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Pierre,
The spirit and soul are not the same things. The soul is your basic essence while the spirit is the driving force behind your actions. You can obtain a new spirit according to scripture but not a new soul. A living soul occupies a living body but the soul of the dead enters the Grave/Hades. The breath of life returns to God at death.
The Spirit of Christ is also the Spirit of God and it is the active force of God as well as the driving force of righteousness. It is present at creation and most likely carried out God’s Word at that time for that is what it does. I did the same in causing Jesus to be conceived and to driving him to live a life of righteousness even though he was tempted even as we are. In addition it comes to live in those that believe and will drive them to also live a life of righteousness if they choose to live by it through faith.
It may be impossible for a man to do that but the Spirit of God lived in Jesus and acted through him even at the age of 12. Jesus did nothing to fulfill prophecies as God knows what will happen before it actually occurs, and merely tells us what he knows needs revealing before its time. Often he even hides that knowledge from all those he chooses to and reveals it only to those who require the knowledge.
I have reread Jude 1:25 and the one I believed was an internal contradiction could be instead be a list of times Jesus was Lord that would mean that he was Lord before all times and then stepped down when the ages because and resumed being Lord at the present time, 2000 years ago, and forever after that. That interpretation makes him a liar as he stated he was made Lord after his resurrection which is backed up by Philippians 2.
It is the “when” God gave Jesus the authority that is being debated not the “if”. There is also the question whether Jesus gave up those powers for a time.
kerwin
you say;;
The spirit and soul are not the same things. The soul is your basic essence while the spirit is the driving force behind your actions. You can obtain a new spirit according to scripture but not a new soul. A living soul occupies a living body but the soul of the dead enters the Grave/Hades. The breath of life returns to God at death.Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
your soul in side you is what you are and that is what you have done all your live wen we die there is judgement because your works are finished.
so your soul is your spirit what you have developed during your live time ,but you can change it ,but only until you die then it is finish,it is what it is.you say;;
The Spirit of Christ is also the Spirit of God and it is the active force of God as well as the driving force of righteousness. It is present at creation and most likely carried out God’s Word at that time for that is what it does. I did the same in causing Jesus to be conceived and to driving him to live a life of righteousness even though he was tempted even as we are. In addition it comes to live in those that believe and will drive them to also live a life of righteousness if they choose to live by it through faith
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there is no difference with Christ except that he preexisted before he was born on earth,he came for a mission what took tree and half years and until that time he grew as a man to maturity,but he knew who he was.Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.SO ALSO CHRIST WAS GOD SON BEFORE HE WAS SEND INTO THE WORLD,
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I have reread Jude 1:25 and the one I believed was an internal contradiction could be instead be a list of times Jesus was Lord that would mean that he was Lord before all times and then stepped down when the ages because and resumed being Lord at the present time, 2000 years ago, and forever after that. That interpretation makes him a liar as he stated he was made Lord after his resurrection which is backed up by Philippians 2.It is the “when” God gave Jesus the authority that is being debated not the “if”. There is also the question whether Jesus gave up those powers for a time.
Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
God spirit was always with him this means that he was always with the word of his father ,so that the truth was in him ,
wen time came he was ready to do his fathers will.you are wasting my time by not answering the questions you make God ,Christ, Paul,John,and others liars,you are from your father the devil say Jesus
so many witnesses and still do not believe,
Pierre
Pierre,
I read you post but I believe you should consider what I wrote about soul, spirit, and the breath of life in my thread about the two natures of Jesus before we continue this discussion.
kerwin
You are right, spirit and soul are not the same.
Soul is your body, any body, man or beast.
Spirit is your mind, it is what sets us apart from the animals. Paul referred to it as spirit because it is the only invisible part in man.
I would say, the spirit of Christ is the guiding force, not the driving force. Neither the Father nor the Son will drive you, force you, to do any thing.
Jesus knew all about prophesies, he fulfilled all the prophesies that were written about him in the OT.
Jude 1:25 refers to the Father, it is after all the Father who forgives us our sins for Jesus' sake.
Jesus was highly exalted after he ascended to heaven, after he finished the work here he came to do.Georg
georg
i think the body+ breath of life +mind living spirit= soul but wen we die the breath of live leaves us and the body return to the dust,what is going to God is the spirit who has now become your soul or you,and that is what goes back to God who has given it(but wen god as given it it was blank ,we filled it up),until judgement Day,
Pierre
Georg,
Have you considered Jesus' words in the following passage?
Pierre wrote:
Quote Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
According to this teaching it seems the body and soul are two separate parts of a person.
Pierre,
George and I are basing our conclusion that the soul and spirit are separate based on such scriptures as the following where they are treated as seperate.
1 Thessalonians 5:23(NIV) reads:
Quote May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
and
Hebrews 4:12(NIV) reads:
Quote For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2010,06:28) Pierre, George and I are basing our conclusion that the soul and spirit are separate based on such scriptures as the following where they are treated as seperate.
1 Thessalonians 5:23(NIV) reads:
Quote May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
and
Hebrews 4:12(NIV) reads:
Quote For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
kerwinthose verses are confirm exactly what i said;;
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georgi think the body+ breath of life +mind living spirit= soul but wen we die the breath of live leaves us and the body return to the dust,what is going to God is the spirit who has now become your soul or you,and that is what goes back to God who has given it(but wen god as given it it was blank ,we filled it up),until judgement Day
Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
all of the scriptures are in harmony,
so this is the truth.
Pierre
Quote (Baker @ Nov. 22 2010,09:04) kerwin You are right, spirit and soul are not the same.
Soul is your body, any body, man or beast.
Georg…………A soul is the combination of BODY and SPIRIT and that is a (LIVING) SOUL. Adam was first made into a Body and then Spirit was added into that body and then he became a (LIVING) Soul. His soul or Body was dead until Spirit was added into it and then He became a (LIVING) Soul. He was a Soul before he had the spirit but became a (LIVING SOUL) after Spirit was add in to that body or Soul.Jesus told us not to fear them who can Kill the Body and Nothing more but fear Him (GOD) who can Kill (BOTH), two things Body and Soul (should read Body and Spiirt as concordance and GREEK interlinear shows), in the Hellious or GRAVE. If God were to leave our Bodies in the Grave we would never ever again live and that was the same with Jesus also. When you separate a body from Spirit you no longer have a (LIVING) Soul but a Dead ONE. It is crucial we obtain to a resurrection from the dead once we die or we will never ever live again. IMO
peace and love to you and Irene………………………gene
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can a body that breaths move?? if so what make it move ?? the breathing? or the spirit of live ;the will ;animal it is the instinct,what about human ?the mind,carnal oriented or spiritualy oriented???
to aproach God it takes;1Co 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned
1Co 6:17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.;;are we doing this with our freewill??
Pierre
The soul is a person with a mind, a will, and emotions. The spirit is the life that a person lives.
Jesus states: “The words that I speak, they are spirit, and they are life”.
Love in Christ,
MartyPierre,
I favor the belief that man is made of body, soul, and spirit which is given life by the breath of God. What you call the inner soul is what I call the soul.
I believe that the soul ascends to the third heaven and so may be said to return to God to await judgment but I am reluctant to say that is what spirit is being talked about in scripture about spirit returning to God. I still believe that is the breath of life as it occurs at the point of the first death.
I disagree with your idea the soul, i.e. inner soul, is a clean board to be filled by experience.
I agree that we must keep our body and spirit clean.
I am not sure how you see Hebrews 4:12 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that they agree with your position but perhaps I misunderstand your position. I thought you were declaring that the breath of life, spirit, and body are three parts of the soul. My point is that the spirit cannot be part of the soul as it is treated as separate from the soul in scripture. That is why I quoted those two scriptures. In 1 Thessalonians 5:23 the body, soul, and spirit are all treated as separate parts of the whole.
Gene,
Could you please comment on what I stated to Pierre in my previous post about the spirit, soul, and body being separate parts of the whole?
I agree the soul comes into being when the body comes to life but I do not believe it is a combination of body and breath of life. I am not sure the spirit and breath of life are the same.
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 23 2010,09:45) The soul is a person with a mind, a will, and emotions. The spirit is the life that a person lives. Jesus states: “The words that I speak, they are spirit, and they are life”.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyThat scripture talks about the words of the new covenant the grace through faith and that his why Christ words are live ,those words would have no live if it was not backup by God almighty and his son,and if you would be out of faith it would have no meaning at all,
Our soul his like the investment that God as given to us all ,and at judgement day he will ask as if we have given him a dividend ,
This is why our soul his the most important item ,we lose it we done,
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2010,12:52) Pierre, I favor the belief that man is made of body, soul, and spirit which is given life by the breath of God. What you call the inner soul is what I call the soul.
I believe that the soul ascends to the third heaven and so may be said to return to God to await judgment but I am reluctant to say that is what spirit is being talked about in scripture about spirit returning to God. I still believe that is the breath of life as it occurs at the point of the first death.
I disagree with your idea the soul, i.e. inner soul, is a clean board to be filled by experience.
I agree that we must keep our body and spirit clean.
I am not sure how you see Hebrews 4:12 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that they agree with your position but perhaps I misunderstand your position. I thought you were declaring that the breath of life, spirit, and body are three parts of the soul. My point is that the spirit cannot be part of the soul as it is treated as separate from the soul in scripture. That is why I quoted those two scriptures. In 1 Thessalonians 5:23 the body, soul, and spirit are all treated as separate parts of the whole.
KThe breath of live his the air we have to take in for oxygen stop doing that we done, dead,
The body his the physical part of our soul ,but his not our soul ,just like the body of a car is not the car ,it's only for a model or shape ,
The spirit of men his his mind ,with all the feelings the imosions,character ,personality ect… But the soul is given by God to all living creatures ,but it as nothing on it ,it like a slate we can wipe it Clean or make it worthy of the Gehenna ,oe make it a temple for God ,
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,13:35) The breath of live his the air we have to take in for oxygen stop doing that we done, dead, The body his the physical part of our soul ,but his not our soul ,just like the body of a car is not the car ,it's only for a model or shape ,
The spirit of men his his mind ,with all the feelings the imosions,character ,personality ect… But the soul is given by God to all living creatures ,but it as nothing on it ,it like a slate we can wipe it Clean or make it worthy of the Gehenna ,oe make it a temple for God ,
T,I am not sure which passages of Scripture obtained these understandings from.
The breath of life is Jehovah's breath. A human has life before he breaths air. For example, John the Baptist leaped in his mother's womb while but 6 months along.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2013,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,13:35) The breath of live his the air we have to take in for oxygen stop doing that we done, dead, The body his the physical part of our soul ,but his not our soul ,just like the body of a car is not the car ,it's only for a model or shape ,
The spirit of men his his mind ,with all the feelings the imosions,character ,personality ect… But the soul is given by God to all living creatures ,but it as nothing on it ,it like a slate we can wipe it Clean or make it worthy of the Gehenna ,oe make it a temple for God ,
T,I am not sure which passages of Scripture obtained these understandings from.
The breath of life is Jehovah's breath. A human has life before he breaths air. For example, John the Baptist leaped in his mother's womb while but 6 months along.
Kbeing alive is not the same thing as living ,you could be in a coma and still be alive but you sure do not do much of a living ,right
yes you do nothing ,look what scriptures says;;Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
it says as soon has God “breathed into his nostrils the breath of live THE MAN BECAME A “” LIVING BEING”” this is not come to life ;but start to live any one inside the womb of the mother may be alive but does not do any living ,this is done out side the womb ,understand this
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2010,12:52) Pierre, I favor the belief that man is made of body, soul, and spirit which is given life by the breath of God. What you call the inner soul is what I call the soul.
I believe that the soul ascends to the third heaven and so may be said to return to God to await judgment but I am reluctant to say that is what spirit is being talked about in scripture about spirit returning to God. I still believe that is the breath of life as it occurs at the point of the first death.
I disagree with your idea the soul, i.e. inner soul, is a clean board to be filled by experience.
I agree that we must keep our body and spirit clean.
I am not sure how you see Hebrews 4:12 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that they agree with your position but perhaps I misunderstand your position. I thought you were declaring that the breath of life, spirit, and body are three parts of the soul. My point is that the spirit cannot be part of the soul as it is treated as separate from the soul in scripture. That is why I quoted those two scriptures. In 1 Thessalonians 5:23 the body, soul, and spirit are all treated as separate parts of the whole.
KQuote I favor the belief that man is made of body, soul, and spirit which is given life by the breath of God. wen we talk about man we do not talk about his soul but about ;the composition of ;flesh (body) mind (spirit) and soul the given slate to all men ,what will be used for us to be judged on .
wen we talk Soul then we set the flesh aside and the mind or spirit of men aside
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,14:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,13:35) The breath of live his the air we have to take in for oxygen stop doing that we done, dead, The body his the physical part of our soul ,but his not our soul ,just like the body of a car is not the car ,it's only for a model or shape ,
The spirit of men his his mind ,with all the feelings the imosions,character ,personality ect… But the soul is given by God to all living creatures ,but it as nothing on it ,it like a slate we can wipe it Clean or make it worthy of the Gehenna ,oe make it a temple for God ,
T,I am not sure which passages of Scripture obtained these understandings from.
The breath of life is Jehovah's breath. A human has life before he breaths air. For example, John the Baptist leaped in his mother's womb while but 6 months along.
Hi Kerwin,Gen.7:22 of all that was on dry land, all in whose nostrils was the Breath of the Spirit of Life, died.
I think the N.A.S. is the only Bible, that has this verse stated properly. Look at the interlinear.
Peace brother.
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