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Quote (georg @ Nov. 05 2009,01:59) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,20:33) Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 04 2009,17:38) Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
Yes princess of the king, Jesus was a wise man:Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Do you even realize that if you want to keep the Old Covenant Law, that you are in debt to keep the whole Law?
That means you have to keep all of the Feasts to the Lord.
Unleavened Bread is one. Now you have to get all the leaven out of your House. Don't forget to clean your toaster and your Mattress, your closets, Empty all your Coat pockets, you might have a crumb in there. Then there is the Feast of Tabernacle. You have to take up other Housing in another City, you can't stay Home. And then you have to keep the
Passover, and the Day of Atonement. Did I miss anything. Oh, don't forget for Passover you need to get a new set of Dishes and China. You can't use the old set. Why, because it had leavened in it, when you used it. I probably missed something. Just look it all up in Leviticus.
Have fun now,
Peace and Love Irene
I keep:Yom Teruah, Sefirat Ha'Omer, Hag Ha-Shavuoth, Hag HaMatzot, Hol HaMo'ed, Mikra Kodesh.
Why do you have a problem with leavened and un-leavened? We certainly don't. It is only a burden if you make it one. It is probably more of a burden for you to put on your make-up every morning, than it is to glorify God.
November 5, 2009 at 10:49 am#155079Tim KraftParticipantFor all that will be born anew in their understanding, Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets. The law and the prophets prophesied until John. Matt 11:13—The law was added until the seed should come (Jesus)Gal 3:19— Jesus is the sabbath day. This is the day of the lord. Jesus is the fulfillment of all that was written. Jesus said take my yoke(requirements) upon you, my burden is lite. Enter into my rest that I provide for whosoever will believe. Jesus is the eternal rest of God. No more works for purification. What the law could never do, Jesus did. By faith in what Jesus did we are sanctified(John17:17), clean(John 15:3) and ordained(John15:16) but only by faith apart from the law which could not perfect a person. If we REST in the finished work of Jesus by faith we are made perfect.
One can follow any law he wants to follow and do anything he wants but he can only be perfect unto God by faith in Christ Jesus. This is the sabbath rest of the lord. Every day all time!! Bless all, TKNovember 5, 2009 at 11:05 am#155081ConstitutionalistParticipantQuote (georg @ Nov. 05 2009,01:59) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,20:33) Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 04 2009,17:38) Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
Yes princess of the king, Jesus was a wise man:Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Do you even realize that if you want to keep the Old Covenant Law, that you are in debt to keep the whole Law?
That means you have to keep all of the Feasts to the Lord.
Unleavened Bread is one. Now you have to get all the leaven out of your House. Don't forget to clean your toaster and your Mattress, your closets, Empty all your Coat pockets, you might have a crumb in there. Then there is the Feast of Tabernacle. You have to take up other Housing in another City, you can't stay Home. And then you have to keep the
Passover, and the Day of Atonement. Did I miss anything. Oh, don't forget for Passover you need to get a new set of Dishes and China. You can't use the old set. Why, because it had leavened in it, when you used it. I probably missed something. Just look it all up in Leviticus.
Have fun now,
Peace and Love Irene
I also find it odd, that you do not know much of the Jewish sects. You keep trying to label me as a Pharisee, which is ignorant. There were two main branches during the time of Jesus.1) Pharisitical, Rabbinites
2) Ancient Israelites, Boethusians, Karaites, and Saducees
Note: Ancient Israelites include groups like Essenes, Nazarenes, etc..
Jesus was most likely from group #2.
Pharisees only make up the Rabbinic Jews, the Saducees eventually broke away from group #2 when they joined in with the Pharisees to go after Jesus.
Karaites have never been Pharisitical, because of their Mishnah and Talmud (Oral Traditions and Man Made Laws). the Pharisees have always looked at group #2 as heretical.
It is sad you see ALL Jews as Pharisees.
November 5, 2009 at 11:06 am#155082ConstitutionalistParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 05 2009,02:49) For all that will be born anew in their understanding, Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets. The law and the prophets prophesied until John. Matt 11:13—The law was added until the seed should come (Jesus)Gal 3:19— Jesus is the sabbath day. This is the day of the lord. Jesus is the fulfillment of all that was written. Jesus said take my yoke(requirements) upon you, my burden is lite. Enter into my rest that I provide for whosoever will believe. Jesus is the eternal rest of God. No more works for purification. What the law could never do, Jesus did. By faith in what Jesus did we are sanctified(John17:17), clean(John 15:3) and ordained(John15:16) but only by faith apart from the law which could not perfect a person. If we REST in the finished work of Jesus by faith we are made perfect.
One can follow any law he wants to follow and do anything he wants but he can only be perfect unto God by faith in Christ Jesus. This is the sabbath rest of the lord. Every day all time!! Bless all, TK
And?November 5, 2009 at 12:03 pm#155090georgParticipantQuote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,22:05) Quote (georg @ Nov. 05 2009,01:59) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,20:33) Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 04 2009,17:38) Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
Yes princess of the king, Jesus was a wise man:Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Do you even realize that if you want to keep the Old Covenant Law, that you are in debt to keep the whole Law?
That means you have to keep all of the Feasts to the Lord.
Unleavened Bread is one. Now you have to get all the leaven out of your House. Don't forget to clean your toaster and your Mattress, your closets, Empty all your Coat pockets, you might have a crumb in there. Then there is the Feast of Tabernacle. You have to take up other Housing in another City, you can't stay Home. And then you have to keep the
Passover, and the Day of Atonement. Did I miss anything. Oh, don't forget for Passover you need to get a new set of Dishes and China. You can't use the old set. Why, because it had leavened in it, when you used it. I probably missed something. Just look it all up in Leviticus.
Have fun now,
Peace and Love Irene
I also find it odd, that you do not know much of the Jewish sects. You keep trying to label me as a Pharisee, which is ignorant. There were two main branches during the time of Jesus.1) Pharisitical, Rabbinites
2) Ancient Israelites, Boethusians, Karaites, and Saducees
Note: Ancient Israelites include groups like Essenes, Nazarenes, etc..
Jesus was most likely from group #2.
Pharisees only make up the Rabbinic Jews, the Saducees eventually broke away from group #2 when they joined in with the Pharisees to go after Jesus.
Karaites have never been Pharisitical, because of their Mishnah and Talmud (Oral Traditions and Man Made Laws). the Pharisees have always looked at group #2 as heretical.
It is sad you see ALL Jews as Pharisees.
You right as far that I don't know about he Jewish ways. I am not a Jew. What I gave you were the Holy Days of God. I' m surprised that you did not recognize that. The Feast are listed in Lev. 23 starting in verse 1. We did all of that in theW.W.Church of God. So i know all about hat. But not what the Jewish people do. Before each Feast we kept the Annual Sabbath. Except the Passover it usually came during the Week. The Feast of Trumpet was another Feast. It has been 15 years ago and I don't remember them all. Cleaning the House of all leavened was fun, I liked it my Husband always helped then, to make sure it got all clean of leaven.
I do must say how ironic it is that God's Feasts are beig ignored.
IreneNovember 5, 2009 at 12:05 pm#155091georgParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 05 2009,21:49) For all that will be born anew in their understanding, Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets. The law and the prophets prophesied until John. Matt 11:13—The law was added until the seed should come (Jesus)Gal 3:19— Jesus is the sabbath day. This is the day of the lord. Jesus is the fulfillment of all that was written. Jesus said take my yoke(requirements) upon you, my burden is lite. Enter into my rest that I provide for whosoever will believe. Jesus is the eternal rest of God. No more works for purification. What the law could never do, Jesus did. By faith in what Jesus did we are sanctified(John17:17), clean(John 15:3) and ordained(John15:16) but only by faith apart from the law which could not perfect a person. If we REST in the finished work of Jesus by faith we are made perfect.
One can follow any law he wants to follow and do anything he wants but he can only be perfect unto God by faith in Christ Jesus. This is the sabbath rest of the lord. Every day all time!! Bless all, TK
Good post, and that is what my Husband and I do today. od in His mercy has shown us. I am forever thankful to Him.
Peace and Love IreneNovember 5, 2009 at 12:27 pm#155093ConstitutionalistParticipantQuote (georg @ Nov. 05 2009,04:03) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,22:05) Quote (georg @ Nov. 05 2009,01:59) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,20:33) Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 04 2009,17:38) Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
Yes princess of the king, Jesus was a wise man:Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Do you even realize that if you want to keep the Old Covenant Law, that you are in debt to keep the whole Law?
That means you have to keep all of the Feasts to the Lord.
Unleavened Bread is one. Now you have to get all the leaven out of your House. Don't forget to clean your toaster and your Mattress, your closets, Empty all your Coat pockets, you might have a crumb in there. Then there is the Feast of Tabernacle. You have to take up other Housing in another City, you can't stay Home. And then you have to keep the
Passover, and the Day of Atonement. Did I miss anything. Oh, don't forget for Passover you need to get a new set of Dishes and China. You can't use the old set. Why, because it had leavened in it, when you used it. I probably missed something. Just look it all up in Leviticus.
Have fun now,
Peace and Love Irene
I also find it odd, that you do not know much of the Jewish sects. You keep trying to label me as a Pharisee, which is ignorant. There were two main branches during the time of Jesus.1) Pharisitical, Rabbinites
2) Ancient Israelites, Boethusians, Karaites, and Saducees
Note: Ancient Israelites include groups like Essenes, Nazarenes, etc..
Jesus was most likely from group #2.
Pharisees only make up the Rabbinic Jews, the Saducees eventually broke away from group #2 when they joined in with the Pharisees to go after Jesus.
Karaites have never been Pharisitical, because of their Mishnah and Talmud (Oral Traditions and Man Made Laws). the Pharisees have always looked at group #2 as heretical.
It is sad you see ALL Jews as Pharisees.
You right as far that I don't know about he Jewish ways. I am not a Jew. What I gave you were the Holy Days of God. I' m surprised that you did not recognize that. The Feast are listed in Lev. 23 starting in verse 1. We did all of that in theW.W.Church of God. So i know all about hat. But not what the Jewish people do. Before each Feast we kept the Annual Sabbath. Except the Passover it usually came during the Week. The Feast of Trumpet was another Feast. It has been 15 years ago and I don't remember them all. Cleaning the House of all leavened was fun, I liked it my Husband always helped then, to make sure it got all clean of leaven.
I do must say how ironic it is that God's Feasts are beig ignored.
Irene
I did recognize them, see my post: Posted: Nov. 05 2009,02:38.Quote I keep: Yom Teruah, Sefirat Ha'Omer, Hag Ha-Shavuoth, Hag HaMatzot, Hol HaMo'ed, Mikra Kodesh.
Why do you have a problem with leavened and un-leavened? We certainly don't. It is only a burden if you make it one. It is probably more of a burden for you to put on your make-up every morning, than it is to glorify God.
November 5, 2009 at 3:43 pm#155103Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,07:27) I keep: Yom Teruah, Sefirat Ha'Omer, Hag Ha-Shavuoth, Hag HaMatzot, Hol HaMo'ed, Mikra Kodesh.
Why do you have a problem with leavened and un-leavened? We certainly don't. It is only a burden if you make it one. It is probably more of a burden for you to put on your make-up every morning, than it is to glorify God.
Do you think that being under the law glorifys God?Now we understand why you are wishing to bring others under the law, because in keeping those feast you are under the law and wish to share your bondage to it with others!
But now that you know God–or rather are known by God–how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? “You are observing special days and months and seasons and years“! fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you. Gal 4:9-11
WJ
November 5, 2009 at 4:38 pm#155109GeneBalthropParticipantWJ………want to ask you , do you think the sabbath is not important to a Christian today? I am not talking in a (physical ) since, but a spiritual one. Do you see how it shows how the salvation process works or not? Just interested in you opinion.
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
November 5, 2009 at 4:43 pm#155110Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Gene @ Nov. 05 2009,11:38) WJ………want to ask you , do you think the sabbath is not important to a Christian today? I am not talking in a (physical ) since, but a spiritual one. Do you see how it shows how the salvation process works or not? Just interested in you opinion. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
GeneThe Sabbath rest for the people of God is in Jesus.
When we are in Christ we serve the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and have ceased from our own works.
The Sabbath rest for the people of God is spiritually fulfilled in our rest in Christ just as all the other ordinances of the Old!
WJ
November 5, 2009 at 5:56 pm#155126georgParticipantQuote (Gene @ Nov. 06 2009,03:38) WJ………want to ask you , do you think the sabbath is not important to a Christian today? I am not talking in a (physical ) since, but a spiritual one. Do you see how it shows how the salvation process works or not? Just interested in you opinion. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Gene The Sabbath was never for us, It is a sign between the children of Israel and God.
Exodus 31:16-17
Gene I have written all this to you before, why don't you believe these Scriptures?
Open your mind and Heart to Jesus, that is were it is at. Grace by Faith.
Ehephsins 2:8-9
IreneNovember 6, 2009 at 5:06 am#155222GeneBalthropParticipantIrene………Jesus said the Sabbath was made for (MAN) not Israel only.. Hebrews also says there remains a sabbath rest unto the people of GOD. If you could see the (SPRITUAL) reason for that then you would understand the importance of the Sabbath on a spiritual level (not talking about a 24Hr period of time once a week ) but a eternal principle that shows the salvation process for all of man kind.
IMOpeace and love………………….gene
November 6, 2009 at 5:13 am#155223GeneBalthropParticipantWJ…….. would like you to clarify something where dies it say our sabbath rest in in Jesus. I know it say we that believe have entered into that rest, but where does is say that this rest is in Jesus, I also know where it say come unto me all you who are weary and laden and you will find rest for your souls, take upon you my yoke , because my load is light. I see that as we need to take on the same Yoke as Jesus takes on,and put it on also. Just curious on how you feel Jesus is our sabbath. IMO
peace and love…………….gene
November 6, 2009 at 6:45 am#155238georgParticipantQuote (Gene @ Nov. 06 2009,16:06) Irene………Jesus said the Sabbath was made for (MAN) not Israel only.. Hebrews also says there remains a sabbath rest unto the people of GOD. If you could see the (SPRITUAL) reason for that then you would understand the importance of the Sabbath on a spiritual level (not talking about a 24Hr period of time once a week ) but a eternal principle that shows the salvation process for all of man kind.
IMOpeace and love………………….gene
The problem wit what you are saying is that you don't read what it says. The Sabbath is a sign between Me and Israel……..Period This is the last time I am saying something about, because there's no sense in repeating it over and over again. Also you don't seem to understand that if yo want to keep the Old Law you have to keep the whole Law listed in Lev. 23
Peace and Love IreneNovember 6, 2009 at 7:17 am#155240kerwinParticipantIrene wrote:
Quote Also you don't seem to understand that if yo want to keep the Old Law you have to keep the whole Law listed in Lev. 23
If you live by the Spirit then you are able to keep the whole Law.
You could even keep it without the Spirit since it had allowance for those who trespassed against its statues written in it.
Never the less if you live by the Spirit then you will not trespass against its statues.
November 6, 2009 at 7:29 am#155241ConstitutionalistParticipantThe Sabbath Rest Was It Fulfilled By Messiah?
A common teaching among Christians today is that “Jesus is our Sabbath rest.”
From this premise it is concluded that a literal keeping of the seventh day Sabbath is not necessary.
Let me begin by clearly stating that true Sabbath observance is not a work that is done in the flesh in order to be justified or saved.
It is a work done through the leading of the Holy Spirit because a person has already been justified or saved.
Sabbath keeping, as well as obedience to all of Almighty Yahweh's New Covenant commandments, is a fruit of our salvation or justification.
Obedience to the commandments are good works that we have been created to walk in (Eph.2:10).
Sabbath keepers firmly believe all Ten Commandments are written on our hearts as part of the New Covenant spoken of by Jeremiah (31:33).
Hebrews chapter 4 and the “true rest of the soul.”
The original account from which Hebrews 4:1-11 is taken is found in Numbers 14:22-24, 28-30, and Deuteronomy 1:30-40.
In both passages it was the “land” (of Canaan) that was being withheld because of unbelief.
The children of Israel were on their wilderness journey to the “promised land,” which was a type of the “rest” to come.
Joshua brought them into that land or the typical “rest” (Josh 1:13-15; 21:44; 22:4), yet the Almighty again spoke through David concerning this greater rest.
In Psalm 95:11, David uses the phrase “my rest” instead of “the land” as in the original promise.
Why?
Because “the land” was only a type of the future rest to come when true believers enter into the true promised land, the “heavenly country” that the patriarchs of old saw from afar (Heb 11:13-16).
We are currently on our wilderness journey as well.
We are heading for the heavenly country promised us.
Just as the Israelites continued keeping the Sabbath rest throughout their wilderness journey, so, too, must we continue to keep the Sabbath rest.
In fact, the Israelites continued to keep the Sabbath even after entering the typical promised land of Canaan.
We, too, will continue in the Sabbath rest as prophesied by Isaiah (66:22,23) even after the new heaven and new earth come.
If the common Christian view of Heb 4:10 is correct, that the Sabbath is abolished because we have entered the true rest, then, to be consistent, it must also be true that all work is abolished since we have ceased from our own works.
In other words, if the physical rest is done away with, then the physical labor should also be done away with.
However, since believers continue to do physical labors like farming, construction work, etc., they should also continue to rest from such labor as it is written.
Additionally, the Sabbath rest is commanded for the sake of animals as well.
Is it now permissible for farmers to work their animals seven days a week?
Do animals somehow enter into the true rest as well?
Hebrews 4:11 talks about laboring to enter into that rest.
It is not something we automatically receive upon accepting Yahshua as our Savior except by faith.
That rest will become a reality upon our resurrection unto eternal life.
That is why we see the saints of Revelation 14:12,13 laboring right up until death.
It is only after death that the ultimate rest can literally begin. Note, also, that those saints “keep the commandments of God” (KJV), among which is the Sabbath.
We certainly can find rest for our souls in Messiah (Matthew 11:28,29), but he does not give our bodies rest, nor does he give animals rest. T
hat kind of rest is only available through the Sabbath rest. Jeremiah 6:16 reads, “Thus saith Yahweh, 'Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.'
But they said, 'We will not walk therein.' ” The “old paths” and the “good way” that provides a “rest for the soul” includes the keeping of Yahweh's Sabbaths.
Notice the similar wording found in Isaiah 58:12,13.
The rest we have in Yahshua is only a foretaste of the rest to come at his second coming when we will be dwelling in the presence of the Father and the Son in the glorious “heavenly country”.
Deuteronomy 5:15 reads, “And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that Yahweh thy Elohim brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore Yahweh thy Elohim commanded thee to keep the Sabbath day.”
It is then said that this verse shows, “the very type and shadow of our deliverance from sin and bondage into the glorious rest of Christ our Sabbath by faith.”
This is true.
However, notice the keeping of the Sabbath rest followed the Israelite redemption from slavery and bondage.
How much more should we keep the Sabbath with joy overflowing after our greater redemption from sin and death?
Why?
Because every time we keep the Sabbath holy; we remember and proclaim who it is that provided this great deliverance for us (Deut 5:15); we remember and proclaim who it is that sanctifies us (Ex 31:13); we remember and proclaim who it is that created us and all things (Ex 20:11); and we delight in both the Sabbath and Yahweh Himself, and honor Yahweh by doing His will and good pleasure (Is 58:13,14).
The Sabbath is truly holy, sanctified, blessed, delightful, and honorable.
Most people who reject the Sabbath and Law saying they are fulfilled in Messiah and therefore abolished will readily admit that they are not free to steal, dishonor parents, commit adultery, covet, etc.
They will endeavor to keep from transgressing the other nine commandments, yet they refuse to keep the fourth commandment.
Most Sabbath opponents will not: commit beastiality; get tattooed; have relations with close relatives; use unjust weights and measures; charge what they consider usury; etc. So when they say they are “free from the law”, or “not under the law”, etc., they are really trying to justify their supposed freedom from Sabbath-keeping in a most inconsistent manner.
The reality is, we must obey our Heavenly Father's commandments if they are among the laws written on our hearts as part of the New Covenant (Heb 8:8-10).
Not Under the Law:
When the Word says, “we are not under the law”, it means we are not under the oppressive condemnation of death that results from sin, or transgression of the law.
It does not mean we don't have to obey any laws.
The purpose of the law is to point out sin; “By the law is the knowledge of sin”, and “I had not known sin but by the law” (Rom 3:20; 7:7).
Therefore, the only thing that abolishing the law does is to remove that which tells us we are sinning.
So if the commandment to not commit adultery is abolished, we will have no conviction of that sin, for sin is lawlessness (1 Jn 3:4).
If we abolish “Thou shalt not commit adultery”, then adultery can be freely practiced without conviction of sin.
Now we begin treading on very dangerous ground. The same is true of saying the Sabbath is abolished.
Sabbath opponents assuage their conscience with the thought of freedom from the Sabbath, yet the Sabbath remains and they are oblivious to it.
Paul could have easily used the fourth commandment instead of the tenth commandment in his example of Romans 7:7.
Cont . . .
November 6, 2009 at 7:31 am#155243ConstitutionalistParticipantCont . . .
The Law Magnified:
Isaiah said, “Yahweh is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the law and make it honourable” (Is 42:21).
This speaks of a future time in Israel's history, a time which came to fulfillment in Messiah's words in Mt 5:17-48. “Thou shalt not commit adultery” has been magnified to include even the act of looking upon a woman with lust in the heart.
Does this magnified “spirit of the law” cause the letter of the law to be abolished? No.
Even though we are living under the new “ministration of the spirit”, we must continue to obey the letter by not committing the actual act of adultery.
The Old Covenant law said, “Thou shalt not kill (murder).”
The New Covenant law (which is the Old Covenant law magnified and written in our hearts) says to not even be angry with your brother without a cause.
Under this new ministration of the spirit, the letter of the law is still applicable, yet intensified or magnified to include the spiritual intent.
The same is true of the Sabbath.
The letter says to not do any work on the seventh day.
The spiritual intent of the new magnified law written in our hearts says, “. . .call the Sabbath a delight . . . honor (Yahweh) by not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words” (Is 58:13).
The Ministration of the Spirit:
In II Cor 3:1-18, Paul writes of “the ministration of the spirit” and “the ministration of death”.
Paul is speaking of the two covenants; the Old Covenant (the ministration of death and condemnation – verses 7 & 9) and the New Covenant (the ministration of the spirit and righteousness – verses 8 & 9).
Do not be misled in believing Paul is speaking specifically of the Ten Commandments when he says, “the ministration of death, written and engraven on stone.”
He is speaking of the Old Covenant as a whole, including the way in which it was administered.
The Old Covenant was administered by putting to death those who transgressed its law.
The law merely pointed out the transgression.
At that point, a second aspect of the Old Covenant would take over; the condemnation or punishment phase of its administration.
Now, under the New Covenant, the Ten Commandments are written on the fleshly tables of our hearts, rather than on stone.
They still function to point out our transgressions.
Now, however, the new ministration of the spirit takes over in which there is no condemnation.
That aspect of administration is done away, being replaced by grace, mercy, forgiveness, etc.
We are no longer ministers of the letter of the law which kills, but of its spirit which gives life.
How does that work?
Let's use the sixth commandment as an example once again.
The letter say, “Thou shalt not kill (murder).”
What does the spirit of the law say? Perhaps you might say, “Don't even be angry with your brother without a cause.”
Perhaps you might answer another way.
It really doesn't matter.
Whatever the spirit of the law is concerning the sixth commandment, it does not change the fact that we may not murder.
The letter still remains, but we are not to live our lives in fear of the letter of that law.
If we walk in the Spirit and in love, we will automatically fulfill that law and need not be concerned with the letter of it.
The same holds true for all Ten Commandments; the letter of each one remains so that it can carry out its function to point out our sin and get us back on the path of righteousness by driving us to the Savior for forgiveness.
As long as we love Yahweh with all our heart, we will fulfill the first four commandments; and as long as we love our neighbor as ourselves, we will fulfill the last six commandments.
If we transgress any of these commandments, we are not walking in true love.
The Sabbath: Moral or Ceremonial?:
When Paul speaks of “the works of the law written on our hearts”, he is not referring to specific laws or commandments, but rather to eternal principals inherent in the law such as justice, mercy, love, etc., all of which are inherent in the Sabbath commandment.
This brings us to the question of whether or not the Sabbath is moral or ceremonial.
First, who is to say what commandments are moral and which are ceremonial?
If I decide the commandment to baptize new converts is ceremonial, does that give me grounds to abolish baptism?
Just as baptism goes so much deeper than a mere outward physical ceremony, so, too, the Sabbath goes so much deeper than a mere day of rest.
Love is the highest type of morality.
Yahshua said the two greatest commandments were to love Yahweh with all your heart . . . and to love your neighbor as yourself. “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets” (Mt 22:36-40).
Obedience to whatever Yahweh commands is an expression of love; “For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not grievous” (1 Jn 5:3).
So if love of Yahweh and our neighbors is the framework upon which all the law and prophets hang, then love is the underlying reason for every prophecy, every law, every commandment, etc.
Every bit of instruction ever issued by Yahweh has love as its motivational beginning, including the Sabbath.
Obedience to the Sabbath is not only an expression of love towards our Heavenly Father, but His giving of the Sabbath to man is an expression of love and mercy towards man.
In His mercy and love towards us, He knew man would need a day of rest.
He also knew animals would need rest and so He provided it.
When we follow His example of resting on the seventh day, we demonstrate our love and mercy towards those under our control; our sons and daughters, our servants, and our animals (Ex 23:12). (See also Ex 20:11).
Mercy is one of the weightier matters of the law (Mt 23:23).
Mercy is also one of the greatest expressions of love and morality.
Since mercy and love are intrinsically tied into the Sabbath, Yahweh included it among the other nine commandments which are rightly called 'Yahweh's moral law'.
Esteeming Every Day Alike:
Many Sabbath opponents misunderstand Paul's writing to the Romans (14:5). “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”
First, the word “alike” is in italics because it is not in the Greek.
There is nothing wrong with esteeming every day, after all, Yahweh made them all.
If we choose to worship Him seven days a week, so be it and halleluyah!
However, that does not change the fact that as we worship Him every day we must also rest from labor on one day, the Sabbath.
It is a mistake to read the Sabbath into this verse.
Nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned.
Nor can we read any of Yahweh's annual sabbaths or feast days into this verse.
There were many other “days” that the Jews highly esteemed besides the Sabbath and feasts.
For example, most Jews at that time fasted twice a week (Luke 18:12 and Talmudic writings).
The Jews also kept fast days throughout the year as mentioned in Zech 8:19.
Then there was the Feast of Purim (Esther 9:28), and the Feast of Dedication or Hanukkah (John 10:22).
The Jewish converts would have probably continued esteeming these days whereas the Gentile converts would probably not, especially since they were not commanded by Yahweh to be kept.
However, all men knew the Sabbath was commanded and so there was no question about its observance as seen in such verses as Acts 18:4 and Acts 13:42-44; 14:1.
Although there is undoubtedly much more to be said, the Sabbath is one of our Heavenly F
ather's greatest blessings to mankind, to those who would embrace it out of love for and obedience to Him.My prayer is that you will not forget His Sabbath despite His commandment to “remember” it in Exodus 20:8.
Harden not your heart in unbelief and accept the blessing of the Sabbath rest for it is truly a delight.
Let us enjoy the rest we have in our Savior Yahshua as well as the rest we have been given every seventh day.
November 6, 2009 at 7:32 am#155244ConstitutionalistParticipantQuote (kerwin @ Nov. 05 2009,23:17) Irene wrote: Quote Also you don't seem to understand that if yo want to keep the Old Law you have to keep the whole Law listed in Lev. 23
If you live by the Spirit then you are able to keep the whole Law.
You could even keep it without the Spirit since it had allowance for those who trespassed against its statues written in it.
Never the less if you live by the Spirit then you will not trespass against its statues.
I couldn't have said it any better.November 6, 2009 at 7:33 am#155246NickHassanParticipantHi CON,
So when we enter into the Sabbath rest of Christ and desist from our own works Christ is able to use our vessels for His purposes.
So long as we continue to strive and strain to please God by works we waste His time.
We do need to move aside from the throne.The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God[Rom8]
November 6, 2009 at 7:33 am#155247ConstitutionalistParticipantPosted: Nov. 05 2009,23:29 and;
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