of the same substance?

[Is 1:18]

What do you take “charaktēr” to mean?

[NickHassan]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 25 2007,05:05)

What do you take “charaktēr” to mean?

Hi is 1.18
'Number 5481
Transliteration:
charakter {khar-ak-tare'}
Word Origin:
from the same as 5482
TDNT:
9:418,1308
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
express image 1

Total: 1
Definition:
the instrument used for engraving or carving
the mark stamped upon that instrument or wrought out on it
a mark or figure burned in (Lev. 13:28) or stamped on, an impression
the exact expression (the image) of any person or thing, marked likeness, precise reproduction in every respect, i.e facsimile

So must an image be made of the same substance?
A mirror produces an image but is of glass and metal.
An idol image of a bull can be smaller or made of gold.
Adam was made in the image of God but sizewise?

[Is 1:18]

It means exact representation…if it were an inferior “hypostasis”, it would not then be “exact”.

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,
Are you sure it does not mean he, as vessel, revealed the full deity of God?
But if the Son was begotten as an exact image then that image existed with God in the beginning.
Then he was sent into the world partaking of flesh.

[Is 1:18]

That's not what Hebrews 1:3 is saying, no.

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,
So did God send His image into the world?

[Is 1:18]

Hebrews 1:1-3
1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

The statement is made in reference to the risen Lord, “He is (not was) the radiance of His glory…”. The Logos, Who existed in the form (“morphe” = nature) of God (Heb 2:6) and was God (John 1:1) was sent….

Hope this helps.

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,
So he was not an image after all?

[Is 1:18]

Well gee NH, how do I respond to a question like that? I don't. It's too silly, and has already been explained to you.

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,
It calls for some evidence for your statement that it refers to the risen Lord.

[Is 1:18]

Hi NH,
I did give you some (“is” not “was”). And just look at the context of vss 1-5, that should tell you. It's not complex.

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