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Irene………. I don't know how many times i have said the scriptures you are quoting, Isaiah said was a MAN What part of it you don't understand. And yes this adversarial sneaky intellect was in Ananias and His wife, it was a ADVERSARY Spirit (Intellect) and those thoughts caused Him and HIS wife to Lie against the Spirit of GOD . They reasoned this out among themselves there was not SATAN “CREATURE” There at all, Just there own deceitful Minds at work. Why would GOD Kill them for something something else was doing. There is NO “BEING” call SATAN going around jumping in and out of People and taking them MYSTERIOUSLY OVER. Only CARNAL ADVERSARIAL Thought in People themselves that are causing these things. Go back and reread what JODI Posted with an open mind this time. IMO
peace and love……………………………………gene
Gene,
Satan is the tempter while man chooses either to swallow that lure or not. Satan is guilty of tempting with evil while those who chase after the lure are guilty of doing just that.
When I am tempted thoughts come into my head. I believe those thought are the words of Satan. If I choose to pursue them then they I have grabbed the bait and am then guilty of thinking evil thoughts.
Kerwin ……….Yes those thought are from the adversaries of GOD which you recieved from the World just as all other have to. we must overcome that by the Power of GOD , His Word Just as Jesus did in the wilderness, WE must Mater them. There is no Sentinel “Being” know as Satan only the SPIRIT (intellect) of an Adversary working in the childern of disobedience. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Kerwin……………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 09 2011,03:01) Kerwin ……….Yes those thought are from the adversaries of GOD which you recieved from the World just as all other have to. we must overcome that by the Power of GOD , His Word Just as Jesus did in the wilderness, WE must Mater them. There is no Sentinel “Being” know as Satan only the SPIRIT (intellect) of an Adversary working in the childern of disobedience. IMO peace and love to you and yours Kerwin……………………………….gene
I modified my last post as I worded badly. It may be easier to correctly understand it though your answer makes it apear as if you already did.Gene, etc, anyone,
It is clear that we are to be like Jesus.
You say Jesus was like us, a man.
Others say Jesus was a God.
Would it not be true to say, that those who try to be like Jesus as a man remain as a man, where those who try to be like Jesus as a God…….? Do you get me?
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God…..2nd Thessalonians 2:3
“Don't you know that you are a temple of God..1st Corinthians 3:16
“Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved” 2nd Thessalonians 2:8
Am I getting it?
Hi karmarie,
I like to think that since God is holy his entire creation by nature is holy. Only those who succumb to the Adversary are made unholy. Jesus being the perfect son showed us the new way to participate in the divine nature and holiness of God. He was the embodiment of the perfect son.Quote Deuteronomy 8:5 (King James Version) 5Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Another part to the new covenant is that we no longer goto the temple. We are the temple. This is an aspect of divine participation with God through faith at more intimate personal level than was previously practiced. God is to be recognized as not only out there or whose presense is in some man-made physical structure. God is also in here. When we love Jesus and keep his words he and God live within us making us holy. We gain our inheritance to become godly. An aspect of the Adversary is the denial of this God-given right we have to have to this way of living. To be a thing of the anti-Christ is also a thing that is anti-God. Any denial that Christ Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life that became flesh to give us a way to God is anti-Christ. To me the anti-Christ is an expression of the Adversary that is a denial of Christ Jesus's purpose for living and his purpose our lives. By developing a love-based relationship with Jesus we develope a relationship with our heavenly Father. Anything that stands in the way of this relationship development is the anti-Christ. These are thoughts I am having about that which we call the spirit of the anti-Christ.With Love and Respect,
WispringWispring ………The spirit of Antichrist is the Intellect that separates us and or identity with the Christos or Holy Spirit of GOD. Notice it does not say anti-Jesus , but anti-Christ or anti-Christos or Anti-Anointing, The Anointing Came to be (IN) Jesus who is called the Christ or Anointed. I believe Paladin is right, to deny that this anointing (Christos) came to be in the flesh may have been Johns Point it makes sense, The Anointing came to live in Flesh in Jesus and can be in Us also, it is the same Anointing Jesus had that is in him and in us also.
That man of Sin is different because it is talking about a Man and i believe it is the man Jesus not a future coming person, I believe there is no real man of Sin it is just a (IMAGE) of Jesus being a GOD. Why because Jesus is the only one who is seated in the temple of GOD and is bing Displayed as a GOD. No one else does that fit on earth today except Jesus himself. But again that is not the real Jesus , it is the image being displayed of him by the fallen apostate Churches. THE TRINITY, IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Quote (karmarie @ April 10 2011,13:25) Gene, etc, anyone, It is clear that we are to be like Jesus.
You say Jesus was like us, a man.
Others say Jesus was a God.
Would it not be true to say, that those who try to be like Jesus as a man remain as a man, where those who try to be like Jesus as a God…….? Do you get me?
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God…..2nd Thessalonians 2:3
“Don't you know that you are a temple of God..1st Corinthians 3:16
“Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved” 2nd Thessalonians 2:8
Am I getting it?
Shimmer…………Jesus is Still a MAN, remember, “for when the Son of Man returns will he find Faith on the earth”. Jesus will alway be a son of man Just as you are a daughter of Man we are all childern of Man. And God said that was GOOD nothing wrong with being a Son or Daughter of Man, we are all Childern of GOD also and given his SPIRIT (intellect) into our hearts and minds, we can have a Father and son and daughter relationship with him for ever. It is all good sis.peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Hi Gene,
Please give me a break, just because I didn't write “Christ Jesus” or “Jesus Christ”every time I referred to the man Jesus doesn't mean I don't believe he is the anointed one of prophesy. Christ, Messiah, Annointed One,Khristos,Christos; 5 words with the same meaning. All of which are a title, not a name. According to the Jewish Bible, whenever someone was anointed with the specific Holy anointing oil formula and ceremony described in Exodus 30:22-25, the Spirit of God came upon this person, to qualify him or her for a God-given task. In the OT it was a cause and effect ritual. The significant difference with Christ Jesus is that he was anointed with the Holy Spirit by God directly with no sacramental oil at all. Jesus was anointed with the tasks of being the first true Son of God that obeyed God perfectly and taught about a new covenant and relationship quality with God. Jesus was anointed with his mission to teach and spread the Gospel of God. The dying in Christ is a descriptor of the process of having the mind that was in Christ Jesus also dwell in us is the Pauline way of communicating the Gospel. The Logos of God is a descriptor of this activity of having the Christ mind dwell within us. John back-references Paul in the beginning of his book. The Logos of God was first personified in Jesus and is promised us by doing God's will and keeping Jesus's words(i.e. accepting, comprehending, and living Jesus's teachings) in our own individual lives. Identity can be a psychological term for self-image or programatically it can also be a descriptor of a class of things or a thing itself. While I understand identifying with Christ Jesus in the psychological way, I also think of these things in terms of God-given rights of inheritance. When we love Jesus and keep his words we inherit the the same things God gave Jesus except being the King of Kings, Lord of Lords and all the power and authority that God gave Jesus as a result of his position at the right hand of God. We inherit all that is given to us in this world and the next ultimately from God alone. This is in reference to the whole sonship concept. So the Anointing didn't become flesh Gene. The Logos of God was personified in the flesh initially with Jesus Christ and subsequently by all true apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ. Yes I can see how Greek and Gnostic Ideologies are pro Jesus is God and anti-Christ. That's because I actually researched the Greek and Gnostic Ideologies/philosophies my own self. You are singing to the choir with respect to this issue. Jesus told me he wasn't God by telling me to worship his Father who is the only true God. SIMPLE as THAT! I need no theological debate, arguement, or convincing. I see no scripture that has Jesus saying anything too the effect of “By the way, I am also God”. The whole oneness identity logic doesn't work for me. When I play my guitar, I am one with the instrument and the song being performed. I am not the instrument. I am not the song. It's a relationship oneness not an identity oneness. When I am reading a musical score I can be at one with 100 instruments playing simultaneously in the same way. I think many folks mis-understand the whole I am one with the Father thing. It's relationship/sameness of purpose. NOT identity.With Love and Respect,
WispringQuote (karmarie @ April 10 2011,13:25) Gene, etc, anyone, It is clear that we are to be like Jesus.
You say Jesus was like us, a man.
Others say Jesus was a God.
Would it not be true to say, that those who try to be like Jesus as a man remain as a man, where those who try to be like Jesus as a God…….? Do you get me?
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God…..2nd Thessalonians 2:3
“Don't you know that you are a temple of God..1st Corinthians 3:16
“Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved” 2nd Thessalonians 2:8
Am I getting it?
Karmarie: Of all these great posts, I tend to agree more line for line in yours.They are full of truth that the world should see but we have to allow the world to do its thing whatever that may be.
I loved the line,…would it not be true to say, that those who try to be like Jesus as a man, remain as a man, whereas those who try to be like Jesus as one with God,is a higher truth, a very profound truth. Its very personal to each, how far do we wish to go with our faith. Some twenty fold, some thirty, some an hundred fold.
The war in the mind/heart for mankind is to deny the adversary, to seek out and find the truth of God. Gods words as opposed to the un-truth of illusion. Illusion being what a man might choose to be truth of God to him but it is not the truth from God. Then he believes an adversarial illusion, perhaps of his or another mans creation.
Anti-Christ and all the sin and illusion that are part of destruction and death, must be removed from the Temple which is the house/abode of Jesus/God. As we see and perceive our perfection given through Jesus from God by faith, that light that comes and erradicates darkness completely. Light casts out darkness the instant it manifests.
We must see our purification from God through the spiritual words of Jesus, by faith alone which drives out anti-christ. IMO, TK
Wispring…………We are indeed in agreement brother. I see it the same way you have posted it and i believe Paladin does also. The Logo never was Flesh it came to be (IN) Jesus by way of the anointing that is correct brother, the same applies to us also, we are one in the Christos and therefore in agreement with Jesus. The Christos certainly is the common denominator between GOD the Father, Jesus and all true Saints. Sorry if i came across wrong brother. I do see it the same as you do.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
Hi Karmarie,
Quote Would it not be true to say, that those who try to be like Jesus as a man remain as a man, where those who try to be like Jesus as a God…….? Do you get me?
I am sorry I do not get you as you put '……..'. Fill that in and I will attempt to get you.
I truly don't think Gene got you either because he added 'as one with' to your original post.
Quote whereas those who try to be like Jesus as one with God
I will now try to ascertain what your were saying with '…….'.
Were you saying that those who try to be like Jesus as a God are led by the spirit of the anti-Christ because Christ Jesus is not God Allmighty? This is just a guess on my part. Please express yourself more fully.With Love and Respect,
WispringQuote (karmarie @ April 10 2011,13:25) Gene, etc, anyone, It is clear that we are to be like Jesus.
You say Jesus was like us, a man.
Others say Jesus was a God.
Would it not be true to say, that those who try to be like Jesus as a man remain as a man, where those who try to be like Jesus as a God…….? Do you get me?
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God…..2nd Thessalonians 2:3
“Don't you know that you are a temple of God..1st Corinthians 3:16
“Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved” 2nd Thessalonians 2:8
Am I getting it?
Those who try to be like Jesus as a man, are lie a man, and those who like God, are godly? Is that what You are saying or maybe Spiritual?
IreneHi all. Sorry for the delay.
No, that's not quite what i'm saying. I tried to find it on the net, but couldn't. Because I have read this by someone else, can't think of his name though.
Something like, our body is the Temple. So this 'man of sin' is within ourself. Rather than be humble and God fearing and Obediant, we become our own God rather than remain where we should be.
so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God…..
with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness
Don't you know that you are a temple of God….
2nd Thessalonians 2:3, 2nd Thessalonians 2:8, 1st Corinthians 3:16Scripture say's that we will know his people by the way they act (They will have love with one another….John 3:35…..but theres a difference….Earthly love verses Spiritual love) and all the other verses which help identify, truth.
And there's a difference in the behaviours of both here that I have noticed. And its huge IMO. it must mean something.
Once I find this writer on the net, I'll post it here.
Quote (karmarie @ April 14 2011,09:09) Hi all. Sorry for the delay. No, that's not quite what i'm saying. I tried to find it on the net, but couldn't. Because I have read this by someone else, can't think of his name though.
Something like, our body is the Temple. So this 'man of sin' is within ourself. Rather than be humble and God fearing and Obediant, we become our own God rather than remain where we should be.
so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God…..
with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness
Don't you know that you are a temple of God….
2nd Thessalonians 2:3, 2nd Thessalonians 2:8, 1st Corinthians 3:16Scripture say's that we will know his people by the way they act (They will have love with one another….John 3:35…..but theres a difference….Earthly love verses Spiritual love) and all the other verses which help identify, truth.
And there's a difference in the behaviours of both here that I have noticed. And its huge IMO. it must mean something.
Once I find this writer on the net, I'll post it here.
That is not quit right as far as what Paul is saying. Yes, we are the Temple of God. Paul says I do what I not to do, and don;t do what I to do. Therefore it is sin in me, but in the Spirit I am with God, something like that, just paraphrasing….I found what it saysRom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Peace and Love Irene
Hi all.
Heres a good thread in which we were looking at the Antichrist.
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….79;st=0
It starts off with Selah and a whole lot of numbers, and EdJ with all his numbers! But it was quite a while ago…funny looking back.
Shimmer…………Remember it say “he sits in the temple of GOD” Being displayed as a GOD, not God sits in the temple of Man and man displaying himself as a GOD. And it also say He takes His sit (IN) the temple of GOD . If we are the temple of GOD in this sense How could we who are temples take a sit in ourselves?. Also remember it say that it is a LIE and GOD would sent them a deluding Spirit in order for them to believe the LIE, what lie is he talking about> , it it not that this person is Not a GOD. Jesus is the only one who has taken His sits
in the temple of GOD which is in heaven Now and He is the only one that is being displayed as a GOD, no one else is. It is the false teaching of the Trinity that when Jesus return he will destory with his own words. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………………………….gene
Gene, I haven't seen you in a while here, are you ok?
What you talkin about Gene? I don't quite get you.
What sits in the temple of God IYO?Karmaria! Georg has studied Ancient History a lot. He also listens to thr History Channel on TV. the first three centuries were brutal and bloody and Millions died for Christ. All because Constantine changed so much. we have the Roman calendar, not Gods. The day starts at Midnight while Gods start at sundown. The New Year starts in the cold of winter, while Gos starts in the Spring. All Holy Days became Holidays like Christmas and Easter. But He also let the Christian practice their religion again, His way. The Roman Universal Church became the Church of His Empire…If you were found with a Bible you were first tortured by the Catholic or Universal Church and killed. At that time also the trinity became law at the Council of Nicea.
On the Pope's Tiara in Latin is written V I C A R I V S – F I L I I – D E I
5 1 100 0 0 1 5 0 0 1 50 1 1 500 0 1= 666The Pope is considered Christ on Earth. They call him Holy Father…There is a Book called The Two Babylonians, if you can get a hold of one that would be great.
One more important fact. Since I was a Catholic, as a child at Christmas time in the Loft or Basement of our Basilica (Church) was still evidence of torture…. `They kept the people illiterate in order to keep them in the Church. They changed once the Latin Mass was said in English here and in all countries according to their language….We never read the Bible back then, and when God called us out of that system, wow….God also saw to it that I got that Book I mentioned….Is there another Anti Christ coming? Georg does not believe so. I don't know. Time will tell…..Peace IreneIrene, I think this is a really important topic that should be studied.
I would like to get hold of that book you speak about, might look in the Library.
I'm not sure of the book of Revelations because it's really hard to understand and piece it all together.
But the word's of Paul of the Man of sin and the falling away is what I would like to look at more closely.
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