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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2013,01:33) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 11 2013,02:10) gene Quote Terricca…First “YOU” Say , “The love “FOR” God's truth and “APPLYING” that truth “TO” our lives “WILL be our “REDEMPTION” and SAFEGUARD. Indeed those words have an appearence of rightiousness, but as Jesus said , It's like a white washed Seplicure it indeed looks beautifull on the outside, but inside is full of dead mens bones. No scripture says what you said
the first commandment and the second that Christ quoted ,ARE BOTH THINGS TO DO TO BE SAVED , BUT FOR IT YOU HAVE TO
BELIEVE THAT GOD EXIST AND THAT HE SEND HIS SON TO SAVE THE MEN THAT BELIEVES IN THEM ;THIS IS WHAT MEN AS TO DO ” BELIEVE AND ACT ON THAT BELIEVE ,” IF NOT YOUR FAITH IS VAIN
Terricca……….Faith that God the Father gives is not in vain, it has produced many things in my life, that has born wittiness to the reality of a living God, my faith was and is not a supposition I created in my own mind by my own human imagination . It is a proven faith by the revaluation of God into my mind and backed up by EVIDENCE actual and real results in real life over and over. I have my EVIDENCES DO you? Or are you simply going by what others say and tell you . As far as salvation goes, it works through the process of revelation given by God the Father Himself, just as Jesus explained to Peter, which I have quoted and posted here many many, times.We are told have you faith? , have it unto yourself. I have my Proofs and evidence and it is not second it is first hand. IMO
Peace and love………………………..gene
geneQuote Terricca……….Faith that God the Father gives is not in vain, it has produced many things in my life God as made possible for us to be saved through the faith in is son and the promise he as given for those who accept the faith ,
it comes from God ,but he does not give it away ,God does never do something for nothing
Terricca….. So what scriptures say That ? ..GO look up the word GRACE. The last time I looked it meant “UNMERITED PARDON” For you are “SAVED” by “GRACE” and that “NOT” of “YOURSELF , IT IS A “GIFT” Of GOD. Pierre you simply have not a clue of what you are saying or talking about. IMO
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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2013,07:12) Terricca….. So what scriptures say That ? ..GO look up the word GRACE. The last time I looked it meant “UNMERITED PARDON” For you are “SAVED” by “GRACE” and that “NOT” of “YOURSELF , IT IS A “GIFT” Of GOD. Pierre you simply have not a clue of what you are saying or talking about. IMO gene
GThe apostle Paul talked to people that had already accepted the grace of God ,and so his words were the truth,
But can you say those words to a gentles that does not have a clue of who God is
If you say yes ,then why do we have to preach to our fellow man Terricca……….You said God does not Give it away, God does never do something for nothing. I ask you o produce a scripture, which you did not.
A mans salvation is a Gift from God and there is no price we can Pay for it, He freely has given it to us. Therefore it says come by without price and again who ever will call on God (in the fuure) shall be saved. Salvation as life is a gift no one has enough to payfor it. We are not justified by our Works Just as it says, “NO” flesh shall be Justified by the Works of Law, we are justified by the scarifice of Jesus, we are the reciever of God Grace theough the Death of Jesus, IMO
peace and love……………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2013,21:11) Terricca……….You said God does not Give it away, God does never do something for nothing. I ask you o produce a scripture, which you did not. A mans salvation is a Gift from God and there is no price we can Pay for it, He freely has given it to us. Therefore it says come by without price and again who ever will call on God (in the fuure) shall be saved. Salvation as life is a gift no one has enough to payfor it. We are not justified by our Works Just as it says, “NO” flesh shall be Justified by the Works of Law, we are justified by the scarifice of Jesus, we are the reciever of God Grace theough the Death of Jesus, IMO
peace and love……………………………..gene
geneMt 20:1 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard.
Mt 20:2 He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
Mt 20:3 “About the third hour he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing.
Mt 20:4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’
Mt 20:5 So they went.
“He went out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour and did the same thing.
Mt 20:6 About the eleventh hour he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
Mt 20:7 “ ‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
Mt 20:8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
Mt 20:9 “The workers who were hired about the eleventh hour came and each received a denarius.
Mt 20:10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.
Mt 20:11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner.
Mt 20:12 ‘These men who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
Mt 20:13 “But he answered one of them, ‘Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius?
Mt 20:14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you.
Mt 20:15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
Mt 20:16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”if you can understand the wisdom of the profound meaning of Christ words
Terricca……….If you notice it was The OWNER of the Vineyard that went out and Hired them , but in your religion belief you hire yourself you create your own vineyard and go to work in it yourself. That is the Problem here you believe your Choices being about you salvation , but Just as the Parable you posted shows to any one who understands, it was the OWNER who Sought out the “Potential workers, And if you noticed the Last hired who did little work Got as much as the First hired, and the First hired complained becasue they thought because they worked harder and longer they would get more , but what happened, They only recieved the same as the one who did little work. It was up to the owner “GOD” to give it as he seen fit. So how does this fit with you “Self'” Salvation by your own self works idea fit. Do you believe the Workers are the one who supply the vineyard and the opportunity for work themselves?. A salvation apart form God himself is impossible, Just as it says “we are saved By “GRACE” and that not of ourselves, it (salvation) is a Gift from God”. You either accept that or don't it's up to you. IMO
peace and love………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,09:55) Terricca……….If you notice it was The OWNER of the Vineyard that went out and Hired them , but in your religion belief you hire yourself you create your own vineyard and go to work in it yourself. That is the Problem here you believe your Choices being about you salvation , but Just as the Parable you posted shows to any one who understands, it was the OWNER who Sought out the “Potential workers, And if you noticed the Last hired who did little work Got as much as the First hired, and the First hired complained becasue they thought because they worked harder and longer they would get more , but what happened, They only recieved the same as the one who did little work. It was up to the owner “GOD” to give it as he seen fit. So how does this fit with you “Self'” Salvation by your own self works idea fit. Do you believe the Workers are the one who supply the vineyard and the opportunity for work themselves?. A salvation apart form God himself is impossible, Just as it says “we are saved By “GRACE” and that not of ourselves, it (salvation) is a Gift from God”. You either accept that or don't it's up to you. IMO peace and love………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Amen.
1Cor.3:5 What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave [opportunity] to each one.
6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was Causing the growth.
7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who Causes the growth.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.Jn.15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2Every branch in me that does not bear fruit He takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
Peace brother………
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,23:55) Terricca……….If you notice it was The OWNER of the Vineyard that went out and Hired them , but in your religion belief you hire yourself you create your own vineyard and go to work in it yourself. That is the Problem here you believe your Choices being about you salvation , but Just as the Parable you posted shows to any one who understands, it was the OWNER who Sought out the “Potential workers, And if you noticed the Last hired who did little work Got as much as the First hired, and the First hired complained becasue they thought because they worked harder and longer they would get more , but what happened, They only recieved the same as the one who did little work. It was up to the owner “GOD” to give it as he seen fit. So how does this fit with you “Self'” Salvation by your own self works idea fit. Do you believe the Workers are the one who supply the vineyard and the opportunity for work themselves?. A salvation apart form God himself is impossible, Just as it says “we are saved By “GRACE” and that not of ourselves, it (salvation) is a Gift from God”. You either accept that or don't it's up to you. IMO peace and love………………………………….gene
ABEI know ,but does he paid the workers one dinar for doing NOTHING IN THE VINEYARD
Abe……good scriptures, it is definitely God who gives the increase, who he does it through is His business, and even some were enemies of Christ who he used , like the Apostle Paul who said he was born to be a apostle of God, from the womb, but he did not pursue it on his own or by his own “FREEWILL ” choice but was chosen by God at berth. He persecuted the church and Jesus said to him why persecute me Paul. He had to be blinded and forced to a state of convergence before he was useable to God. He did not, out of his own so-called “FREEWILL” decide to follow Jesus. There is no scripture that says Paul out of His own FREEWILL chose to serve God , in fact he thought he was but was all the time persecuting true Christians even as it is today. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2013,04:35) Abe……good scriptures, it is definitely God who gives the increase, who he does it through is His business, and even some were enemies of Christ who he used , like the Apostle Paul who said he was born to be a apostle of God, from the womb, but he did not pursue it on his own or by his own “FREEWILL ” choice but was chosen by God at berth. He persecuted the church and Jesus said to him why persecute me Paul. He had to be blinded and forced to a state of convergence before he was useable to God. He did not, out of his own so-called “FREEWILL” decide to follow Jesus. There is no scripture that says Paul out of His own FREEWILL chose to serve God , in fact he thought he was but was all the time persecuting true Christians even as it is today. IMO Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
GeneI did not know that you think of yourself be equal to Paul,
Terricca……….. Why not he is my brother in The Lord we are of the same spirit, but Where have you ever heard me say that I was equal with Paul, you sure don't have a problem lying about what people say or think do you? You are indeed a “FALSE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN” just as the spirit of who you follow is. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2013,23:42) Terricca……….. Why not he is my brother in The Lord we are of the same spirit, but Where have you ever heard me say that I was equal with Paul, you sure don't have a problem lying about what people say or think do you? You are indeed a “FALSE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN” just as the spirit of who you follow is. IMO gene
GeneQuote Terricca……….. Why not he is my brother in The Lord MT 12:50 “For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”
MK 3:35 “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.”
I do not see this in your comments Gene ,
Quote we are of the same spirit, this is not true ;you diffidently do not agree with Paul ,so much so ,that most of what Paul teaches from Christ YOU CHANGE IT INTO YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION ,SO YOU ARE OUT
Quote Where have you ever heard me say that I was equal with Paul, HOW DID YOU FIND OUT THAT i EVER SAY THIS
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,14:35) Abe……good scriptures, it is definitely God who gives the increase, who he does it through is His business, and even some were enemies of Christ who he used , like the Apostle Paul who said he was born to be a apostle of God, from the womb, but he did not pursue it on his own or by his own “FREEWILL ” choice but was chosen by God at berth. He persecuted the church and Jesus said to him why persecute me Paul. He had to be blinded and forced to a state of convergence before he was useable to God. He did not, out of his own so-called “FREEWILL” decide to follow Jesus. There is no scripture that says Paul out of His own FREEWILL chose to serve God , in fact he thought he was but was all the time persecuting true Christians even as it is today. IMO Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Hi Gene,Thanks.
Col.4:3 praying at the same time for us also, that God may open to us a door of the word to speak the mystery of Christ, on account of which also I am bound,
that God may open to us a door of the word
Peace brother……….
gene
Paul ; and Christ ;work;(s)
AC 13:2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
AC 14:26 From there they sailed to Antioch, from which they had been commended to the grace of God for the work that they had accomplished.
1CO 3:13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s. work
Phil 2:12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
MT 5:16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven
JN 6:27 “Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”
see you think that Paul his your brother just like you think Christ his your brother but you say that we do not have to do anything just sit tied and wait ,Paul and Christ disagree with you ,you must not have the same spirit guiding you,right
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2013,14:23) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2013,04:35) Abe……good scriptures, it is definitely God who gives the increase, who he does it through is His business, and even some were enemies of Christ who he used , like the Apostle Paul who said he was born to be a apostle of God, from the womb, but he did not pursue it on his own or by his own “FREEWILL ” choice but was chosen by God at berth. He persecuted the church and Jesus said to him why persecute me Paul. He had to be blinded and forced to a state of convergence before he was useable to God. He did not, out of his own so-called “FREEWILL” decide to follow Jesus. There is no scripture that says Paul out of His own FREEWILL chose to serve God , in fact he thought he was but was all the time persecuting true Christians even as it is today. IMO Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
GeneI did not know that you think of yourself be equal to Paul,
Terricca………Read it for yourself, it your own words. O and where did I ever say we don't have to do any thing, just sit and wait . you seem unable to stop lying about what people say can you? Show us one scripture where I ever said either one of what you said or evenly hinted at it.I have said our SALVATION IS A WORK OF GOD, IT is GOD who takes out of us the STONY HEART , and gives us a HEART OF FLESH ( A soft heart) And writes HIS LAW IN OUR INWARD PARTS, and as a result we will be living a life in accordance with his Spirit as a result of what GOD has CREATED IN US. Just as it Says God works in us “BOTH” to WILL and DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE
Pierre I do not want to discuss this with you any longer , believe what you will, so will I.
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gene
why you do not answer my post now i have given scriptures that kills you views and faith as you tell me you have ,???
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the spirit of truth that God provide to those that love him ,is an spirit of understanding following our search for his truth not ours,
it is generated also through our love for him ;
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 16 2013,16:02) gene why you do not answer my post now i have given scriptures that kills you views and faith as you tell me you have ,???
Terricca……. ARE YOU DELUSIONAL, You gave not one scripture that kills anything I have said, post the scripture where I said we shouldn't do any thing, you simply are a false accuser of the brethren and are a servant of your father the devil, he was a LIAR and a THIEF from the beginning .WHAT I SAID WAS WE CAN'T “EARN” OUR SALVATION, IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD.
I based that on the scripture that says For we are “SAVED” BY “GRACE” and that “NOT OF OURSELVES it is a GIFT from GOD.
Nowhere did I say we do nothing in our lives to comply with the spirit of GOD. How can a man who is truly converted by God not want to do his will? If his mind has been changed his thinking has also and he will try to do things the way GOD leads Him.
For it is “GOD” who “WORKS” in us “BOTH” TO “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE
You hate that scripture because you believe it is your yourself that saves yourself by your own so-called “FREEWILL CHOICES” . YOU don't seem to want GOD to have any thing to do with it, your saving yourself because that will give you something to boast and get puffed up about.
That is exactly why scripture says GOD saves us by GREACE Lest ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. That scripture is there for people like you who think they can “EARN” their salvation. IMO
gene
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