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This video series is excellent. There are a few things I disagree with, but by and large, I think it pretty much nails the truth.
It shows where Catholicism and Islam originate and covers many other subjects too.
I recommend starting from the beginning because you need to know certain things in order to understand the reasoning used in latter videos.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 06 2013,11:20) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v….DCEB4F0 This video series is excellent. There are a few things I disagree with, but by and large, I think it pretty much nails the truth.
It shows where Catholicism and Islam originate and covers many other subjects too.
I recommend starting from the beginning because you need to know certain things in order to understand the reasoning used in latter videos.
T8Catholocism is your Mother religion Christianity would not exist at all without it.
Islam has nothing to do with Catholocism or trinitarianism
Islam is th same RELIGION as Abraham praticed
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 06 2013,18:01) T8 Catholocism is your Mother religion Christianity would not exist at all without it.
Islam has nothing to do with Catholocism or trinitarianism
Islam is th same RELIGION as Abraham praticed
Just shows how very little you know bod.Jesus never established Catholicism, he established the Body of Christ. I belong to the latter. Catholicism was nothing more than the Holy Roman Empire in continuation.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 06 2013,21:58) Jesus never established Catholicism, he established the Body of Christ. I belong to the latter. Catholicism was nothing more than the Holy Roman Empire in continuation.
Yes but converting to Christianity just likePaul they use to Kill Christians all the time and then the emperor converted. You woul have no knowledge of the “body of Christ” had it not been for that conversion and Rome becoming Christian. Catholocism is your Mother religion now if you have complaints that's one thing but to deny it has spread the NT more than any other entity on Earth is just silly and I assume you must also not be pentecostal but they also are the Daughte of the Catholic Church and the first to rebel against it's Mother who has up to this point created 39,000 offspring denominations none which can understand the language of the others now this seems like Babylon to me but what makes you a better Christian than any good Catholic?Bod, if the Roman Empire didn’t create the Harlot Church, then it would be much easier to know the true Church the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ was doing very well before Rome stepped in and took over. The Body had already spread to all corners of the empire and the only reason Rome did anything about it at all was because it was so big and threatening. So from Satan realising that persecuting believers was only fanning the flames, his Plan B and master stroke was to embrace the Church into his beastal empire.
Rome was very good and conquering enemies, and even though Christians at first proved hard to beat, he managed some huge victories by tempting Christians with worldly power and then depriving people of the scriptures. Once the harlot church was born out if the Roman Empire, then power over the Christians was easy especially now that they had to go to a priest to get so-called truth.
If you study history, you would know that the Roman Catholic Church is not the Body of Christ. And if you study prophecy you would know who the harlot is that rides the back of the beast.But yes, most cannot distinguish the harlot from the true Church and as a result, men speak evil of God. But not all are deceived. In fact if you study history, you can see that the RCC burned many Christians at the stake.
It's easier to understand the modus operandi of the adversary by putting yourself in his shoes so to speak. For example, you try to stamp out followers of Jesus of Nazareth in the early years by persecution and they go underground, then multiply and spring up in greater numbers over a larger area.. HMM..
OK, I will take my religion (mystery babylon) and dip it in a veneer of christianity. Wala.. cathololicm (Semiramusism) for the west.. I will spin off a branch in the east that worships the moon as the west worships the sun. Wala.. Islam (Nimrodism) . Tammuz will encompass all the other mryiad branches of the tree of mystery babylon.
“The REAL truth will be very hard to find” The adversary muses to himself as he pats himself on the back.
Think out of the box a little and it all makes perfect sense.
That is why I wanted to enlighten the ones here that are diligently seeking the truth with the fuel project video series. The rabbit hole goes much deeper than that too, trust me.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 06 2013,15:01) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 06 2013,11:20) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v….DCEB4F0 This video series is excellent. There are a few things I disagree with, but by and large, I think it pretty much nails the truth.
It shows where Catholicism and Islam originate and covers many other subjects too.
I recommend starting from the beginning because you need to know certain things in order to understand the reasoning used in latter videos.
T8Catholocism is your Mother religion Christianity would not exist at all without it.
Islam has nothing to do with Catholocism or trinitarianism
Islam is th same RELIGION as Abraham praticed
True that!
The RCC made the Christian Bible with a heavy emphasis on Paul’s personal opinion about Jesus.….and there are 35,000 fragments of Christianity, each one saying they have the only right way
Caino
Quote (John3:3 @ Aug. 08 2013,02:42) It's easier to understand the modus operandi of the adversary by putting yourself in his shoes so to speak. For example, you try to stamp out followers of Jesus of Nazareth in the early years by persecution and they go underground, then multiply and spring up in greater numbers over a larger area.. HMM.. OK, I will take my religion (mystery babylon) and dip it in a veneer of christianity. Wala.. cathololicm (Semiramusism) for the west.. I will spin off a branch in the east that worships the moon as the west worships the sun. Wala.. Islam (Nimrodism) . Tammuz will encompass all the other mryiad branches of the tree of mystery babylon.
“The REAL truth will be very hard to find” The adversary muses to himself as he pats himself on the back.
Think out of the box a little and it all makes perfect sense.
That is why I wanted to enlighten the ones here that are diligently seeking the truth with the fuel project video series. The rabbit hole goes much deeper than that too, trust me.
One big problem:Islam and absolutely mean NO ONE in ISLAM worships the moon. If Muslims worshiped the moon surely the Quran would say it but instead it says:
And He has subjected to you the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; and the stars are subjected by His Command. Surely, in this are proofs for people who understand.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #12)
Then the story of Abraham cancelling out such things as objects of worship:
Surah 6
74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”
75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.
76 When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: “This is my Lord.” But when it set, He said: “I love not those that set.”
77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.”
78 When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all).” But when the sun set, he said: “O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.
79 “For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.”
80 His people disputed with him. He said: “(Come) ye to dispute with me, about Allah, when He (Himself) hath guided me? I fear not (the beings) ye associate with Allah: Unless my Lord willeth, (nothing can happen). My Lord comprehendeth in His knowledge all things. Will ye not (yourselves) be admonished?
81 “How should I fear (the beings) ye associate with Allah, when ye fear not to give partners to Allah without any warrant having been given to you? Which of (us) two parties hath more right to security? (tell me) if ye know.
82 “It is those who believe and confuse not their beliefs with wrong – that are (truly) in security, for they are on (right) guidance.”
83 That was the reasoning about Us, which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will, degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
So John 3:3 this proves your false narrative and according to Jesus this would definitly prove that Muslims do not worship the moon and Allah is certainly not a “moon God” because if it were true ALLAH would not speak against himself so it is FALSE so the issue and question is can you behonest enough to admit your error and then stop misinforming people?
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 07 2013,20:00) Bod, if the Roman Empire didn't create the Harlot Church, then it would be much easier to know the true Church the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ was doing very well before Rome stepped in and took over. The Body had already spread to all corners of the empire and the only reason Rome did anything about it at all was because it was so big and threatening. So from Satan realising that persecuting believers was only fanning the flames, his Plan B and master stroke was to embrace the Church into his beastal empire. Rome was very good and conquering enemies, and even though Christians at first proved hard to beat, he managed some huge victories by tempting Christians with worldly power and then depriving people of the scriptures. Once the harlot church was born out if the Holy Roman Empire, then power over the Christians was easy especially now that they had to go to a priest to get so-called truth.
If you study history, you would know that the Roman Catholic Church is not the Body of Christ. And if you study prophecy you would know who the harlot is that rides the back of the beast.
But yes, most cannot distinguish the harlot from the true Church and as a result, men speak evil of God. But not all are deceived.
In fact if you study history, you can see that the RCC burned many Christians at the stake.
They did burn others at the stake but most they burned or tortured they did so thinking they had thecorrect Christian position just like you condemn other Christians claiming they are “false” but what makes them false and you true?Protestants are the Catholic church minus 7 books and the priesthood so are protestants the True Christians?
You say most cannot distinguish the harlot from the true church if that is the case then tell us how to distinguish but in doing so please remember you have a 1 in 35,000 chance of being right.
It seems to me that every couple of years a Christian digs into the bible creates his own private interpretation and starts the “true church” then you have people like John 3:3 who get really creative go into huge conspiracy theories but the crazy thing is Satan doesn't work like that so you miss the obvious like th fact you are wasting your time andcould be doing something more productive like actually loving your neighbor anWorshiping God without partners
bod I can see that you too are blinded by Satan's version of world history.
I will put it simply for you.
There is the world and there is the Kingdom of God.
No worldly entity is the Kingdom of God. It is not like anything the world has ever seen and the world cannot see it.
If you cannot see it, then you are of the world. If you can see it, then your eyes are opened.
This whole Catholic Protestant thing is a distraction for the carnal. Although the protestant movement had some lofty goals and I am thankful for it, it has become no better in many cases than the harlot church.
But carnal men cannot see the true Kingdom, they need labels and denominations to guide their way.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,08:19) You say most cannot distinguish the harlot from the true church if that is the case then tell us how to distinguish but in doing so please remember you have a 1 in 35,000 chance of being right.
Very easy.The true Church is the Body of Christ. It is made up of living stones who are the believers filled with God's Spirit. Satan has never been able to overcome it.
No single denomination is the Church, they are merely carnal divisions where Satan and the flesh seek to divide the Kingdom of God.
Jesus made it clear. He has no worldly army and it is not like any worldly system. No CEO, no vice-president, etc. Rather, it is a spiritual temple with Jesus and the Apostles as the foundation. On top of that are prophets, teachers, elders, evangelists…
Men speak evil of God and even you prove that you have been effected by Satan's attempt to undermine the Church, by convincing the world that the harlot Church is the church. Anyone who thinks such is deceived by the one who deceives the whole world.
This is true if you are of the world. If you are not, then you can see clearly. But your questions betray you.
Quote (John3:3 @ Aug. 07 2013,09:42) That is why I wanted to enlighten the ones here that are diligently seeking the truth with the fuel project video series. The rabbit hole goes much deeper than that too, trust me.
I told you in the other thread, but thanks again for bringing our attention to that series.I believe you that the rabbit hole goes much deeper. A person could probably devote their entire time on earth to learning everything there was to know about only one of the many twistings of the Christian faith.
This guy did a good job of researching and highlighting a few of them for us.
1. The True Origin of 'Allah':
The Archaeological Record SpeaksA. The Name of God in the Bible
The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH ()or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as “The Self-Existent One”, being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning “to exist”. As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible. What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worhipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name “Yahweh” was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation.It is claimed by Muslims that Allah is the God of the Bible and that he is mentioned in the sacred texts. This is absolutely not true. The name “Allah” does not appear once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YAHWEH (meaning “He (who) is”) or as a contraction, YAH. [Please note that the name “Jehovah” is not a biblical name of God but was especially 'created' by Jews afraid to pronounce the Sacred Name by combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels from adonai, meaning “Lord”].
The word alah does exist in Hebrew but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. It has three principal meanings: (a) to curse, swear, or adjure; (b) to lament (weep); and  to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc.. It is an indisputable fact that ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no word 'alah' or 'allah' in the Greek New Testament at all. It was, quite simply, unknown in the Bible world. To therefore claim that 'Allah' was the name of God in the Bible is without one single shred of evidence. God has always been known as Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah.
Muslim scholars have gone to great lengths to try and prove that the Arabic “Allah” is, in fact, the same as the Hebrew “Eloah”, which is not a proper name and simply translates as “God”. The words “El” and “Elohim” also translate the same way, appear far more numerously than Eloah, and may be used to designate either the true God, pagan deities, idols, or even human judges. It is for this reason that I have heard Muslim apologists get annoyed when other Muslins talk about “God” instead of “Allah” because the word “God” can be applied to any religion's god. They recognise that Allah is a proper name which distinguishes the God of the Muslims from the God of the Jews and Christians, or the gods of the Hindus and others. “Eloah” is, in any case, a derivative of “El” and its plural “Elohim” which doesn't remotely sound like “Allah”. You will not find many (if any) Muslims insisting that they worship the Hebrew Eloah – the only time they ever try to make a connection is when trying to recruit Jews and Christians to Islam. If I were confess that “Eloah” were my God and that Mohammed was his prophet I doubt any Muslim would believe I had converted to Islam!
There is another El-derived word for “God” in the Old Testament which sounds similar to Allah and that is Elah. It is only used by the prophets Ezra, Daniel and once by Jeremiah. It is, again, not a proper name, and actually also means an “oak tree” and was thus also used by pagans as a title for their tree deities, i.e. idols. I doubt somehow that Muslims would wish their Allah to be associated with an idol.
Even if the Muslim scholars were right about “Eloah” (which the evidence strongly repudiates) we would then be faced with the problem that God has two proper names – Yahweh and Eloah/Allah – which contradicts God's own testimony in the Old Testament that He is only known as Yahweh.
The Name Yahweh is enshrined in the Third Commandment:
Thou shalt not take the Name of Yahweh () thy Elohim [God] in vain” (Ex.20:7)
The word “vain” is the Hebrew shoaw, meaning “to rush over, to bring devastation, uselessness, or ruin”. In other words, this is THE Sacred Name above all names. This Name is not to be blasphemed (Lev.24:16) or desicrated. It is to be treated with reverential awe because it is the essence of the True God Himself.
The Catholics and most Protestants have blasphemed this Name by changing it to “Jehovah” which translated “God is perverse” by mutilating it (as described above). There is even a whole church called the “Jehovah's Witnesses” which uses this disgusting name. The Bible teaches from cover to cover that the true Name of God, Yahweh, is essential to salvation. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used througout. Yahweh is the creator “who made the earth and the heavens” (Gen.2:4).One thing most Muslims and Christians are ignorant of is that the Name of the True God appears within the Name of Jesus. Most Christians are rather embarrassed to learn that “Jesus” isn't the real Name of Christ at all. If you had asked someone in New Testament times who “Jesus” was, nobody would have known. If you had asked Mary (Miryam) is she had a son called “Jesus” she would have stared at you blankly. The son of Mary was not called “Jesus” but Yah'shua ().
Jesus is a Greek word. The letter “J” doesn't even exist in Hebrew. Yet the angel Gabriel told Mary/Miriyam that the Messiah's Name, which was given by Almighty God Himself, was of special significance. It has a precise meaning of prophetic importance. Gabriel said that He would receive this Name because “He shall save His people from their sins”. Every Hebrew scholar will tell you that the Name given through Gabriel was Y'SHUA or YAH'SHUA. Literally translated this means, “YAH saves” – and you will remember that Yah is a contraction of Yahweh.
You see, God's true Name was even preserved in the Name of the Messiah because it is YAH / Yahweh – who saves. The Name of “Jesus” was “YAHWEH SAVES”.
The Scriptures are therefore consistent not only in preserving the true Name of God, Yahweh, throughout, but in placing the Sacred Name in the Messiah as well. This is no accident of of immense prophetic significance. There are now millions of believers who now no longer use the perverse name “Jehovah” and who use the correct name of Jesus, Yah'shua, in order to be true to the Scriptures. I am one of them. Christians have been guilty of obscuring the truth by adopting perverted or Hellenised Names of Deity.
What has this to do with our discussion of Allah? The reason I have spent so much time underscoring the Biblical Name of God is to show clearly and finally that it has been known as Yahweh since the beginning of time. And whilst there are certain superficial similarities in sound to the Arabic “Allah” the meaning and historical origin is quite, quite different.
B. Origin of the Name Allah
The word “Allah” comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article “the” and ilah is an Arabic word for “god”, i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare “Allah” with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because “Allah” is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity.The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name … corresponding to the Baylonian Bel” (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).
I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present t
he archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced.“Allah is found … in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam” (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)
“The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)
“Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities” (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2013,13:24) I told you in the other thread, but thanks again for bringing our attention to that series.
For convenience, the original thread is here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….37;st=0
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 08 2013,08:38) bod I can see that you too are blinded by Satan's version of world history. I will put it simply for you.
There is the world and there is the Kingdom of God.
No worldly entity is the Kingdom of God. It is not like anything the world has ever seen and the world cannot see it.
If you cannot see it, then you are of the world. If you can see it, then your eyes are opened.
This whole Catholic Protestant thing is a distraction for the carnal. Although the protestant movement had some lofty goals and I am thankful for it, it has become no better in many cases than the harlot church.
But carnal men cannot see the true Kingdom, they need labels and denominations to guide their way.
You haven't really pointed out or pointed to any religious qualification and this is what I mean it's already in your bible but you don't believe it:James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.You are the same as the 39,000 other denominations putting YOUR DOCTRINE over your duty to God and hence it seems to me that you cannot see the very kingdom you speak of
Luke 10:30-37
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, 34 and went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. 36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? 37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
This is TRUE RELIGION in ACTION not the endless doctrines you and others invent.
Thi is why I say it seemsto me aside from a few of the people here most don't love or know Christ Jesus:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.But you won't believe
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2013,11:49) 1. The True Origin of 'Allah':
The Archaeological Record SpeaksA. The Name of God in the Bible
The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH ()or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as “The Self-Existent One”, being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning “to exist”. As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible. What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worhipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name “Yahweh” was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation.It is claimed by Muslims that Allah is the God of the Bible and that he is mentioned in the sacred texts. This is absolutely not true. The name “Allah” does not appear once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YAHWEH (meaning “He (who) is”) or as a contraction, YAH. [Please note that the name “Jehovah” is not a biblical name of God but was especially 'created' by Jews afraid to pronounce the Sacred Name by combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels from adonai, meaning “Lord”].
The word alah does exist in Hebrew but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. It has three principal meanings: (a) to curse, swear, or adjure; (b) to lament (weep); and © to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc.. It is an indisputable fact that ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no word 'alah' or 'allah' in the Greek New Testament at all. It was, quite simply, unknown in the Bible world. To therefore claim that 'Allah' was the name of God in the Bible is without one single shred of evidence. God has always been known as Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah.
Muslim scholars have gone to great lengths to try and prove that the Arabic “Allah” is, in fact, the same as the Hebrew “Eloah”, which is not a proper name and simply translates as “God”. The words “El” and “Elohim” also translate the same way, appear far more numerously than Eloah, and may be used to designate either the true God, pagan deities, idols, or even human judges. It is for this reason that I have heard Muslim apologists get annoyed when other Muslins talk about “God” instead of “Allah” because the word “God” can be applied to any religion's god. They recognise that Allah is a proper name which distinguishes the God of the Muslims from the God of the Jews and Christians, or the gods of the Hindus and others. “Eloah” is, in any case, a derivative of “El” and its plural “Elohim” which doesn't remotely sound like “Allah”. You will not find many (if any) Muslims insisting that they worship the Hebrew Eloah – the only time they ever try to make a connection is when trying to recruit Jews and Christians to Islam. If I were confess that “Eloah” were my God and that Mohammed was his prophet I doubt any Muslim would believe I had converted to Islam!
There is another El-derived word for “God” in the Old Testament which sounds similar to Allah and that is Elah. It is only used by the prophets Ezra, Daniel and once by Jeremiah. It is, again, not a proper name, and actually also means an “oak tree” and was thus also used by pagans as a title for their tree deities, i.e. idols. I doubt somehow that Muslims would wish their Allah to be associated with an idol.
Even if the Muslim scholars were right about “Eloah” (which the evidence strongly repudiates) we would then be faced with the problem that God has two proper names – Yahweh and Eloah/Allah – which contradicts God's own testimony in the Old Testament that He is only known as Yahweh.
The Name Yahweh is enshrined in the Third Commandment:
Thou shalt not take the Name of Yahweh () thy Elohim [God] in vain” (Ex.20:7)
The word “vain” is the Hebrew shoaw, meaning “to rush over, to bring devastation, uselessness, or ruin”. In other words, this is THE Sacred Name above all names. This Name is not to be blasphemed (Lev.24:16) or desicrated. It is to be treated with reverential awe because it is the essence of the True God Himself.
The Catholics and most Protestants have blasphemed this Name by changing it to “Jehovah” which translated “God is perverse” by mutilating it (as described above). There is even a whole church called the “Jehovah's Witnesses” which uses this disgusting name. The Bible teaches from cover to cover that the true Name of God, Yahweh, is essential to salvation. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used througout. Yahweh is the creator “who made the earth and the heavens” (Gen.2:4).One thing most Muslims and Christians are ignorant of is that the Name of the True God appears within the Name of Jesus. Most Christians are rather embarrassed to learn that “Jesus” isn't the real Name of Christ at all. If you had asked someone in New Testament times who “Jesus” was, nobody would have known. If you had asked Mary (Miryam) is she had a son called “Jesus” she would have stared at you blankly. The son of Mary was not called “Jesus” but Yah'shua ().
Jesus is a Greek word. The letter “J” doesn't even exist in Hebrew. Yet the angel Gabriel told Mary/Miriyam that the Messiah's Name, which was given by Almighty God Himself, was of special significance. It has a precise meaning of prophetic importance. Gabriel said that He would receive this Name because “He shall save His people from their sins”. Every Hebrew scholar will tell you that the Name given through Gabriel was Y'SHUA or YAH'SHUA. Literally translated this means, “YAH saves” – and you will remember that Yah is a contraction of Yahweh.
You see, God's true Name was even preserved in the Name of the Messiah because it is YAH / Yahweh – who saves. The Name of “Jesus” was “YAHWEH SAVES”.
The Scriptures are therefore consistent not only in preserving the true Name of God, Yahweh, throughout, but in placing the Sacred Name in the Messiah as well. This is no accident of of immense prophetic significance. There are now millions of believers who now no longer use the perverse name “Jehovah” and who use the correct name of Jesus, Yah'shua, in order to be true to the Scriptures. I am one of them. Christians have been guilty of obscuring the truth by adopting perverted or Hellenised Names of Deity.
What has this to do with our discussion of Allah? The reason I have spent so much time underscoring the Biblical Name of God is to show clearly and finally that it has been known as Yahweh since the beginning of time. And whilst there are certain superficial similarities in sound to the Arabic “Allah” the meaning and historical origin is quite, quite different.
B. Origin of the Name Allah
The word “Allah” comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article “the” and ilah is an Arabic word for “god”, i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare “Allah” with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because “Allah” is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity.The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “'Allah' is a pre-Isl
amic name … corresponding to the Baylonian Bel” (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced.
“Allah is found … in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam” (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)
“The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)
“Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities” (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)
Now I will let the Bible Speak:Exodus 6:3
and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.Did you get that everyone before MOSES has never heard that name nor was God known by that name, why didn't your source reveal that?
Exodus 3:15
And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: “What will ye worship after me?” they said: “We shall worship Thy God and the God of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him we bow (in Islam).”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,15:16) You are the same as the 39,000 other denominations putting YOUR DOCTRINE over your duty to God and hence it seems to me that you cannot see the very kingdom you speak of
See there you go again.Can you not distinguish between spiritual and carnal.
If I believe in true religion, then what bearing does that have on denominations? None.
I have a question for you.
“If all who have true religion are members of different libraries, then which is the true library?”
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 08 2013,12:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,15:16) You are the same as the 39,000 other denominations putting YOUR DOCTRINE over your duty to God and hence it seems to me that you cannot see the very kingdom you speak of
See there you go again.Can you not distinguish between spiritual and carnal.
If I believe in true religion, then what bearing does that have on denominations? None.
I have a question for you.
“If all who have true religion are members of different libraries, then which is the true library?”
You are making my point not yours. You claimed that “Catholics” and “Protestants” were somehow not worthy of being a member. I am saying you can be protestant or Catholic and be a true member andonce you understand tht then you will see just like the story of the Samaritan you can also be Muslim because if you pay attention to that story you see that the first two who didn't help were supposed to and the one who would be expected to ignore the man was the actual neighbor.So when I say I love Jesus and you say you love Jesus how is it you assume that your love is more valid?
I actually do what he says by Worshiping God but you feel the need to make Jesus a Partner with God which is not what Jesus told you to do. We almost never debate about God in this forum the debate and attention is almost exclusively on Jesus there is no doubt many have put his place above that of GOD and it is wrong to do so
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