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CHINESE WHISPERS
In the game variously known as Chinese whispers, Telephone, Grapevine, Broken Telephone, Whisper Down the Lane, Gossip, Arab Phone (from the French Le téléphone arabe), and Stille Post (Silent Post), the first player whispers a phrase or sentence to the next player. Each player successively whispers what that player believes he or she heard to the next. The last player announces the statement to the entire group. Errors typically accumulate in the retellings, so the statement announced by the last player differs significantly, and often amusingly, from the one uttered by the first.
Hi SH,
Indeed
'These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly minded, DEVOID OF THE SPIRIT.”Jude 19JustAskin said:
Quote ALL SENTIENT CREATIONS of God are “SONS” of God.
Chapter and verse please! My Bible says that God never called an angel His son (Heb. 1). “To which of the angels did he ever say, 'You are My son.' “?Therefore, not all sentient beings are sons of God. Back it up or s___ up!
KJ
Kathi said:
Quote trinitarians: the son was begotten of God before the ages and thus, the same nature as God. They say that He was generated from the eternal God.
They believed that Jesus was eternally generated kind of like the sun when it generates rays. The rays of the sun have existed as long as the sun itself.I don't agree but am just trying to show that trinitarians have NEVER believed that Jesus came after God any more then the sun's rays came after the sun.
the Roo
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 20 2010,03:13) The truth is “The Word was with God and was God”.
Arius had it spot on WJ. But I understand there was some commotion about whether Arius believed the Son to be divine at all. That's where he lost the support of Eusebius (and me, if those reports were true). Eusebius believed that while the Son was caused to exist by the Father, the Son was indeed divine as a result. He became convinced that Arius did NOT believe the Son to be divine. Therefore, he switched camps and went with what he thought was the lessor of two evils.ps Please stop posting that untrue translation of John 1:1.
The Word was with THE God, and the Word was [a] god.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2010,14:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 20 2010,03:13) The truth is “The Word was with God and was God”.
Arius had it spot on WJ. But I understand there was some commotion about whether Arius believed the Son to be divine at all. That's where he lost the support of Eusebius (and me, if those reports were true). Eusebius believed that while the Son was caused to exist by the Father, the Son was indeed divine as a result. He became convinced that Arius did NOT believe the Son to be divine. Therefore, he switched camps and went with what he thought was the lessor of two evils.ps Please stop posting that untrue translation of John 1:1.
The Word was with THE God, and the Word was [a] god.
mike
So Mike, you're right and everyone who believes differently is wrong? Congratulations.Jack, Jack, Jack,
What gives?
Do you still see JustAskin posting without Scriptural backing.Yes, I presumed the Scripture verses were obvious to those who claim to be Scriptural experts (The majority on this site!!)
So what need was there fore quotes. You already know them, don't you? Should I be teaching you, like a granny, to suck eggs?
Jack, you ask me to show Scripture or shut up? Why did you say that. Did you think you were being 'authorative' by being so terse?
And what will you say when I show Scripture? Ignore them? State that they don't count? Post one of your distateful icony personifications of yourself?Well, whatever.
Try Genesis 6:2 & 4.
And what of Job 1:6, 2:1.
Gen… God created man in his likeness. He created a 'fleshly Son' in his image. And Man begot a Son in his own likeness. As 'The God' created, so the 'god' he created in His image ceeated also in his own image. Son of God as man, Son of Man from Son of God.
Is the problem that you think of 'Son' as of a human Son?
That is earthly thinking. God looks upon the 'Spirit'. So Son is in the Spirit. And what is the Spirit of God is the spirit of the Son.
So, if that one walks in the spirit of God then that one is also a Son of God.
You quote Hebrews, or similar, but do not understand what you quote.
Those quotes are a declaration of the achievement of Christ that he has shown true Sonship. And God is declaring His true Fathership.
No, to no other 'angel' did he say those things, but then no other angel achieved what Jesus Christ achieved.Does Scriptures not also state that those who persevere will become 'begotten of God', Sons of God, and as Sons, brothers of Christ, and as brothers of Christ, Heirs with him, princes of God in the kingdom of God.
We have done this before…but you still need to have it re-iterated, why?
Do you think JustAskin is going to change Scriptures to suit your impossible trinitarian thinking?Should I put you under oath to the Holy Spirit? I think it would do no good for you are not in fear of God.
Sad, so sad.JustAskin said:
Quote Try Genesis 6:2 & 4. And what of Job 1:6, 2:1.
JA,The “sons of God” in the verses you give were the godly line of Seth. Genesis 6 says that they married women and had children. Can spirit beings have sex with women?
When they sinned by their unholy marriage God said, “My Spirit shall not always strive with MAN.” So the sons of God were MEN. Where do you find angels mentioned in those verses?
Again, chapter and verse please! Show where angels are specifically mentioned and called sons of God.
KJ
Jack,
You been on the internet… That is the worst place to find proof.
It also shows that you cannot use the Scriptures to make your point but to the “Mouthpiece of the Dragon”
God told man to be fruitful and to fill the earth. Why would he be against the line of Seth, who was held as wholly, taking women as wives (Having sexual intercourse) and having children by them when that was His command.
It is clear that the 'Sons of God' are angels who made human bodies for themselves and put their spirit into those bodies to animate them.
Angels can create flesh and blood bodies but cannot put an independent spirit into it as God can, so they put their own spirit into it.
Their offspring (pity the women, many must have died in childbirth…) were mighty in power because angels are mighty in power,… but not authority..
When God brought the flood, only the fleshly human bodies were killed off. The spirits returned to heaven, then cast into bondage, until the judgement day.
This is mimicked by the story in the new testament of the 'strong man' who's body was occupied by 'Legion' and the spirits went into the pigs and the 'pigs perished' but the spirits went to bondage…until the judgement.
Jack, you understand all these things. There is no shame in being wrong.
The shame us in being unable to admit when you are wrong. To try to bring frivolry in an attempt to 'cover'. Why? Do you believe you look clever?
I once saw a little child who came to his mother in the kitchen and said, 'mommy, i bet you can't guess what I have behind my back?'
The mother turned round from washing the dishes and saw a wooden ruler sticking up from his hand behind his back.
Being a not very 'intelligent' mother in these matters, she immediately said, 'its a ruler'.The child was cut up, because, to him, if he couldn't see the what was behind him then no one else could, either. So howdid she know?
Well, he would not be beaten…
'No,' he replied, 'it's a sword' and he pulled it round and waved it about as if battling some unseen dragon creature.Yes, the mind of a child who's truth is only as far as his imagination takes him, but for all that it is not even grounded in reality.
Jack, that is how I see you.Grow up and hold your imagination to truth. Call 'a rule' 'a rule' and you will do well.
JustAskin said;
Quote Why would he be against the line of Seth, who was held as wholly, taking women as wives (Having sexual intercourse) and having children by them when that was His command. JA,
God was not against the line of Seth. He was against their marrying the daughters of Cain because Christ was ordained to come through a pure line.
The sons of God (Sethites) intermarried with the daughters of men (Cainites) and it was an unholy union. So God had to destroy them and their progeny in the flood and start over again with Noah's family (Sethites).
Can spirit beings have sex with women? Where in scripture are angels specifically called sons of God?
KJ
Jack,
I, even I, forgive your ignorance.If there be another who will support this forgiveness, and it is in Jesus' name, then that forgiveness will be granted to you.
Tell me. What did you get your theology scholarship in? Scriptures or Stupidity?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 19 2010,20:37) The Word was with THE God, and the Word was [a] god. ps Please stop posting that untrue translation of John 1:1.
MikeDo you see that little [a] that was added to the text by the lonely little polytheistic corrupted version, the NWT!
When you can show me another verse where the Translators put an [a] in front of the word “Theos” (God) then you might have a point.
WJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 19 2010,18:18) JustAskin said: Quote ALL SENTIENT CREATIONS of God are “SONS” of God.
Chapter and verse please! My Bible says that God never called an angel His son (Heb. 1). “To which of the angels did he ever say, 'You are My son.' “?Therefore, not all sentient beings are sons of God. Back it up or s___ up!
KJ
JackTrue
WJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 21 2010,03:05) JustAskin said; Quote Why would he be against the line of Seth, who was held as wholly, taking women as wives (Having sexual intercourse) and having children by them when that was His command. JA,
God was not against the line of Seth. He was against their marrying the daughters of Cain because Christ was ordained to come through a pure line.
The sons of God (Sethites) intermarried with the daughters of men (Cainites) and it was an unholy union. So God had to destroy them and their progeny in the flood and start over again with Noah's family (Sethites).
Can spirit beings have sex with women? Where in scripture are angels specifically called sons of God?
KJ
Hi Jack,Explain how that would make their offspring Giants? (Gen.6:4)
Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2010,05:14) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 21 2010,03:05) JustAskin said; Quote Why would he be against the line of Seth, who was held as wholly, taking women as wives (Having sexual intercourse) and having children by them when that was His command. JA,
God was not against the line of Seth. He was against their marrying the daughters of Cain because Christ was ordained to come through a pure line.
The sons of God (Sethites) intermarried with the daughters of men (Cainites) and it was an unholy union. So God had to destroy them and their progeny in the flood and start over again with Noah's family (Sethites).
Can spirit beings have sex with women? Where in scripture are angels specifically called sons of God?
KJ
Hi Jack,Explain how that would make their offspring Giants? (Gen.6:4)
ED J,I can't believe you have adopted that ancient and erroneous interpretation. The Hebrew “nephilim” simply means “renowned” like when we say “giants of the faith.”
The flood left us the fossil record. Why are there no fossils of giant men ED?
Christ was to come through the line of Seth (sons of God). But they found themselves attracted to the daughters of men (Cain's daughters). The word “men” was being used by Moses in a deragatory manner. This was an unholy marriage so God had to destroy them and their offspring and start again with Noah and his family so Christ could come in the pure line of Seth.
God's response to the unholy marriage was, “My Spirit shall not always strive with man for he too is flesh.” God said that the guilty beings were “man” and “flesh.” Angels don't have the equipment to procreate dude! Try to be sensible here and not give guys like Stu more reason to laugh at us.
KJ
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