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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2007,04:17) Quote (quitarguingoverstupidstuff @ Feb. 09 2007,03:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2007,02:07) Hi qa,
Acts 17:31
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
What point are you shooting for here?Why can't you speak with “straight talk”, but instead with just throwing scriptures out with no explanation as to what point you are trying to make?
You are very confusing to conversate with.
Let's practice a normal conversation…..shall we?
Ok….I'm going to ask you a question, and than I would like it if you could simply answer YES…….or…………NO.
Ready? Let's practice………………
Do you celebrate Christmas?
(please answer with a simple YES or NO, and not one of your usual incoherent answers)
Hi qa,
What do you mean?
Do I go to midnight mass? no
Do I enjoy the holiday with my family? Yes.
No point in going to work as no one else is there and we love each other and any excuse is good enough for a celebratory reunion.
Do you use a tree, or trade gifts?Hi qa,
So you think you have found the right denomination and that is enough?
You accept their whole kit and kiboodle despite knowing they harbour falsehood?
Who is your master then?Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2007,06:03) Hi qa,
So you think you have found the right denomination and that is enough?
You accept their whole kit and kiboodle despite knowing they harbour falsehood?
Who is your master then?Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
Why do you care?You celebrate a holiday with direct links to Babylonian Sun worship……and yet I'm the fool?
I haven't been a witness in over 10 years, yet I never thought even once of celebrating a pagan holiday simply because it was “tradition”
Ask yourself why you celebrate the things you celebrate, and take the time to realize that you are exercising in False Worship…..whether intentional or not. (watch the history channel during next Christmas). I hang out with family or go snowboarding, but I'd never bring a tree into my house, and do all of the other “traditional” things people do, because I know where those practices came from.
The Israelites were used to worshiping False-Gods when they first left Egypt. Because they liked those fun “traditions”, they made up an excuse to have a party and say it was for their god. So they made a calf and had a party.Wooooohooooooo!
What happened after that?
Who are you to judge the history of anyone or any people when you “currently” go along with a sun worship tradition?
Ignorance is bliss…………..but it's still ignorance!! And it can sometimes be quite costly……
So tell me……Who is your master?
It must be nice for you to have such a close relationship with god, seeing as to how you get to see him every time you look in a mirror.
Unfortunately, so far he hasn't kept you from disobeying the bible you claim to know and respect so much.
You said……
“Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you”.I hope this is true in your case….because apparently basic knowledge is something that still needs to be “added to you”.
Quote (quitarguingoverstupidstuff @ Feb. 09 2007,06:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2007,06:03) Hi qa,
So you think you have found the right denomination and that is enough?
You accept their whole kit and kiboodle despite knowing they harbour falsehood?
Who is your master then?Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
Why do you care?You celebrate a holiday with direct links to Babylonian Sun worship……and yet I'm the fool?
I haven't been a witness in over 10 years, yet I never thought even once of celebrating a pagan holiday simply because it was “tradition”
Ask yourself why you celebrate the things you celebrate, and take the time to realize that you are exercising in False Worship…..whether intentional or not. (watch the history channel during next Christmas). I hang out with family or go snowboarding, but I'd never bring a tree into my house, and do all of the other “traditional” things people do, because I know where those practices came from.
The Israelites were used to worshiping False-Gods when they first left Egypt. Because they liked those fun “traditions”, they made up an excuse to have a party and say it was for their god. So they made a calf and had a party.Wooooohooooooo!
What happened after that?
Who are you to judge the history of anyone or any people when you “currently” go along with a sun worship tradition?
Ignorance is bliss…………..but it's still ignorance!! And it can sometimes be quite costly……
So tell me……Who is your master?
It must be nice for you to have such a close relationship with god, seeing as to how you get to see him every time you look in a mirror.
Unfortunately, so far he hasn't kept you from disobeying the bible you claim to know and respect so much.
You said……
“Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you”.I hope this is true in your case….because apparently basic knowledge is something that still needs to be “added to you”.
Hi qa,
Was that why you asked what I do on 25th December?
So you could judge me?
What do you do?
Eat bread and water and whip yourself?
Is enjoying the love of your family called sun worship where you come from?Quote (quitarguingoverstupidstuff @ Feb. 09 2007,05:52) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,03:52) Hello quitarguingoverstupidstuff,
A question for you though, if the watchtower allowed you back, would you automatically embrace every one of their teachings without ever questioning its veracity?
Nope……….I know too much not to………..
So you would exercise independant thought then?…..
Hi Is 1.18,
Safety in numbers drives men to seek ANY fellowship.
But true fellowship is with the Father and the Son first[1Jn 1]
And to have their fellowship we must abide in the Scriptures.[2Jn]
Trinity is not found taught there so to accept it is to accept we do not want their fellowship.I think when we ignore a clear biblical warning like Heb 10:25 we are vulnerable to falling into falsehood…..
When a man believes that Jesus is God, then he cannot truly believe that Jesus is Lord.
Is is the real reason why such a doctrine exists?
Why not, is not the whole world is under the sway of the evil one.
Acts 2:36
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.John 8:54
Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?Who among you believes what Jesus said?
Who among you loves the truth and listens to the one who is the truth?
Who among you listens to man and trusts in the works of man?Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Isaiah 6:3 says, “And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
” Did you catch that? That's one “holy” for each person of the Godhead!
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
All praise to God the Father… God the Son Jesus Christ… and God the Holy Spirit! ALL Three merit perfect praise. Holy, Holy, Holy! If there is only one God they would not have repeated the worshipful praise three times.
Holy! Holy! Holy!
I have heard a lot of weak arguments for the trinity.
Mat 28:19 is very weak since absolutely none of the desciples obeyed or practiced it.
They all baptized in the name of Jesus. Why would they have blatently disobeyed a command from Jesus?
The Isaiah 6:3 scripture is the absolute weakest “proof” that I have ever heard. In order to amplify
their meaning they could have said Holy a dozen times and that would not have meant that they were
praying to twelve gods in one.When I pray I do not say, Dear Father in heaven, Dear Father in heaven, Dear Father in heaven. Do you?
But I do say that my Father in heaven is Holy, Holy Holy!Tim
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,03:44) If Yahshua was just a man annointed by YHWH, then, to me, he would not be worthy of my adulation to the point where I would live for him. It makes all the difference that He did pre-exist His eartly entrance and in fact “was God” (John 1:1c).
My advice to you, Is 1:18 … is to change your way of thinking …- It is Almighty GOD who had ordained this man to be his vessel of salvation & reconciliation.
- It is Almighty GOD (who in view of the man Christ Jesus' total obedience to Him) has highly exalted him and made him, 'Lord of all' [Phil 2.8-9, Acts 2.36, 10.36]
- Therefore it is Almighty GOD who has considered this man, the man Christ Jesus, worthy of our adulation, hence, …
- (Phil 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
- (Acts 17:31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
And nowhere in Scripture, did GOD make a 'literal preexistence' a prerequisite of the exaltation of His Son.
NO! – the Son was begotten/conceived/began in the womb of his mother. Matthew & Luke describe the genesis of Jesus the Messiah [Matt. 1.18]. Gabriel explained to Mary that it was for that reason precisely (dio kai) i.e. the supernatural procreation of this child in the womb of Mary, why this child would be called 'the Son of God' [Luke. 1.35]
Matthew & Luke have no idea of a pre-existing being of some kind, being somehow transmuted into the womb of Mary.
NO! They describe the genesis of Jesus the Messiah!Therefore, it is on the basis of the total obedience and ultimate holy sacrifice of the man Christ Jesus, that Almighty GOD has highly exalted him & made him 'Lord'
Therefore, if that is good enough for GOD; making even the angels of GOD sing praise unto & show adulation to the Messiah, the Son of GOD [Rev 5.9, Heb 1.6, etc]; it should be good enough for us!
If what the man Christ Jesus has done is good enough for GOD his Father, it should be good enough for us, to give his Son adulation!
Therefore Is 1.18 … reconsider … rethink … change your thoughts …
bow the knee & adore the King Messiah, the man Christ Jesus.(Psa 2:12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
(John 5:23) That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
JESUS' EQUALITY WITH GOD
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MATTHEW 13:13-15 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and {their} ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with {their} eyes, and hear with {their} ears, and should understand with {their} heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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ISAIAH 6:9-10 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. (10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.JOHN 5:17-18 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. (18) Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
JOHN 10:30-33 I and {my} Father are one. (31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
JOHN 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew {it} unto you.
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JEREMIAH 22:5 But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the Lord, that this house shall become a desolation.
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MATTHEW 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, {thou} that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under {her} wings, and ye would not! (38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.MATTHEW 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
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JOHN 12:37-38 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: (38) That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
JOHN 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
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ISAIAH 6:1-5 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. (2) Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. (3) And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, {is} the Lord of hosts: the whole earth {is} full of his glory. (4) And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. (5) Then said I, Woe {is} me! for I am undone; because I {am} a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.<<<JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
ROMANS 9:5 Whose {are} the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ {came}, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. {RSV, NIV: “Christ, who is God over all”}
PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
TITUS 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; {RSV,NIV: “our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ”}Compare
Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre
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Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.2 PETER 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: {RSV, NIV: “our God and Saviour Jesus Christ”}
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Psa 102:24 I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
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HEBREWS 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: {God the Father calls the Son “Lord.”REVELATION 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Arche (“Beginning”) The Greek for “beginning” is arche, from which we get our word “architect.” Its literal meaning, according to Greek scholars, is “origin, active cause, source, uncreated principle.” So the above verse is describing Jesus as the “architect,” or Creator of the Universe. In Rev 21:6 “arche” is applied to the Father, so it can't possibly mean “created being,” as Jehovah's Witnesses and other heretics maintain.Compare
Psa 41:13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
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MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.JOHN 5:23 That all {men} should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
REVELATION 5:8 . . . the four beasts and four {and} twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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REVELATION 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.With
Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.Compare
1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts:With
MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . .
REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . .Compare
JEREMIAH 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.
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DANIEL 9:9 To the Lord our God {belong} mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;
LUKE 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
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LUKE 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
MARK 2:5-10 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. (6) But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, (7) Why doth this {man} thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?ACTS 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon {God}, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy;(The high priest understood Jesus’ claim to be God and wrongly accused Him of blasphemy.)
Blasphemy can only be committed against God.Compare
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
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Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mar 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch(Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Compare
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.With
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD (yhovah), I change not;
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: (because Jesus claimed the name of God)*EZEKIEL 34:11-12,15,22,31 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, {even} I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. (12) As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep {that are} scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day . . . (15) I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God . . . (22) Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle . . . (31) And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, {are} men, {and} I {am} your God, saith the Lord God. {cf. Ps 23:1, 80:1, 100:3, Is 40:11, Jer 23:1, 31:10}
+JOHN 10:7,11,14-16,26-29 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep . . . (11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep . . . (14) I am the good shepherd, and know my {sheep}, and am known of mine. (15) As the Father knoweth me, even so I know the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. (16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, {and} one shepherd . . . (26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. (27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any {man} pluck them out of my hand. (29) My Father, which gave {them} me, is greater than all; and no {man} is able to pluck {them} out of my Father's hand. {cf. Ezek 34:23, Mic 5:4, Zech 13:7 w/Mt 26:31, Heb 13:20, 1 Pet 5:4, Rev 7:17}
*ISAIAH 40:8 . . . the word of our God shall stand for ever.
+MATTHEW 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
*PSALM 148:1-2 Praise ye the Lord. Praise ye the Lord from the heavens: praise him in the heights. (2) Praise ye him, all his angels : praise ye him, all his hosts.
+HEBREWS 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
*ISAIAH 62:5 For {as} a young man marrieth a virgin, {so} shall thy sons marry thee: and {as} the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, {so} shall thy God rejoice over thee. {cf. Is 54:5-6, Hos 2:16-20}
+REVELATION 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. {cf. Mt 24:44, 25:1,6,13, Jn 3:29, Rev 21:9}
*DEUTERONOMY 10:17 For the Lord your God {is} God of Gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, . . . {cf. Ps 136:2-3, 1 Tim 6:15}
+REVELATION 17:14 . . . the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: . . .{cf. Rev 19:16}
*ISAIAH 48:17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; . . . {cf. 10:20, 43:3, 1 Sam 2:2, Ps 89:18}
+ACTS 3:13-14 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; . . . (14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, . . . {cf. Acts 2:27 w/ Ps 16:10, Is 49:7}
*REVELATION 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: . . . {cf. Is 60:19}
+REVELATION 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb {is} the light thereof.
*DEUTERONOMY 32:39 . . . neither {is there any} that can deliver out of my hand. {cf. Jn 10:29}
+JOHN 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neith
er shall any {man} pluck them out of my hand.*PROVERBS 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son {in whom} he delighteth.
+REVELATION 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
*PSALM 62:12 . . . unto thee, O Lord, {belongeth} mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work. {cf. Is 40:10}
+MATTHEW 16:27 For the Son of man shall . . . reward every man according to his works.
+REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward {is} with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
*EZEKIEL 34:17 . . . Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
+MATTHEW 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth {his} sheep from the goats:
*GALATIANS 1:4-5 . . . according to the will of God and our Father: (5) To whom {be} glory for ever and ever. Amen.
+2 PETER 3:18 . . . our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him {be} glory both now and for ever. Amen. {cf. Heb 13:21}
*JOHN 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and {of} the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. {cf. Mt 21;31, Lk 7:28, Acts 1:3, Rom 14:17, 1 Cor 4:20, 15:50, Col 4:11, Rev 12:10}
+COLOSSIANS 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated {us} into the kingdom of his dear Son: {cf. Jn 18:36, Eph 5:5, 2 Tim 4:1, Heb 1:8, 2 Pet 1:1}
*ROMANS 7:22 . . . the law of God . . . {cf. Ps 19:7}
+GALATIANS 6:2 . . . fulfil the law of Christ.
*ROMANS 8:9 . . . the Spirit of God . . .
+ROMANS 8:9 . . . the Spirit of Christ, .. .
*PSALM 71:5 For thou {art} my hope, O Lord God: . . .
+1 TIMOTHY 1:1 . . . Lord Jesus Christ, {which is} our hope;
*TITUS 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
+ACTS 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
*REVELATION 22:6 . . . the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel . . .
+REVELATION 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches . . .
*ROMANS 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called {to be} an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, {cf. Mk 1:14, Rom 15:16, 1 Thess 2:2,8-9, 1 Pet 4:17}
+ROMANS 15:19 . . . I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. {cf. Rom 1:16, 1 Cor 9:12, 2 Cor 2:12, 1 Thess 3:2}
*1 CORINTHIANS 15:9 . . . I persecuted the church of God. {cf. 1 Cor 11:22, Gal 1:13}
+MATTHEW 16:18 . . . thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; . . .
+ROMANS 16:16 . . . The churches of Christ salute you.
*TITUS 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, . . . {cf. Rom 12:11, Lk 4:8- “. . . him only shalt thou serve”}
+ROMANS 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, . . . {cf. Eph 6:6, Col 3:24; servants of both: Jas 1:1, Rev 7:3, 11:18, 19:5}
*ISAIAH 43:3 For I {am} the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: . . .
2) *ISAIAH 43:11 I, {even} I, {am} the Lord; and beside me {there is} no saviour.
3) *ISAIAH 49:26 . . . I the Lord {am} thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
4) *HOSEA 13:4 Yet I {am} the Lord thy God . . . {there is} no saviour beside me. {cf. Ps 106:21, Is 45:21-22, 60:16, 63:8}
5) *LUKE 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
6) *1 TIMOTHY 4:10 . . . the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. {cf. 1 Tim 1:1, 2:3, 2 Tim 1:9, Titus 1:3, 2:10, 3:4, Jude 1:25}
1) #ISAIAH 49:5-6 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb {to be} his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, . . . (6) And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
1)+LUKE 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
2)4) +ACTS 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand {to be} a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.5) +TITUS 2:13 . . . great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
6) +2 PETER 1:1 . . . God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
7) +1 JOHN 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son {to be} the Saviour of the world.
1)*ISAIAH 45:23 . . . unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. {cf. 66:23}
2)2) +PHILIPPIANS 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of {things} in heaven, and {things} in earth, and {things} under the earth; (11) And {that} every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ {is} Lord, to the glory of God the Father.1)*ISAIAH 35:4 . . . behold, your God will come {with} vengeance, {even} God {with} a recompence; he will come and save you.
2) *ISAIAH 40:5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see {it} together: . . .
3) *ISAIAH 40:10 Behold, the Lord God will come with strong {hand}, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward {is} with him, and his work before him.
2)7) *JOEL 2:10-11 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: (11) And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp {is} very great: for {he is} strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord {is} great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
3)5) +2 THESSALONIANS 1:7-8 . . . the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:6) +REVELATION 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they {also} which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {cf. Zech 12:10}
4)8) +REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward {is} with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.1)*PSALM 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is {judge} himself. Selah.
2)
3)*PSALM 96:13 Before the Lord: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.3) *ECCLESIASTES 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether {it be} good or whether {it be} evil.
4)1) +JOHN 5:22,27 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son . . . (27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.2) +JOHN 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
3) +ACTS 10:42 . . . it is he which was ordained of God {to be} the Judge of quick and dead.
4) +2 TIMOTHY 4:1 I charge {thee} therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
5)5) +REVELATION 6:16-17 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
6)) +REVELATION 19:11,15 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him {was} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war . . . (15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a ro
d of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.1)*PSALM 24:10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he {is} the King of glory. Selah
2)8) +REVELATION 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: . . .Compare
Psa 102:24 I said, O my God, do not take me up in the half of my days; Your years are through the generation of generations.
Psa 102:25 Before time You founded the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Psa 102:26 They shall perish, but You shall endure; yea, all of them shall wear out like a garment; You shall change them like clothing, and they shall be changed.
Psa 102:27 But You are He, and Your years shall not be ended.With
Heb 1:8 but as to the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom;
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows.” Psa. 45:6, 7
Heb 1:10 And, “You, Lord, at the beginning founded the earth, and the heavens are works of Your hands.
Heb 1:11 They will vanish away, but You will continue; and they will all become old, like a garment,
Heb 1:12 and You shall fold them up like a covering, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.Compare
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.With
Joh 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
Joh 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
Joh 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Joh 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.Compare
Psa 7:8 The LORD (Jehovah) shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.
Psa 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.1Ki 8:39 Then hear thou (Jehovah) in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;)
With
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I (Jesus) am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2007,03:55) Hi m42,
You say
'Not talking about vessels. I am speaking of doctrines/teachings. “Peter soaked up all the wisdom Jesus revealed from God.
Jn 668Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus was excited that Peter had been taught of God's Spirit.
Matt 16
“16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”
A vessel cleansed and educated by the word and the Spirit and able to be used of God.
your posts has nothing to do with mine so I will just chalk it up as another one of your platitudes.Hi m42,
But it has.
You are interested in the functionality of doctrine in enabling us to change to being Christlike.
Christ is like to us and submitted to God so that he could be used by God as a vessel.
So can we.
The works and teachings of Christ were the works and teachings of God within him.
We can be so used too.
But it is the work of God.
That work is by the Spirit of God.
We must be reborn of that Spirit in the same way Christ was and follow him.
Grace.It is impossible to grasp these concepts from a trinity basis because they teach God came in flesh as Christ in his own power.
But scripture says
Acts 10
34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Quote (Adam Pastor @ Feb. 09 2007,12:34) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,03:44) If Yahshua was just a man annointed by YHWH, then, to me, he would not be worthy of my adulation to the point where I would live for him. It makes all the difference that He did pre-exist His eartly entrance and in fact “was God” (John 1:1c).
My advice to you, Is 1:18 … is to change your way of thinking …- It is Almighty GOD who had ordained this man to be his vessel of salvation & reconciliation.
- It is Almighty GOD (who in view of the man Christ Jesus' total obedience to Him) has highly exalted him and made him, 'Lord of all' [Phil 2.8-9, Acts 2.36, 10.36]
- Therefore it is Almighty GOD who has considered this man, the man Christ Jesus, worthy of our adulation, hence, …
- (Phil 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
- (Acts 17:31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
And nowhere in Scripture, did GOD make a 'literal preexistence' a prerequisite of the exaltation of His Son.
NO! – the Son was begotten/conceived/began in the womb of his mother. Matthew & Luke describe the genesis of Jesus the Messiah [Matt. 1.18]. Gabriel explained to Mary that it was for that reason precisely (dio kai) i.e. the supernatural procreation of this child in the womb of Mary, why this child would be called 'the Son of God' [Luke. 1.35]
Matthew & Luke have no idea of a pre-existing being of some kind, being somehow transmuted into the womb of Mary.
NO! They describe the genesis of Jesus the Messiah!Therefore, it is on the basis of the total obedience and ultimate holy sacrifice of the man Christ Jesus, that Almighty GOD has highly exalted him & made him 'Lord'
Therefore, if that is good enough for GOD; making even the angels of GOD sing praise unto & show adulation to the Messiah, the Son of GOD [Rev 5.9, Heb 1.6, etc]; it should be good enough for us!
If what the man Christ Jesus has done is good enough for GOD his Father, it should be good enough for us, to give his Son adulation!
Therefore Is 1.18 … reconsider … rethink … change your thoughts …
bow the knee & adore the King Messiah, the man Christ Jesus.(Psa 2:12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
(John 5:23) That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Hi AP,
I do not dispute that He is 'a man', obviously He was, and is. But He emptied Himself to take on this form…..2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Nevertheless He is, and was, walking deity….
Colossians 2:8-10
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;And He IS YHWH…..
Zechariah 14:1-5
1Behold, a day is coming for the LORD (YHWH) when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. 2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3Then the LORD (YHWH) will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. 5You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah Then the LORD (YHWH), my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!That's a man I can live for, not your paper Jesus…..
Therefore Adam Pastor … reconsider … rethink … change your thoughts …
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2007,10:10) When a man believes that Jesus is God, then he cannot truly believe that Jesus is Lord.
I have a question for you t8….Is Yahshua the Father's Lord?
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,08:22) Quote (quitarguingoverstupidstuff @ Feb. 09 2007,05:52) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,03:52) Hello quitarguingoverstupidstuff,
A question for you though, if the watchtower allowed you back, would you automatically embrace every one of their teachings without ever questioning its veracity?
Nope……….I know too much not to………..
So you would exercise independant thought then?…..
I'm human…..of course I'd exercise “independent thought”, but I'd be forced to humble myself for what is proved to be true from the bible.In my own ” self induced” mission to prove that we as humans can act as our own god on this earth, and that “gatherings” are not so important….I was continually proven that my thinking was not in line with the scriptures. Anymore……..If a belief is proven from the bible….then I'll believe it.
If I have my own beliefs that are yet to be discovered, than I know what group on earth will be the first to come to an accurate and more so a “united” understanding. It won't be any disagreeing, un-united group or any “individuals” who can't seam to speak in agreement on hardly any particular subject. Their wont be forced “Tithing” or expected monetary contributions by any of it's members, because Jesus said “give freely”. It also won't be any group who has to pass any one “mans” criteria to become a part of gods chosen people. ( http://www.thercg.org )
and sadly……It won't be being “born again” that will get you out of Babylon, for it is completely obvious to me that most “born again” Christians have no problem participating in “traditions” directly tied to Babylonian false worship.
God said his people would be united in thought and speak in agreement with no devisions. (1 Corinth 1:10)
Yes I'm human, and I'll still think (imperfectly) for myself, but I'll need to humble myself for what the GOD of the bible requires of his people. (This means I'll also have to learn to control my attitude and anger, or he will not except me)
I've learned what I now understand not from any one man, but everything I've learned has put me back to one place. (and it's not my own independent way of viewing the bible, it's gods way he intended the bible to be understood)
The fact that thousands of years of Babylon's “mystery” has been mixed in with truth, doesn't mean that we can't figure it out, because we can.
The question that remains thereafter is……are we willing to accept what we find out? Once a person completely understands the bible, they'll know the truth, but will they humble themselves to see “GODS” presence on earth?
This is a fact I've fought for years…..
I've found many men and groups that have a very “accurate” understanding of the bible, but “pride” tends to make them think that they can serve god on their own. (Don't forsake the gathering of yourselves)
Since the 1800's, major advancements in biblical knowledge has been delivered to mankind. Many of the “mysteries” from Babylon (such as the Trinity) have been made known to be un-scriptural to the people that actually want to know the truth. (I commend you for actually taking the time to care)
Of all of the people and groups that formed out of the late 1800's, only one group has proved themselves united around the whole world in the sanctifying of God's name and his kingdoms. Many come close, but tend to let “pride” and/or personal opinions get in the way of a true “united” cause.
For the life of me I can't figure out how over 6,000,000 people can stay united in declaring “only” what the bible says in such a united manner, and with completely open financial books as far as where the money from donations is used to expand this work. (and of course not add an additional bible to meet their own purposes)
I've seen the complete “unity” that exists with gods people, unfortunately…….my own “ego” made me walk away over 10 years ago, but enough is enough……
I've done enough “debating” and “philosophical” reasoning….and I finally understand that I don't need to do any more of it.
Keep pursuing the “true” meanings of the bible, and you will find it sooner or later (hopefully sooner)……….from there you simply need to use your bible based knowledge to “separate the wheat from the chaff”……and realize what separates “gods” chosen folowers from the many devisions that exist today.
(1 Corinthians 1:10)Quote (quitarguingoverstupidstuff @ Feb. 09 2007,20:14) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,08:22) Quote (quitarguingoverstupidstuff @ Feb. 09 2007,05:52) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,03:52) Hello quitarguingoverstupidstuff,
A question for you though, if the watchtower allowed you back, would you automatically embrace every one of their teachings without ever questioning its veracity?
Nope……….I know too much not to………..
So you would exercise independant thought then?…..
I'm human…..of course I'd exercise “independent thought”, but I'd be forced to humble myself for what is proved to be true from the bible.
Then I have to ask, since you do it yourself, what it is that you have against independant thinking? And why do you constantly deride others who do it?Quote God said his people would be united in thought and speak in agreement with no devisions. (1 Corinth 1:10)
Well not quite….here is what the verse actually records:1 Corinthians 1:10
10Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.Paul appealed to the church at Corinth to be of one mind, but this does not equate to your assertion: “God said his people would be united in thought and speak in agreement with no devisions”. Because we are free-will agents there will always be some disagreement, Paul and Peter disagreed as did Paul and Mark. But we should strive to be of one mind, as long as truth is the commonality.
QAOSS, how do you reconcile these two sentiments:
Quote I've found many men and groups that have a very “accurate” understanding of the bible, but “pride” tends to make them think that they can serve god on their own. (Don't forsake the gathering of yourselves) Quote I've seen the complete “unity” that exists with gods people, unfortunately…….my own “ego” made me walk away over 10 years ago, but enough is enough……
In one breath you affirm that we should not neglect gathering together and in the next you state that this is something you “walked away” from. If it's a christian mandate to gather together (and you agree that it is), shouldn't you take that seriously?Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,19:42) Quote (Adam Pastor @ Feb. 09 2007,12:34) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Feb. 09 2007,03:44) If Yahshua was just a man annointed by YHWH, then, to me, he would not be worthy of my adulation to the point where I would live for him. It makes all the difference that He did pre-exist His eartly entrance and in fact “was God” (John 1:1c).
My advice to you, Is 1:18 … is to change your way of thinking …- It is Almighty GOD who had ordained this man to be his vessel of salvation & reconciliation.
- It is Almighty GOD (who in view of the man Christ Jesus' total obedience to Him) has highly exalted him and made him, 'Lord of all' [Phil 2.8-9, Acts 2.36, 10.36]
- Therefore it is Almighty GOD who has considered this man, the man Christ Jesus, worthy of our adulation, hence, …
- (Phil 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
- (Acts 17:31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
And nowhere in Scripture, did GOD make a 'literal preexistence' a prerequisite of the exaltation of His Son.
NO! – the Son was begotten/conceived/began in the womb of his mother. Matthew & Luke describe the genesis of Jesus the Messiah [Matt. 1.18]. Gabriel explained to Mary that it was for that reason precisely (dio kai) i.e. the supernatural procreation of this child in the womb of Mary, why this child would be called 'the Son of God' [Luke. 1.35]
Matthew & Luke have no idea of a pre-existing being of some kind, being somehow transmuted into the womb of Mary.
NO! They describe the genesis of Jesus the Messiah!Therefore, it is on the basis of the total obedience and ultimate holy sacrifice of the man Christ Jesus, that Almighty GOD has highly exalted him & made him 'Lord'
Therefore, if that is good enough for GOD; making even the angels of GOD sing praise unto & show adulation to the Messiah, the Son of GOD [Rev 5.9, Heb 1.6, etc]; it should be good enough for us!
If what the man Christ Jesus has done is good enough for GOD his Father, it should be good enough for us, to give his Son adulation!
Therefore Is 1.18 … reconsider … rethink … change your thoughts …
bow the knee & adore the King Messiah, the man Christ Jesus.(Psa 2:12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
(John 5:23) That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Hi AP,
I do not dispute that He is 'a man', obviously He was, and is. But He emptied Himself to take on this form…..2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Nevertheless He is, and was, walking deity….
Colossians 2:8-10
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;And He IS YHWH…..
Zechariah 14:1-5
1Behold, a day is coming for the LORD (YHWH) when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. 2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3Then the LORD (YHWH) will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. 5You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah Then the LORD (YHWH), my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!That's a man I can live for, not your paper Jesus…..
Therefore Adam Pastor … reconsider … rethink … change your thoughts …
Hi Is 1.18,
God
was in Christ
is in Christ
and will be in Christ.That is UNITY
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