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Nick: I can't tell where you are wanting to go with this hades thing. I agree with Jesus, let the dead bury the dead. I will seek life and peace in Christ. Bless you, TK
Quote (banana @ Nov. 26 2009,06:10) Nick Are animals enlivened by spirit too? they are after all souls too.
Georg
Do they breathe? Then they are a living soul.Soul = Life
Now for the Spirit of animals, do they think? Do they have emotion? Can they feel love and give love in return? Then they are Spirit as well.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 26 2009,02:21) Nick: I can't tell where you are wanting to go with this hades thing. I agree with Jesus, let the dead bury the dead. I will seek life and peace in Christ. Bless you, TK
Hades is nothing more than the grave, or eternal death for those without life.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 27 2009,06:20) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 26 2009,02:21) Nick: I can't tell where you are wanting to go with this hades thing. I agree with Jesus, let the dead bury the dead. I will seek life and peace in Christ. Bless you, TK
Hades is nothing more than the grave, or eternal death for those without life.
Hi CON,
You argue with Jesus in Lk16?Hi CON,
Where does scripture say all thinking and emotion and love comes from the spirit of the man or the beast?Nick……….A soul (IS) a body + spirit= Soul, no need to complicate it. Spirit Is (INTELLECT) added into a Body. Which creates a living soul. IMO.
gene
G,
So what happens to this soul when the body rots and the spirit returns to God?
It does not exist?
If so how can something that does not exist be resurrected and face judgement?Nick
You apparently can't let go of the idea that “soul” is something spirit. When God breathed into the nostrils of Adam, he gave him life, nothing more; Adam became a living soul/being. Animals, birds, fish, are all living beings/souls. The difference with man is as Paul says, “there is a spirit in man”, this spirit is our mind, animals don't have a mind, and yet Ecc. ask the question, who knows if the “spirit” of man goes up, and the “spirit” of beast goes down at death?
When you die, you cease to exist, its just that simple.
When Jesus became a man, did he not know were he came from? did he not know why he was here? did he not know who his Father was? how did he know all these things?
Jesus had taken on a new body, flesh, but he had the same mind/spirit that he had as a spirit being. When a man dies the body will decay, but not his mind/spirit; but this mind/spirit is not conscious of it self without the body; God will preserve it until the resurrection during the millennium, you will receive a new flesh body, but your mind/spirit will be the same; if at that time you should die again, your mind/spirit will be destroyed as well for ever.Georg
JOB 19:25-27 For I know [that] my redeemer liveth, and [that] he shall stand at the latter [day] upon the earth: And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see 'elohim: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; [though] my reins be consumed within me.
PSALM 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
1CORINTHIANS 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
PHILIMON 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1JOHN 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of 'elohim, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
REVELATION 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Quote Even though my body will be dust I shall be resurrected, nothing is beyond the power of 'elohim! Hi Georg,
Soul is not spirit.
The word of God can discern between the two.
By the breath of God we become LIVING SOULS not dead ones.And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity.
Leviticus 7:17-19Nick……….Produce scripture that prove what you claim , i have yet to see any. A soul is simply a Body with Spirit in it, as Georg and i also brought out. Jesus did not say GOD would destory Body, Spirit and Soul , did he. No just body and Soul, could be destroyed in the grave. When we die we parish we have no more memory of anything, (for when a man dies his thoughts parish). If GOD did not give us new bodies and add spirit back into them we would never again exist. Your false teaching of a person containing a BODY and SOUL and SPIRIT> Has (NO) Scriptural base. A living SOUL contains a BODY AND SPIRIT, that is what makes it a living Soul. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene @ Dec. 05 2009,09:10) Nick……….Produce scripture that prove what you claim , i have yet to see any. A soul is simply a Body with Spirit in it, as Georg and i also brought out. Jesus did not say GOD would destory Body, Spirit and Soul , did he. No just body and Soul, could be destroyed in the grave. When we die we parish we have no more memory of anything, (for when a man dies his thoughts parish). If GOD did not give us new bodies and add spirit back into them we would never again exist. Your false teaching of a person containing a BODY and SOUL and SPIRIT> Has (NO) Scriptural base. A living SOUL contains a BODY AND SPIRIT, that is what makes it a living Soul. IMO gene
So you agree that Jesus did not go into hell and teach anyone when he was dead(according to the scriptures)right?Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,12:17) Quote (Gene @ Dec. 05 2009,09:10) Nick……….Produce scripture that prove what you claim , i have yet to see any. A soul is simply a Body with Spirit in it, as Georg and i also brought out. Jesus did not say GOD would destory Body, Spirit and Soul , did he. No just body and Soul, could be destroyed in the grave. When we die we parish we have no more memory of anything, (for when a man dies his thoughts parish). If GOD did not give us new bodies and add spirit back into them we would never again exist. Your false teaching of a person containing a BODY and SOUL and SPIRIT> Has (NO) Scriptural base. A living SOUL contains a BODY AND SPIRIT, that is what makes it a living Soul. IMO gene
So you agree that Jesus did not go into hell and teach anyone when he was dead(according to the scriptures)right?
bodWhere does it say Jesus taught any one while he was in hell/grave? show me the scripture.
Georg
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