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Lightenup, Amen to your post!
Kerwin… IMO, though it is correct the Ten Commandments were given to Israel only in the beginning… anyone then and now who becomes a part of Israel is expected to obey the Ten Commandments. Israel is now made up of Jew and Gentile… I mean the true Israel which is the Church in Christ according to scripture?
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19)Ed,
That does not necessarily mean the person in question is “in” the kingdom of heaven does it?
Hi Miia
What sense would that make if it means as you suggest?
Those who broke more would be even lesser, would they not?___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODGravity has not been done away with even though there is a thing called Aerodynamics.
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
While we agree that we should love God and man this way, notice that the commandments hang off these two great commandments.
So yes, if what Jesus said is true today, then the commandments derive from this, meaning that they are still valid.
But just as the law was made for the sinner, so it is that the righteous are hardly touched by the Law, until sin is present. Regardless, the law does not go away whether we are practicing sinners or are clothed with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not go about gratifying the desires of the flesh.
Mt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Mt 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Mt 5:19 Anyone who (WILL NOT )breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.IF you break one of the commandment ;you break them all ;and we know what scriptures says ;
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
but if someone teaches what he knows in the scriptures that he possess this could mean he does not have access to the whole truth but preach it what he knows ,
for how could a liar be in the kingdom of God ?if I may ask
you said:
Salvation, whether for the Jew or the Gentile, comes by living by the teachings of the Spirit of God.
If that were so, salvation would not be free but instead, earned. It is by grace we are saved, it is the free gift of God.
Eph 2
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.b 4Butc God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.LU
THE GRACE IS AN conditional gift ;
Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”we have the power to reject it ;
Yes Terraricca, we can either receive the free gift of salvation that is by grace or reject the free gift of salvation that comes by grace.
Miia,
Kerwin… IMO, though it is correct the Ten Commandments were given to Israel only in the beginning… anyone then and now who becomes a part of Israel is expected to obey the Ten Commandments. Israel is now made up of Jew and Gentile… I mean the true Israel which is the Church in Christ according to scripture?
The Ten Commandments are only a small part of the Law of Mosses. What makes them special is that they were spoken directly to the Hebrew people by Yawheh. The reason El only spoke 10 commandments is because the people were terrified of his voice and begged that he would instead use Mosses as an intercessor. I believe he also originally wrote them on stone and then Mosses destroyed the original and then had to make a copy. The Jews realize they have to obey the whole law.
The Gentiles only become Jews in a symbolic sense when they choose to live by the Spirit. Paul’s journey to Jerusalem made this clear as the letter reveals that Gentiles were only required to live by a version of the Noahide Laws. It is written in the book of Acts.
@kerwin
You seem to be confusing salvation with sanctification. Salvation happens once, when the person accepts Jesus as their LORD and Savior and His redemption of them by His death, burial, and resurrection; it is a free gift offered to all people. Sanctification happens afterward during the maturing of the new believer as they learn to walk according to the Spirit of God which is now in them. This new walk will reflect that Jesus is the LORD of their lives and they choose the LORD’s will over their own when there is a disagreement between the two wills.(1) but if someone teaches what he knows in the scriptures that he possess this could mean he does not have access to the whole truth but preach it what he knows ,
(2) for how could a liar be in the kingdom of God ?if I may ask
Hi Pierre,
1) Thank you for admitting this
2) If you do not understand Jesus’ words that does not make him a liar.In James chapter 2 James is pointing out that all rebellion is sin.
Obviously some sins are worse than others; do you not agree?___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODLU,
Salvation happens once, when the person accepts Jesus as their LORD and Savior and His redemption of them by His death, burial, and resurrection
Those words are is in direct conflict with what Scriptures actually say. You should always beware of those that say “Peace! Peace!”, Jeremiah 6:14 & 8:11.
Acts 2:47 tells us:
And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
The Gentiles only become Jews in a symbolic sense when they choose to live by the Spirit. Paul’s journey to Jerusalem made this clear as the letter reveals that Gentiles were only required to live by a version of the Noahide Laws. It is written in the book of Acts.
Hi Kerwin, I believe you are wrong with this.
The Gentiles obeyed the Ten Commandments because they followed Jesus and the commandments were taught by Him… Not a dot shall pass away until Heaven and Earth have passed away, and Heaven and Earth are still here.
The story in Acts…
Peter gives the Gentiles four additional requirements – to abstain from the pollution of idols, from unchastity, from what is strangled, and from blood. They are discussing circumcision and whether the Gentiles should convert to “Pharisaic Judaism” including all 613 laws and ceremonies from what I understand. So, rather than “make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear”, they give these four requirements on top of the commandments of Jesus rather than all of the rest.Jesus did put conditions on salvation. The condition is to obey his words.
Exactly! And His words contained the Ten Commandments.
Here’s a list. I’m not sure on the source but it’s all scripture.
Gravity has not been done away with even though there is a thing called Aerodynamics.
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
While we agree that we should love God and man this way, notice that the commandments hang off these two great commandments.
So yes, if what Jesus said is true today, then the commandments derive from this, meaning that they are still valid.
But just as the law was made for the sinner, so it is that the righteous are hardly touched by the Law, until sin is present. Regardless, the law does not go away whether we are practicing sinners or are clothed with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not go about gratifying the desires of the flesh
Amen.
Miia,
No, the ten commandments are part of the old covenant. Jesus did not sacrifice himself to put new wine in an old wineskin.
Jesus’ teaching are the gospel of salvation. Those that follow them do everything they need to do in order to both receive and live by the Spirit of God.
Miia,
The 613 laws are more like the opinions of those whom claim to judge by the Law of Moses. The Law of Mosses is quite different. Sexual immorality is part of the Law of Moses but not of the Ten Commandments. See what Leviticus states about unlawful sexual relations. Jesus says that such actions come out of the heart in Matthew 15:19.
hi Edj
Hi Pierre,
1) Thank you for admitting this
2) If you do not understand Jesus’ words that does not make him a liar.In James chapter 2 James is pointing out that all rebellion is sin.
Obviously some sins are worse than others; do you not agree?of course this is true for Jesus said clearly ;
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
Ecc 12:13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.LU
Yes Terraricca, we can either receive the free gift of salvation that is by grace or reject the free gift of salvation that comes by grace.
receiving it would mean follow the instruction for it and apply it ;
refusing it, is keep doing and thinking what we are doing and so not following the instructions
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