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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2013,20:20) Terricca……..The God of Gods is not saying there are other “TRUE” Gods, it is saying OUR God is the God of those “FALSE GOD”S” , So what is a “TRUE” God, it is a DIVINE DEITY . There are no other divine deities but ONE> Because it says Satan is the God of this world is saying not that Satan is a true God, but people of this world serve his spirit and therefore follow him, was the point of that statement. Who or what ever you serve is your God, But my God said you are not to bow down to them nor serve them, And he also said there is NO GOD'S BESIDES HIM, he said he looked for another God and found none, but you people looked and found some. Interesting, God could not find “any”, but You and Mike find all kinds of Gods. So who are we going to believe Our true God, or you false teachers who go about creating other Gods.
All trinitarians and preexistences must have other God's in order to meet there false teachings about Jesus in John 1:1 and if you understood 2Ths2 you would understand that it is talking about Jesus, who is being “displayed” as a God. This is a False teaching about Jesus, which Jesus himself will abloish with his very own words, when he returns.
As i have said anything can be a God to anyone, if you let it be, but none of that makes those false imaginary Gods a “TRUE” God. I believe as God the Father and Jesus and Paul said , though there be many “SO-CALLED” God's, but unto US (true believers ) there is BUT “ONE” GOD> So make all the God's you want like you co-hart Mike , but you will both dealt with for this. IMO
peace and love ……………………………….gene
GENEQuote Terricca……..The God of Gods is not saying there are other “TRUE” Gods, it is saying OUR God is the God of those “FALSE GOD”S” , So what is a “TRUE” God, it is a DIVINE DEITY . There are no other divine deities but ONE> you do not make sens ,it like saying ;the president in every state are false president because Obama his the only true President ,
can you not see that their could be many presidents but only one to cover them all ,and so it is with Jehovah God ,he his the ultimate God all others are but submit to him ,
Terricca………Don't know about the country you live in, but the US only has ONE President not many and to say a country has many President is not saying they are GOD”S now is it? Talk about confused , you trying to make carnel reasoning fit Jesus and God's words. Look My God Said he looked for other GODs and Found NONE and if His words are not good enough for you Preexistences and Trinitarians so be it. You have alread corrupted your whole thread by getting off subject matter anyway.IMO
peace and love………………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2013,19:43) Terricca………Don't know about the country you live in, but the US only has ONE President not many and to say a country has many President is not saying they are GOD”S now is it? Talk about confused , you trying to make carnel reasoning fit Jesus and God's words. Look My God Said he looked for other GODs and Found NONE and if His words are not good enough for you Preexistences and Trinitarians so be it. You have alread corrupted your whole thread by getting off subject matter anyway.IMO peace and love………………………………………………..gene
geneagain it is God himself that called his son a GOD ,why are you so against the word of God
?Terricca………It is God himself that said he looked for other Gods and found none, so why do you go against God's words and he said he created everything by himself and you say it was through Jesus he created it all, and Jesus said there were NO OTHER TRUE GOD'S so if there are no other “TRUE” God's then common sense tells you all others are ?”FALSE” God's. If you want to believe in other Gods so be it , but I will trust God and his words and have no other God's besides him. So go ahead and make all the Gods you want and pay the penalty for doing it, that you and the rest of the Trinitarians, and Preexistences problem as far as I am concerned. I AM DONE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOU PIERRE, believe what you will.
Peace and love………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 14 2013,02:25) Terricca………It is God himself that said he looked for other Gods and found none, so why do you go against God's words and he said he created everything by himself and you say it was through Jesus he created it all, and Jesus said there were NO OTHER TRUE GOD'S so if there are no other “TRUE” God's then common sense tells you all others are ?”FALSE” God's. If you want to believe in other Gods so be it , but I will trust God and his words and have no other God's besides him. So go ahead and make all the Gods you want and pay the penalty for doing it, that you and the rest of the Trinitarians, and Preexistences problem as far as I am concerned. I AM DONE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOU PIERRE, believe what you will. Peace and love………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,אלהים ĔL-ō-Hêêm translates into English as one of the following definitions:
1. Magistrates
2. Leaders
3. Angels
4. God1) Can't mean magistrates because YHVH appointed them, so we know there are other magistrates.
2) Can't mean leaders, as we also know there are plenty of them.
3. We know he can't mean spirit beings either, because YHVH is a spirit.
4. The clearly deduced meaning of Isaiah 44:8 compares directly with Isaiah 45:1.“there is no God beside me” (Isaiah 45:5)
Thank you Gene!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2013,21:25) Terricca………It is God himself that said he looked for other Gods and found none, so why do you go against God's words and he said he created everything by himself and you say it was through Jesus he created it all, and Jesus said there were NO OTHER TRUE GOD'S so if there are no other “TRUE” God's then common sense tells you all others are ?”FALSE” God's. If you want to believe in other Gods so be it , but I will trust God and his words and have no other God's besides him. So go ahead and make all the Gods you want and pay the penalty for doing it, that you and the rest of the Trinitarians, and Preexistences problem as far as I am concerned. I AM DONE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOU PIERRE, believe what you will. Peace and love………………………………..gene
geneI already told you that their is no other God like Jehovah the almighty father of Christ ,but that does not eliminate other gods ,and they are not false even some are idols
Terricca………..If scripture says 'no other “TRUE” GOD then it is obvious all others are “FALSE” GOD'S simple logoic should tell you that. if there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD< then all other are FALSE GOD'S how simple even a child should be able to figure that out. IMO
I am done descussing this with you Pierre. We can make no head way if we can't agree on this simple subject and it has nothing to do with your Thread about Spirit anyway. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2013,20:00) Terricca………..If scripture says 'no other “TRUE” GOD then it is obvious all others are “FALSE” GOD'S simple logoic should tell you that. if there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD< then all other are FALSE GOD'S how simple even a child should be able to figure that out. IMO I am done descussing this with you Pierre. We can make no head way if we can't agree on this simple subject and it has nothing to do with you Thread about Spirit anyway. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
Geneare all true prophets no they are false prophets ,but what is the difference between the true ones and the false ones
THE TRUE ONE RECEIVED THEIR INSTRUCTION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY ,THE FALSE ONES ARE TALKING OF THEIR OWN HEART AND MIND ,
SO WHEN GOD SAYS THAT THERE ARE OTHER gods THAT MEANS THAT THERE ARE OTHER GODS THAT ARE UNDER HIS COMMAND ,BUT THEIR ARE AS WELL FALSE GODS THAT CLAIM THAT THEY ARE A GOD BUT ARE NOT ,OR ARE MEN MADE ,
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH WAY YOU LOOKING AT THIS IS THE TRUTH
Terricca…….we were talking about GOD, not prophets, BIG DIFFERENCE. But you human carnal reasonings could care less about the truth RIGHT?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2013,20:00) Terricca………..If scripture says 'no other “TRUE” GOD then it is obvious all others are “FALSE” GOD'S simple logoic should tell you that. if there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD< then all other are FALSE GOD'S how simple even a child should be able to figure that out. IMO I am done descussing this with you Pierre. We can make no head way if we can't agree on this simple subject and it has nothing to do with your Thread about Spirit anyway. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
geneshow your scriptures where you are taking this from
you never quote scriptures but just for this time do it ,
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2013,20:14) Terricca…….we were talking about GOD, not prophets, BIG DIFFERENCE. But you human carnal reasonings could care less about the truth RIGHT?
genewhere is your scriptural argument
never show scriptures only your own personal opinions
Gene, T;
What is your definition of god in relation to God?
What is your definition of god in relation to angels?Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2013,23:07) Gene, T; What is your definition of god in relation to God?
What is your definition of god in relation to angels?
kGOD = MIGHTY ONE =JEHOVAH ALMIGHTY ONE =GOD
god =mighty = angels or men ,idols
so God is the God of gods ;= the almighty his above the mighty ones
Kerwin……A God is not just a mighty one, that does not make a God of any kind it must also entail what a person trusts in. Scriptures tells us God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man that he should repent.
The original Hebrew pictorial symbol for God had TWO parts, one was the the symbol of an OX, meaning might or strength, the other was a symbol for a Shepard STAFF , meaning what we trust in, lean on for support and direction, there is no term for a God without BOTH of these two letters and there meanings incorporated in the term for GOD. So on the one hand anything can be a GOD, to a person that attributes both of these two meanings to, even a peace of carved stone or wood, can be a GOD, like All the idols of the pagans , even your own things in your life, But the question is are they a TRUE GODS, well they are, to fools believing in them, But we who are of the true Believers, understand that these are just False GOD, and we have no trust in them, even if they are a mighty ones, they still are not our GOD, and we have NO trust in them at all.
Kerwin you have to understand why these false teachers must have other Gods in there lives , because they can't use John 1:1 for Jesus being a God himself if they don't believe in other Gods.
Jesus plainly said concerning God the Father, that he was the, “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, if Jesus said he was the “ONLY” TRUE GOD then all OTHERS ARE “FALSE” Gods. Not to mention GOD himself said He looked for other Gods and found none. The concept of people having other GODS is true , but are they TRUE GODS , well to them who are worshiping them they are, but we believers in the ONLY TRUE GOD know all those Gods made by those people are FALSE GODS, because to us there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD and all others are FALSE Gods. IMO
Peace and Love to you and yours………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2013,20:20) Kerwin……A God is not just a mighty one, that does not make a God of any kind it must also entail what a person trusts in. Scriptures tells us God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man that he should repent. The original Hebrew pictorial symbol for God had TWO parts, one was the the symbol of an OX, meaning might or strength, the other was a symbol for a Shepard STAFF , meaning what we trust in, lean on for support and direction, there is no term for a God without BOTH of these two letters and there meanings incorporated in the term for GOD. So on the one hand anything can be a GOD, to a person that attributes both of these two meanings to, even a peace of carved stone or wood, can be a GOD, like All the idols of the pagans , even your own things in your life, But the question is are they a TRUE GODS, well they are, to fools believing in them, But we who are of the true Believers, understand that these are just False GOD, and we have no trust in them, even if they are a mighty ones, they still are not our GOD, and we have NO trust in them at all.
Kerwin you have to understand why these false teachers must have other Gods in there lives , because they can't use John 1:1 for Jesus being a God himself if they don't believe in other Gods.
Jesus plainly said concerning God the Father, that he was the, “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, if Jesus said he was the “ONLY” TRUE GOD then all OTHERS ARE “FALSE” Gods. Not to mention GOD himself said He looked for other Gods and found none. The concept of people having other GODS is true , but are they TRUE GODS , well to them who are worshiping them they are, but we believers in the ONLY TRUE GOD know all those Gods made by those people are FALSE GODS, because to us there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD and all others are FALSE Gods. IMO
Peace and Love to you and yours………………………….gene
Gene,god has several meanings. I believe you should discuss with T what meaning of God fits God alone and what definition fits the angels.
Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,06:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2013,20:20) Kerwin……A God is not just a mighty one, that does not make a God of any kind it must also entail what a person trusts in. Scriptures tells us God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man that he should repent. The original Hebrew pictorial symbol for God had TWO parts, one was the the symbol of an OX, meaning might or strength, the other was a symbol for a Shepard STAFF , meaning what we trust in, lean on for support and direction, there is no term for a God without BOTH of these two letters and there meanings incorporated in the term for GOD. So on the one hand anything can be a GOD, to a person that attributes both of these two meanings to, even a peace of carved stone or wood, can be a GOD, like All the idols of the pagans , even your own things in your life, But the question is are they a TRUE GODS, well they are, to fools believing in them, But we who are of the true Believers, understand that these are just False GOD, and we have no trust in them, even if they are a mighty ones, they still are not our GOD, and we have NO trust in them at all.
Kerwin you have to understand why these false teachers must have other Gods in there lives , because they can't use John 1:1 for Jesus being a God himself if they don't believe in other Gods.
Jesus plainly said concerning God the Father, that he was the, “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, if Jesus said he was the “ONLY” TRUE GOD then all OTHERS ARE “FALSE” Gods. Not to mention GOD himself said He looked for other Gods and found none. The concept of people having other GODS is true , but are they TRUE GODS , well to them who are worshiping them they are, but we believers in the ONLY TRUE GOD know all those Gods made by those people are FALSE GODS, because to us there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD and all others are FALSE Gods. IMO
Peace and Love to you and yours………………………….gene
Gene,god has several meanings. I believe you should discuss with T what meaning of God fits God alone and what definition fits the angels.
Kyou try to play referee,
gene is stuck that their is only one God ,this is not true their are many gods ,
but no god is equal the the true almighty God that created all things and that as an son Named Jesus Christ and also THE WORD ,THAT WAS SEND FROM HEAVEN TO PAY FOR OUR SINS .
all other gods are leaser gods with less power than God almighty ,the father of all.
so the true GOD stand out by what he as done ,
T,
There is no clause “lesser god” in Scripture. The meaning of god when applied to Jehovah is different when than when applied to a man or an angel. When he says there is no gods but him then he is using an exclusive meaning that does not apply to anyone else.
When Scripture states Jehovah is gods of gods he using the first gods as a singular and the second as a plural. A god is a little superior to man while the gods is a multitude of times superior to both man and angel.
Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,13:12) T, There is no clause “lesser god” in Scripture. The meaning of god when applied to Jehovah is different when than when applied to a man or an angel. When he says there is no gods but him then he is using an exclusive meaning that does not apply to anyone else.
When Scripture states Jehovah is gods of gods he using the first gods as a singular and the second as a plural. A god is a little superior to man while the gods is a multitude of times superior to both man and angel.
KLesser god is the expression that they are not all the same either in action or powers,
So yes they are so lesser,than the almighty God Jehovah ,none is like him.
And yes when it says gods it apply s to any mighty ones (gods)either in heaven or on earth ,
Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,13:32) Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,13:12) T, There is no clause “lesser god” in Scripture. The meaning of god when applied to Jehovah is different when than when applied to a man or an angel. When he says there is no gods but him then he is using an exclusive meaning that does not apply to anyone else.
When Scripture states Jehovah is gods of gods he using the first gods as a singular and the second as a plural. A god is a little superior to man while the gods is a multitude of times superior to both man and angel.
KLesser god is the expression that they are not all the same either in action or powers,
So yes they are so lesser,than the almighty God Jehovah ,none is like him.
And yes when it says gods it apply s to any mighty ones (gods)either in heaven or on earth ,
T,They are not even the same kind as God is a kind all of his own.
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