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Hi FYI,
You like verbatim so this is what you wrote
“The rib that was taken from Adam was representative of Christ[the Word of God] being taken from within the Father”So when the Son was begotten from the Father he became separate from the Father just as a surgeon removes a rib from the body? That rib retains no connection with the body from which it was taken does it? That rib retains the chromosomes from the body from which it was taken and unless it is given life it is dead. It contains some of the expression of those genes as bone and vessels and nerves and muscle etc. But it does not retain heart or brain or intestinal expressions. Likewise it is rib bone but not vertebra or femur etc. So it is not exactly the same.
Now God changes the chromosomes a bit and gives that tissue full expression and gives it separate and different life from man from which it all came.
So is that how you similarly relate the begetting of the Son from the Father?Separate?
Different?
Life in himself?
Lesser in authority?I think your idea has merit.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 26 2005,03:03) Hi FYI,
Excellent post. Its good to see someone really put some time and effort into a post like you have. I thought it was just so well written and to the point. Just one question, when you write Jesus was “brought forth” are you referring to a begettal before time or the incarnation? Just curious.Be well.
Hi Is 1:18 & berean2005,You are correct:
The scriptures say that the Word of God became flesh. That He was the “True Light” that lights every man. That He was the “Eternal Life” with the Father. That all things that exist were created through Him.
Isaiah 40: 28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD (YHWH) is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary, his understanding is unsearchable.
According to Micah 5:2 the future Saviours existance is “from everlasting” – a statement of eternity.
We know that all things were created by God, his Word, and his Spirit – YHWH alone inhabits eternity!
John 17:5 – And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 1:10 – He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
That He was in the “form (Gr=morphe) of God” and “equal” to God and with God.
Phil. 2: 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form (Gr=morphe – the nature or essence, not in the abstract, but as actually subsisting in the individual, and retained as long as the individual itself exists) of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped (prized, retained), 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form (Gr=homoioma – that which is made like something, a resemblance) he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil. 2:5-11: Paul writes,” though (Jesus) was in the form of God, (He) did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped.” The word here used for form is a Greek word that means “the set of characteristics which constitutes a thing what it is.” It denotes the exact nature of that thing. Incidentally, there is another word for form in the Greek which means the shape or appearance rather than the exact substance. Paul did not use that word. Let us remember that Paul was an orthodox Jew trained in the rabbinical teachings. He was a scholar and the Jew of Jews in zeal, holding to the one God teaching. Paul knew exactly what He was stating when He chose the word “form”. It suggests that the early Christians believed in the deity of Christ.
http://www.ldolphin.org/kellyc.html
Here John is explaining what Christ had claimed to the Jews that got Him in such trouble, calling Himself the Son of God was a direct assertion of equality and all the disciples and Jews knew that:
John 5:18 – This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God.
Christ wasn't called the “Son of God” until his birth:
Luke 1:35 – And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
That He took on flesh having “emptied” himself. Took on the form (Gr=homoioma – that which is made like something, a resemblance) of a servant and became obedient to death to purge us of our sins.
All scriptures in the OT that speak of the Son are prophetic except” maybe Proverbs 30:4 – However, this can also be argued to be prophetic as well. And, Isreal is also called as a nation God's son.
Proverbs 30: 4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
God exists outside the fabric and framework of time seeing the end of a thing at the same time as it's beginning.
Romans 4:17 – (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Christ said that He “came forth” from the Father:
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 3:20 – And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Adam called his wife Eve, God called them “Adam”
So also God and the Word of God are called YHWH![/B]
John 16:28 – I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
The term “Son of God” has two meanings – (1) having the nature and characteristics of, and (2) being a literal Son through birth. Both are applied to Christ.
Peter said and Christ confirmed:
Matthew 16:16 – And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Even the demons knew:
Mark 5:7 – And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Post incarnation John calls Him:
2 John 1:3 – Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
The writer of Hebrews says:
Hebrews 1:2 – Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:8 – But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The incarnation is the perfect union of God and man, so that in Christ we would have the perfect mediator.
John 5:18 – Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,05:14) Quote (Guest @ June 29 2005,02:00) Dualling verses: Acts 20:28 – Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Hi FYI,
You are a little behind on this matter. God is Spirit and does not bleed. His Son bleeds and His blood was shed as a member of God's family.
I suggest you check back on other manuscript versions here too.
Nick,That is precisely my point!
God is spirit and Christ is spirit of His spirit – ONE (ECHAD) spirit.
It is God's blood!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,10:52) Hi FYI,
“The rib that was taken from Adam was representative of Christ[the Word of God] being taken from within the Father”
Nick,You totally do NOT get it:
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 3:20 – And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Adam called his wife Eve, God called them “Adam”
So also YHWH and the Word of YHWH are called YHWH!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,09:02) Hi FYI,
You quote Heb 9.14. As you know the chapters 8-10 compare the Old Testament anilmal sacrifice means of obtaining forgiveness from God with that of the sacrifice of Jesus for us.” But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, he entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood. He entered the Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if all the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God”
So Jesus offered himself to God as our sacrifice. He made the choice to do so. He was not the God he offered himself to and neither was he in any way part of his Father God as a trinity.
Such doctrinal follies as trinity or oneness destroy the full meaning of the work of God on earth. It takes away all choice.
Nick,You deny the dual nature of Christ, the disciples did not.
The Word of YHWH became flesh and dwelt among us:
Luke 1:35 – And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
I understand, Berean2005 understands, Is 1:18 understands, epistemaniac understands. We are of the light.
It is the darkness that doesn't understand!
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Quote Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. That's only two, where's the third?
Rev 4: 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Rev 5: 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5: 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 1.4: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:17 – But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Ephesians 2:18 – For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Ephesians 4:4 – There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Hi,
Daniel7.13
” I kept looking in the night visions and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a son of Man was coming. And he came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him”
How many beings are seen here? two
Who is the one like a son of Man? The Son of God, Jesus Christ.
Who is the Ancient of Days? Yahweh, the Father.Why is he called The Ancient of Days? Because He is the unique and original God and it is He who was before all others including the Son.
Quote (Guest @ June 29 2005,11:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,05:14) Quote (Guest @ June 29 2005,02:00) Dualling verses: Acts 20:28 – Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Hi FYI,
You are a little behind on this matter. God is Spirit and does not bleed. His Son bleeds and His blood was shed as a member of God's family.
I suggest you check back on other manuscript versions here too.
Nick,That is precisely my point!
God is spirit and Christ is spirit of His spirit – ONE (ECHAD) spirit.
It is God's blood!
Hi FYI,
Husband and wife are also “Echad”Two individual beings united in harmony of will and purpose.
Quote (Guest @ June 29 2005,13:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,10:52) Hi FYI,
“The rib that was taken from Adam was representative of Christ[the Word of God] being taken from within the Father”
Nick,You totally do NOT get it:
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 3:20 – And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Adam called his wife Eve, God called them “Adam”
So also YHWH and the Word of YHWH are called YHWH!
Hi FYI,
God is Yahweh
Yeshua is his SonWhy would the Son be called by the descriptive name of His Father?
Why not look at the rest of the post-you seem to have missed it.
Quote (Guest @ June 29 2005,13:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,09:02) Hi FYI,
You quote Heb 9.14. As you know the chapters 8-10 compare the Old Testament anilmal sacrifice means of obtaining forgiveness from God with that of the sacrifice of Jesus for us.” But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, he entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood. He entered the Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if all the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God”
So Jesus offered himself to God as our sacrifice. He made the choice to do so. He was not the God he offered himself to and neither was he in any way part of his Father God as a trinity.
Such doctrinal follies as trinity or oneness destroy the full meaning of the work of God on earth. It takes away all choice.
Nick,You deny the dual nature of Christ, the disciples did not.
The Word of YHWH became flesh and dwelt among us:
Luke 1:35 – And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
I understand, Berean2005 understands, Is 1:18 understands, epistemaniac understands. We are of the light.
It is the darkness that doesn't understand!
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Hi FYI,
“Make sure the light in you is not darkness. For O how deep that darkness will be”Christ, within the flesh, certainly was a glorious vessel unlike our earthenware ones. But that vessel contained a more glorious nature yet-that is the Spirit of God. You seem to forget the Father by concentrating on the Son.
We prefer to be in harmony with the Word of God than men.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,20:04) Quote (Guest @ June 29 2005,13:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,10:52) Hi FYI,
“The rib that was taken from Adam was representative of Christ[the Word of God] being taken from within the Father”
Nick,You totally do NOT get it:
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 3:20 – And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Adam called his wife Eve, God called them “Adam”
So also YHWH and the Word of YHWH are called YHWH!
Hi FYI,
God is Yahweh
Yeshua is his SonWhy would the Son be called by the descriptive name of His Father?
Why not look at the rest of the post-you seem to have missed it.
Nick,The Word of God became a son at His incarnation. None of the disciples called Him a Son prior to that. If that were the case then John 1 and 1 John 1 would read MUCH differently.
I hacve previously posted all this info on the previous page.
Quote (Guest @ June 29 2005,11:57) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 26 2005,03:03) Hi FYI,
Excellent post. Its good to see someone really put some time and effort into a post like you have. I thought it was just so well written and to the point. Just one question, when you write Jesus was “brought forth” are you referring to a begettal before time or the incarnation? Just curious.Be well.
Hi Is 1:18 & berean2005,You are correct:
The scriptures say that the Word of God became flesh. That He was the “True Light” that lights every man. That He was the “Eternal Life” with the Father. That all things that exist were created through Him.
Isaiah 40: 28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD (YHWH) is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary, his understanding is unsearchable.
According to Micah 5:2 the future Saviours existance is “from everlasting” – a statement of eternity.
We know that all things were created by God, his Word, and his Spirit – YHWH alone inhabits eternity!
John 17:5 – And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 1:10 – He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
That He was in the “form (Gr=morphe) of God” and “equal” to God and with God.
Phil. 2: 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form (Gr=morphe – the nature or essence, not in the abstract, but as actually subsisting in the individual, and retained as long as the individual itself exists) of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped (prized, retained), 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form (Gr=homoioma – that which is made like something, a resemblance) he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil. 2:5-11: Paul writes,” though (Jesus) was in the form of God, (He) did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped.” The word here used for form is a Greek word that means “the set of characteristics which constitutes a thing what it is.” It denotes the exact nature of that thing. Incidentally, there is another word for form in the Greek which means the shape or appearance rather than the exact substance. Paul did not use that word. Let us remember that Paul was an orthodox Jew trained in the rabbinical teachings. He was a scholar and the Jew of Jews in zeal, holding to the one God teaching. Paul knew exactly what He was stating when He chose the word “form”. It suggests that the early Christians believed in the deity of Christ.
http://www.ldolphin.org/kellyc.html
Here John is explaining what Christ had claimed to the Jews that got Him in such trouble, calling Himself the Son of God was a direct assertion of equality and all the disciples and Jews knew that:
John 5:18 – This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God.
Christ wasn't called the “Son of God” until his birth:
Luke 1:35 – And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
That He took on flesh having “emptied” himself. Took on the form (Gr=homoioma – that which is made like something, a resemblance) of a servant and became obedient to death to purge us of our sins.
All scriptures in the OT that speak of the Son are prophetic except” maybe Proverbs 30:4 – However, this can also be argued to be prophetic as well. And, Isreal is also called as a nation God's son.
Proverbs 30: 4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
God exists outside the fabric and framework of time seeing the end of a thing at the same time as it's beginning.
Romans 4:17 – (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Christ said that He “came forth” from the Father:
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 3:20 – And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Adam called his wife Eve, God called them “Adam”
So also God and the Word of God are called YHWH![/B]
John 16:28 – I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
The term “Son of God” has two meanings – (1) having the nature and characteristics of, and (2) being a literal Son through birth. Both are applied to Christ.
Peter said and Christ confirmed:
Matthew 16:16 – And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Even the demons knew:
Mark 5:7 – And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Post incarnation John calls Him:
2 John 1:3 – Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
The writer of Hebrews says:
Hebrews 1:2 – Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:8 – But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The incarnation is the perfect union of God and man, so that in Christ we would have the perfect mediator.
John 5:18 – Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Hi FYI,
Yes Christ is the mediator between God and man. What does a mediator do? He acts as communicator between two parties.Now who are the two parties here?
God[YHWH] and man.So Jesus mediates between God and Man.
So he cannot be either of those beings he mediates between or he could not be a mediator could he?
No he is not his own Father God as well as himself is he?
Nick,
Gal 3: 15 To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man's will, or adds to it, once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many; but, referring to one, “And to your offspring,” which is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. 19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained by angels through an intermediary (Abraham). 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one; but God is one.
The promise was given to the Word of God which was the future Son of God through the intermediary which is Abraham.
Verse 20 says that having an intermediary implies two parties – but God is one party – the Father and the Son.
Christ is our husband, assuming you are born-again and betrothed to Christ. Since Christ is one Spirit with the Father, anyone joined to Christ is automatically “in the Father” as He Christ is “one spirit” in the Father.
Christ is the ONLY perfect mediator – He alone is our Kinsman redeemer, just as Boaz married the gentile Ruth and she became an Isrealite, we too being married to Christ are members of His body and therefore members of God thru Christ.
This is exactly why Christ is the ONLY way to God – you MUST be joined (betrothed) to Him or you cannot come to God the Father.
So FYI,
In Gal 3.19
who is the offspring? Jesus Christ the Son of God.He mediates between God[who is one and not three] and us
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,20:41) So FYI,
In Gal 3.19
who is the offspring? Jesus Christ the Son of God.He mediates between God[who is one and not three] and us
Nick,Christ is not the mediator of the promise in Gal 3:15-20 – Abraham is!
Hi FYI,
The role of mediation of Abraham was only to give the Israelites the Law and not to work in the reverse direction for man. That is why is says that“a mediator is not for one party only”
That is the point made here. God is one and that one party only was involved in that mediation process obtaining peace with God because conscience had become corrupt as a guide for men
Now we have a different mediator in Christ who truly can and does represent both parties. This now is true dialogue with God made possible by Christ, the Son of that God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2005,21:00) Hi FYI,
The role of mediation of Abraham was only to give the Israelites the Law and not to work in the reverse direction for man. That is why is says that“a mediator is not for one party only”
That is the point made here. God is one and that one party only was involved in that mediation process obtaining peace with God because conscience had become corrupt as a guide for men
Now we have a different mediator in Christ who truly can and does represent both parties. This now is true dialogue with God made possible by Christ, the Son of that God.
Nick,No, not for the giving of the law – you misread the verse
“17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. 19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made“
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