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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 22 2007,22:29) Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 22 2007,22:09) Nick, thank you. This is what I thought. When I was 9 I was baptized with the trinity formula. Just recently, I have joined a fellowship that meets in houses and decided I wanted to get re-baptized into Jesus (because I denounced the trinity in 2003). I saw this as the perfect time to re-dedicate to Christ and follow the first believer's – and be baptized into the name of Jesus. Well, guess what? To my surprise, as this brother (who is a Biblical Unitarian), was dunking me, he used the trinity formula! I was so shocked (even while I was under the water), that I didn't know what to say. And guess what else? Others that were present didn't even notice. I mentioned it to several later on and they said they didn't rememeber what the brother said. Which is typical, everyone was caught up in the emotion of it.
At any rate, I'm struggling with this – obviously. What do you think I should do? Do it again? Or just know that God knows my heart? Maybe it doesn't matter at all?
Hi Not3in1:What I have learned through experience is that it does not matter which formula is used but that you believe with a repentant heart.
You are saved by faith and you responded to that faith by water baptism.
There is some question whether or not Matthew 28:19 is a valid scripture, but I understand that the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is Jesus which means Jehovah is salvation.
If you have received the Holy Ghost, then your sins have been forgiven. It is not the water that washes away your sins but the blood of Jesus.
This is my understanding. I hope that it helps.
God Bless
94,That is my understanding also. Otherwise the apostles disobeyed a direct order from Jesus. What is the name of the Holy Spirit anyway?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 22 2007,22:09) Nick, thank you. This is what I thought. When I was 9 I was baptized with the trinity formula. Just recently, I have joined a fellowship that meets in houses and decided I wanted to get re-baptized into Jesus (because I denounced the trinity in 2003). I saw this as the perfect time to re-dedicate to Christ and follow the first believer's – and be baptized into the name of Jesus. Well, guess what? To my surprise, as this brother (who is a Biblical Unitarian), was dunking me, he used the trinity formula! I was so shocked (even while I was under the water), that I didn't know what to say. And guess what else? Others that were present didn't even notice. I mentioned it to several later on and they said they didn't rememeber what the brother said. Which is typical, everyone was caught up in the emotion of it.
At any rate, I'm struggling with this – obviously. What do you think I should do? Do it again? Or just know that God knows my heart? Maybe it doesn't matter at all?
I assume the Trinity Formula is …. The father and the son and the Holy Spirit?What IS the Trinity Formula?
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PhoenixWell if that is the Trinity Formula then we have a big Fat problem then dont we?
haha
So what is the other formula for baptism then??
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PhoenixQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,22:35) Hi 94,
Acts 22
” 16'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'Whose name?
We cannot ignore such verses.
Certainly it is not written that the apostles were baptised and Jesus said to them in Jn 15
” 3″You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. “
But we should try to fulfill all righteousness as Jesus did if we are following him.
Hi Nick:Not3in1 was baptized, and therefore she has followed the command of Jesus which he said was necessary to fulfill all righteousness.
In the “name of” the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost implies “unity of purpose”. The name “Jesus”means “Jehovah is Salvation”. God's purpose for this world is the salvation of His children from the consequences of sin, therefore, in that sense it is his name. He has many names after his purpose i.e. Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Shalom, etc.
In Rev. 14:1 relative to the 144,000 the scripture states: “And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on Mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty four thousand, HAVING HIS FATHER'S NAME WRITTEN IN THEIR FOREHEADS”, for example.
The point is, based on my understanding, that Not3in1 has been baptized, and as she has indicated God does know her heart. If she came by faith with a repenant heart, then her sins are forgiven. (I gather that Not3in1 is a female by some of the responses. I hope that this is right.)
Water baptism symbolizes our union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection, and therefore also symbolizes that our sins have been washed away, but of course, in reality, it is the blood of Jesus that washes away our sins. Being baptized, is an act obedience to our faith, and Not3in1 has done this.
God Bless
I chatted with my husband over this baptism concern tonight and he said, “Come on! Let's get in the hot tub and I'll dunk you under the name of Jesus only!” Ha! We both laughed…..but I'm tempted to do it.
I really want to follow the Lord. I really did think I was going to be baptized in the name of Jesus only. When we had our meetings before the baptism, I made it perfectly clear that the reason I was doing it was because I had been baptized under a triune god that I no longer serve. And that I wanted the baptism that Acts talks about. I thought I was being pretty clear. I should have asked and made sure. My baptism day was quite an ordeal. We had a BBQ and close family and friends attended. Now, I feel a bit let down in my heart that it wasn't done “right.” I've prayed and prayed about this. I just have an uneasy feeling, ya know? I'm not sure what to do now. I guess my husband could dunk me, couldn't he? And maybe I'm getting to legalistic about this, too? I guess more prayer is needed.Yes, 94, you are correct – I am a chick. I feel a bit out numbered on this board. But I am glad to see so many brothers serving the Lord. My husband supports me, but he is not as passionate about God as I am. I fear that he has lost his first love…..
Hi 94,
As a side note the KJV of Rev 14.1 is clearly based on different manuscripts.
KJV
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
NASB
1Then I looked, and behold, (A)the Lamb was standing on (B)Mount Zion, and with Him Âone hundred and forty-four thousand, having (D)His name and the (E)name of His Father written (F)on their foreheads.
NIV
1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
ESV
1Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.So, two names written on foreheads. Intersting. What about the Holy Spirit? The third person of the Trinity gets no respect, I tell ya!
shush,
You will wake the sleepers and they will get their heads together to formulate yet another means of reinforcement for their creaky foundational doctrine. Preserving their beliefs is paramount to them.Hi,
Is 42
1″Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold;
My chosen one in whom My soul delights
I have put My Spirit upon Him;”So God [the Father] says that Jesus is HIS SERVANT and He has put HIS SPIRIT on him.
No room for any trinity nonsense in these words.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2007,23:22) shush,
You will wake the sleepers and they will get their heads together to formulate yet another means of reinforcement for their creaky foundational doctrine. Preserving their beliefs is paramount to them.
If people build lots of things on a faulty foundation, then they might not notice how weak the foundation if they focus on those works.Hi martian.
Quote (martian @ Mar. 23 2007,15:38) Hi — new here.
Can someone give me a good definition of the verses in John 1?Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 23 2007,03:44) I chatted with my husband over this baptism concern tonight and he said, “Come on! Let's get in the hot tub and I'll dunk you under the name of Jesus only!” Ha! We both laughed…..but I'm tempted to do it. I really want to follow the Lord. I really did think I was going to be baptized in the name of Jesus only. When we had our meetings before the baptism, I made it perfectly clear that the reason I was doing it was because I had been baptized under a triune god that I no longer serve. And that I wanted the baptism that Acts talks about. I thought I was being pretty clear. I should have asked and made sure. My baptism day was quite an ordeal. We had a BBQ and close family and friends attended. Now, I feel a bit let down in my heart that it wasn't done “right.” I've prayed and prayed about this. I just have an uneasy feeling, ya know? I'm not sure what to do now. I guess my husband could dunk me, couldn't he? And maybe I'm getting to legalistic about this, too? I guess more prayer is needed.Yes, 94, you are correct – I am a chick. I feel a bit out numbered on this board. But I am glad to see so many brothers serving the Lord. My husband supports me, but he is not as passionate about God as I am. I fear that he has lost his first love…..
Hi not 3,
I think the one who baptises should have been baptised correctly himself.
What do others think?I have asked a few other non-trinitarian people what formula they used for baptism and they gave me the Matthew 28:19 formula. So it seems to me that there are a lot out there that are being baptised under the “Trinity” formula. And most likely dont know it. However, I didnt know it was a “Trinity” formula till it was mentioned earlier. So really, I think there will be a lot of people that were baptised using that formula.
*shrugs*
Just a thought.
I say this, too, after reading the Mat 28:19 thread.
Hugs
Ok… I found this …..
Is 9:5-7
5For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
I am looking for some more too.
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PhoenixQuote (t8 @ Mar. 23 2007,04:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2007,23:22) shush,
You will wake the sleepers and they will get their heads together to formulate yet another means of reinforcement for their creaky foundational doctrine. Preserving their beliefs is paramount to them.
If people build lots of things on a faulty foundation, then they might not notice how weak the foundation if they focus on those works.
Hi,
W has told us he is too set in his traditional ways to consider being taught anything new which is sad as The Spirit of God would love to assemble all that scriptural information he has collected into beautiful truth and order rather than faulty speculative human doctrines.Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 23 2007,06:16) I have asked a few other non-trinitarian people what formula they used for baptism and they gave me the Matthew 28:19 formula. So it seems to me that there are a lot out there that are being baptised under the “Trinity” formula. And most likely dont know it. However, I didnt know it was a “Trinity” formula till it was mentioned earlier. So really, I think there will be a lot of people that were baptised using that formula. *shrugs*
Just a thought.
I say this, too, after reading the Mat 28:19 thread.
Hugs
I was baptized about 30 years ago in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I recently asked my Pastor if he would re-baptize me in the name of Jesus.He refused!
Tim
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