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Quote Hi W,
So the apostles used their own initiative rather than following instructions?Well if they were following the Spirit of God they would not have done that for the Spirit “does not speak on His own initiative”
I have no problems with any other verses apart from the added one in the KJV based bibles of 1Jn 5.7.
But to follow Constantine you have to add considerably to the bible all sorts of new initiatives and they finish up isolating you from the family of God.
NH
Well what about this one NH. If you study this scripture closely our Lord Jesus speaks of three.
Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Quote Hi W,
The apostles followed Jesus having learned at the knee of Wisdom.
So should we.NH
It was one of the Apostles named Mattew who quoted our Lord Jesus.
Would you agree?
Hi W,
There is some evidence that what was quoted has been altered by men.
There is another witness who has seen the original writings and, with no reason to lie, says it is not now as it was originally written.
Since what was done by the apostles is in accord with what Eusebius says was the original words of Jesus these words are under scrutiny.Why would you take so seriously these particular words when you propagate without qualms what is not written?
Is that not hypocritical?
Quote Hi W,
There is some evidence that what was quoted has been altered by men.
There is another witness who has seen the original writings and, with no reason to lie, says it is not now as it was originally written.
Since what was done by the apostles is in accord with what Eusebius says was the original words of Jesus these words are under scrutiny.Why would you take so seriously these particular words when you propagate without qualms what is not written?
Is that not hypocritical?
NH
Lame attempt to explain away what you cant explain.
We have 100s of manuscripts all verifying the truth of Mathews word, and you want to throw that away for some rumor of a dead man hundreds of years ago with no proof.
Quote Hi W,
There is some evidence that what was quoted has been altered by men.
There is another witness who has seen the original writings and, with no reason to lie, says it is not now as it was originally written.
Since what was done by the apostles is in accord with what Eusebius says was the original words of Jesus these words are under scrutiny.Why would you take so seriously these particular words when you propagate without qualms what is not written?
Is that not hypocritical?
Why do you disagree with Mathew 28:19 anyway?
You believe in the Father ,the Son, and a Holy spirit that is not God but is of God, dont you?
Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commandedNH
Into whose names are you baptised into?
See how they squirm.
Hi C,
Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Acts 4
” 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11He is
” 'the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the capstone.'
12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”How about you?
We know all that, but you haven't answered the question.
Into Whose names are you baptised into NH?
(You asked about me. See the following.)
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Come out of her!
Hi CB,
We are not followers of men and their dangerous doctrines. We are not a human denomination. We are searchers united by a love of truth. We do not seek followers but warn men to follow Jesus.What of yourself? Are you of the cult of Constantine and his minions?
Here is a “proof text” often used by these Arian cults to try to prove their “one God” theory.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
One God or one Godhead?
Let us take a closer look.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (Y'hovah) our God (Elohiym-plural) is one LORD (Y'hovah):
Here we again come across that word Elohiym.
ELOHIYM
H430
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; exceeding, God (gods)The same Godhead present at creation.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohiym-plural) created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:26 And God (Elohiym-plural) said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:Jesus also quoted Deu 6:4
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God (Theos) is one Lord:
Therefore the word Theos in the New Testament can sometimes refer to the Godhead as well as Christ, The Father or The Holy Spirit individually. Each text containing Theos must be considered in its context.
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Watch the squirming begin!
Hi CB,
We do not listen to the voice of strangers.
The Shepherd's voice echoes his words.
trinity is not found in his mouth.Quote Hi CB,
We do not listen to the voice of strangers.Of course you do not listen to the voice of strangers. Only to the voice of your Watchtower.
Come out of her!
Hi Cult Buster,
Interesting name you have.
I have noticed that you seem to repeat the same accusations and themes in the posts that I have read from you – namely that everyone here is bewitched by the Watchtower publication. Have you ever considered the idea that there are sincere students of scripture on here who have simply come to a different conclusion than you have about certain doctrines, and that they may have as much disdain for the Watchtower publication as you do? In fact, as far as I know, there is only one JW on this discussion forum. Everyone else, to my knowledge, is unaffiliated with any religious sect or denomination.
Have you considered that possibility, (as opposed to assuming that we are all JWs)?
Quote (Cult Buster @ Dec. 06 2006,01:38) Here is a “proof text” often used by these Arian cults to try to prove their “one God” theory. Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
One God or one Godhead?
Let us take a closer look.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (Y'hovah) our God (Elohiym-plural) is one LORD (Y'hovah):
Here we again come across that word Elohiym.
ELOHIYM
H430
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; exceeding, God (gods)The same Godhead present at creation.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohiym-plural) created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:26 And God (Elohiym-plural) said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:Jesus also quoted Deu 6:4
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God (Theos) is one Lord:
Therefore the word Theos in the New Testament can sometimes refer to the Godhead as well as Christ, The Father or The Holy Spirit individually. Each text containing Theos must be considered in its context.
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Watch the squirming begin!
Hi again Cult Buster,I just wanted to make a quick comment on this post.
If you are using the fact that “elohim” is a plural word in order to support that YHWH consists of more than one person, then you need to explain why all of the following singular gods were also referred to using the same term, “elohim”:
“Elohim” is used of Dagon, the god of the Philistines (1 Sam. 5:7); of Chemosh, the god of Ammon and Moab (Jud. 11:24; 1 Kings 11:33); of Ashtarte (or Ashtoreth), the god(dess) of the Sidonians (1 Kings 11:33); of Milcom, another god of the Ammorites (1 Kings 11:33).
Smith's Bible Dictionary, (a mainstream bible commentary), has this to say on the matter:
“The plural form of 'Elohim' has given rise to much discussion. The fanciful idea that it referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God (p. 220).”
LOL, Nick a JW.
CB, read up on your universal, and it is not a creed.
To be in the spirit, the bread and waters will taste the same, there will be no indifference, there is only unity in truth.
'quote: Interrogatory Creed of Hippolytus (ca. A.D. 215). The current form is first found in the writings of Caesarius of Arles (d 542).
The creed was apparently used as a summary of Christian doctrine for baptismal candidates in the churches of Rome. Hence it is also known as The Roman Symbol. 'unquote'This is the beginning of your creed you hold onto, which does not promote unity, only seperation.
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, being fitly joined together and united, through the supply of every joint, according to the working in the measure of each single part, the increase of the body doth make for the building up of itself in love.
Much love
Hi CB,
You quoted
'Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God (Theos) is one Lord:”So Jesus said about God that He is ONE.
He did not come then to proclaim himself a new deity as the Athenians also mistakenly thought Paul was teaching.ACTS 17
“18Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.19And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
20For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)”
He, whom you say is part of a trinity God, was not proclaiming himself to be God or part of any trinity or even proclaiming God was three.
He was confirming that the God of the Old Testament, his Father, was also the God of the New testament.
Nothing has changed.
He came to reveal His Father to men.
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