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Quote (RokkaMan @ Nov. 04 2009,03:00) The law is written in reference to works not faith. Everyman is rewarded in heaven or condemned in hell based on his works…
His place of choosing is based on his faith in Jesus Christ and The Father.
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If you keep the sabbath you will be rewarded for it in heaven, or your punishment in hell will not be as bad as some others.If you do not keep the sabbath…there will be no “sabbath reward” in heaven…and in hell it'll be counted against you.
This is my belief…
Remebe in revelations, the center court is reserved for Jews…the outer court is for the gentiles.
This shows that even in the new earth, God will seperate Jew from Gentile.
There has to be a reason why there is still a segregation…and I think the laws define what that reason is.
Did you even read what Covenant we are under? If you believe that we are under the Old Covenat, you will have to keep the whole Law.
Galatians 5:3
Read Galatians 4:23-25
I keep te New Covenant in jesus Christ's Blood.
Luke 22:20
Jesus also magnified the Law on the Sermon on the Mount,and also gives us the great Commandment.
Math. 22:37-40
The Old Covenant was for the children ogf Israel.
Exodus 31:16
Therfore the childre of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throuthout their generation as a perpetual covenant.
verse 17
It is sign between Me and the Children of Israel forever…
Exodus 34:27
“The LORD said to Mses, “Write tese words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and Israel.”
verse 28 So He was there with the LOR forty nights and forty days, He neitherate bread or drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words OF THE COVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
Not to many really see what we are acually under. It is not the Old Covenant, but the New in Jesus Blood.
Luke 22:20
Also were is hell? We have a Lake of Fire!!!
Hell is a hole in the ground.
You can look up the trea on hell, it tells you more.
Also we are under grace, wchich you say we are not.
You show no Scriptureto tell me that you are right.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and not of yourselves, it is a gift from God.
verse 9
not of works lest anyone should boast.
verse10 For we are His workmanship in Christ Jesusfor good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Your reasonig for keeping the Old covenant is rather vage, so say the least. Whenever you belief something and try to teach others you need to give a Scripture to prove what you are saying. You don't do that.
Peace and Love IrenePeace and Love Irene
IreneIrene………But Jesus said the Sabbath was made for (MAN) not man for the Sabbath, Jesus meant something by that, He meant the sabbath is made for us, nowhere did He say it was done away with, nor did He say the commandments were either in fact he said whoever breaks the lest of these commandments and teaches men to, shall be call least in the kingdom of GOD. I think your getting the word covenants mixed up with the commandments of GOD. A covenant is an agreement between two or more. They agreed to do all that GOD said to do, in exchange for blessings and GOD'S protection. (THEY) broke that covenant (NOT) GOD. No where does it say GOD did away with His commandments, that is a fathers right to command his childern. God the Father has ever right to command us to Keep His commandments by virtue of His Father Hood, He doesn't need any covenant with us. Jesus said to love GOD and Love one another , and said upon these hinges (all) the law and the prophets, If i told you the door is attached by the hinges because it supports the door, does that mean we throw away the door then of course not. The hinges are part of the operation of (the door), it supports the door, if there were no door then there would be no need for the hinges either. None of the commandment of GOD are done away with, they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD in Us, all of them are, including the sabbath rest. Try to view the Sabbath through what it spiritually represents, not a 24hr once a week period of time. But a picture of the way the salvation process works. IMO
peace and love to you and Georg………………………gene
Quote (Gene @ Nov. 04 2009,11:52) Irene………But Jesus said the Sabbath was made for (MAN) not man for the Sabbath, Jesus meant something by that, He meant the sabbath is made for us, nowhere did He say it was done away with, nor did He say the commandments were either in fact he said whoever breaks the lest of these commandments and teaches men to, shall be call least in the kingdom of GOD. I think your getting the word covenants mixed up with the commandments of GOD. A covenant is an agreement between two or more. They agreed to do all that GOD said to do, in exchange for blessings and GOD'S protection. (THEY) broke that covenant (NOT) GOD. No where does it say GOD did away with His commandments, that is a fathers right to command his childern. God the Father has ever right to command us to Keep His commandments by virtue of His Father Hood, He doesn't need any covenant with us. Jesus said to love GOD and Love one another , and said upon these hinges (all) the law and the prophets, If i told you the door is attached by the hinges because it supports the door, does that mean we throw away the door then of course not. The hinges are part of the operation of (the door), it supports the door, if there were no door then there would be no need for the hinges either. None of the commandment of GOD are done away with, they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD in Us, all of them are, including the sabbath rest. Try to view the Sabbath through what it spiritually represents, not a 24hr once a week period of time. But a picture of the way the salvation process works. IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………gene
Good post Gene!May everyone come to the knowledge of the most high.
God bless,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene @ Nov. 04 2009,11:52) Irene………But Jesus said the Sabbath was made for (MAN) not man for the Sabbath, Jesus meant something by that, He meant the sabbath is made for us, nowhere did He say it was done away with, nor did He say the commandments were either in fact he said whoever breaks the lest of these commandments and teaches men to, shall be call least in the kingdom of GOD. I think your getting the word covenants mixed up with the commandments of GOD. A covenant is an agreement between two or more. They agreed to do all that GOD said to do, in exchange for blessings and GOD'S protection. (THEY) broke that covenant (NOT) GOD. No where does it say GOD did away with His commandments, that is a fathers right to command his childern. God the Father has ever right to command us to Keep His commandments by virtue of His Father Hood, He doesn't need any covenant with us. Jesus said to love GOD and Love one another , and said upon these hinges (all) the law and the prophets, If i told you the door is attached by the hinges because it supports the door, does that mean we throw away the door then of course not. The hinges are part of the operation of (the door), it supports the door, if there were no door then there would be no need for the hinges either. None of the commandment of GOD are done away with, they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD in Us, all of them are, including the sabbath rest. Try to view the Sabbath through what it spiritually represents, not a 24hr once a week period of time. But a picture of the way the salvation process works. IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………gene
You need to understand what a covenant is!! Jesus was a Jew and for Him, the Sabbath was a covenant forever. We however are Gentles, not Jewish. For us we are under the new covenant in His Blood.
Luke 22:20
And He gives us the great commandments in
Math. 22:37-40
What exactly did the Old Covenant say?
Exodus 31:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout THEIR GENERATION as a perpetual covenant.
verse 17
It is a sign between Me and the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FOREVER.
That to me is real plain to see. As far as the Commandments are we are to keep them, even in the Spirit too. Jesus magnified the Law, and made it Holy. If you are angry with your Brother, you have committed Murder in your Heart. etc.
Paul also tells us that some esteems one day and the other esteems every day alike. To me everyday is Holy. Why, because we are a Holy Priesthood, and we have God's Holy Spirit, since we are born from above. Or some say born again.
1 Peter 2:5-9
Also we are under grace not the old covenant law.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift from God.
verse 9
not of works lest anyone should boast.
verse 10
For ware His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.Peace and Love Irene
Quote (georg @ Nov. 03 2009,18:27) Quote (Gene @ Nov. 04 2009,11:52) Irene………But Jesus said the Sabbath was made for (MAN) not man for the Sabbath, Jesus meant something by that, He meant the sabbath is made for us, nowhere did He say it was done away with, nor did He say the commandments were either in fact he said whoever breaks the lest of these commandments and teaches men to, shall be call least in the kingdom of GOD. I think your getting the word covenants mixed up with the commandments of GOD. A covenant is an agreement between two or more. They agreed to do all that GOD said to do, in exchange for blessings and GOD'S protection. (THEY) broke that covenant (NOT) GOD. No where does it say GOD did away with His commandments, that is a fathers right to command his childern. God the Father has ever right to command us to Keep His commandments by virtue of His Father Hood, He doesn't need any covenant with us. Jesus said to love GOD and Love one another , and said upon these hinges (all) the law and the prophets, If i told you the door is attached by the hinges because it supports the door, does that mean we throw away the door then of course not. The hinges are part of the operation of (the door), it supports the door, if there were no door then there would be no need for the hinges either. None of the commandment of GOD are done away with, they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD in Us, all of them are, including the sabbath rest. Try to view the Sabbath through what it spiritually represents, not a 24hr once a week period of time. But a picture of the way the salvation process works. IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………gene
You need to understand what a covenant is!! Jesus was a Jew and for Him, the Sabbath was a covenant forever. We however are Gentles, not Jewish. For us we are under the new covenant in His Blood.
Luke 22:20
And He gives us the great commandments in
Math. 22:37-40
What exactly did the Old Covenant say?
Exodus 31:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout THEIR GENERATION as a perpetual covenant.
verse 17
It is a sign between Me and the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FOREVER.
That to me is real plain to see. As far as the Commandments are we are to keep them, even in the Spirit too. Jesus magnified the Law, and made it Holy. If you are angry with your Brother, you have committed Murder in your Heart. etc.
Paul also tells us that some esteems one day and the other esteems every day alike. To me everyday is Holy. Why, because we are a Holy Priesthood, and we have God's Holy Spirit, since we are born from above. Or some say born again.
1 Peter 2:5-9
Also we are under grace not the old covenant law.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift from God.
verse 9
not of works lest anyone should boast.
verse 10
For ware His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Peace and Love IreneQuote [georg, Posted on Nov. 03 2009,18:27] Jesus was a Jew and for Him, the Sabbath was a covenant forever. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Matthew 12:50
Hi CON,
The will of God is that we obey and follow Jesus and not that we become Jews and adopt the laws and rules.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 04 2009,20:03) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Matthew 12:50
CT………Amen to that quote, Jesus was in a Sabbath rest it was the Father doing the work, Jesus shows us what the real sabbath is all about and it is doing Good for all through letting GOD work In US ALWAYS. The Sabbath is the Picture of the Salvation Process and has every right to be in the ten commandments of GOD It is just as important as any of the commandments are. None of GOD'S commandments are done away with they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD including the SABBATH. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,13:35) Hi CON,
The will of God is that we obey and follow Jesus and not that we become Jews and adopt the laws and rules.
Obey what? What is his will?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,10:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,13:35) Hi CON,
The will of God is that we obey and follow Jesus and not that we become Jews and adopt the laws and rules.
Obey what? What is his will?
Read Hs New Covenant.
IreneQuote (georg @ Nov. 04 2009,16:08) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,10:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,13:35) Hi CON,
The will of God is that we obey and follow Jesus and not that we become Jews and adopt the laws and rules.
Obey what? What is his will?
Read Hs New Covenant.
Irene
I read both.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,10:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,13:35) Hi CON,
The will of God is that we obey and follow Jesus and not that we become Jews and adopt the laws and rules.
Obey what? What is his will?
Hi CON,
Left specific instructions and commands to his followers.You must be born again.
Seek first the kingdom.
Love one another.
Follow me…Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 05 2009,12:38) Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
And the second is like it, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets.Quote (Gene @ Nov. 05 2009,14:33) Nick……….Do you even know what the (LAW) of the SPIRIT is or means> Please explain it. gene
Gene In the Old Covenant they kept the Law according to the Letter of the Law.
Now we are keeping the great Commandment also in the Spirit, meaning what Jesus did on the Sermon on the Mount. Like if you hate your Brother in your Heart, you have committed murder in your mind. It is not only by the Letter of the Law, but it is written in your Heart. Jesus magnified that Law and made it Holy. If we love our neighbor we would not do any of those things written in the letter of the Law. Am I making sense to you? I don't think it is easy to understand.
The Commandment is Love, which is what God is, and to be a Christian, that is what we to do.
Since I have been so sick, all I am doing is sitting around, not doing to much. So I have a lot of time to concentrate on God. Singing and praising God is the most important activity that I am doing. Going on this site has made me dig so much deeper into the Bible. I have proven to myself that what I believe is true. In the Catholic Church we never read the Bible. I was rather surprised when I saw how much our Catholic knew about God's Word.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (kerwin @ Nov. 03 2009,12:30) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 02 2009,23:47) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2009,08:12) Constitutionalist, Are these the days you are calling Sabbath celebrations?
This is what is written about them in the 2 Chronicles history.
2 Chronicles 8:13(NIV) reads:
Quote according to the daily requirement for offerings commanded by Moses for Sabbaths, New Moons and the three annual feasts—the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Tabernacles.
There is the Weekly Sabbath, and then there are the Yearly Sabbaths, there is a Marriage Sabbath for newlyweds (1 year honeymoon basically) and there is the Seventh Year Sabbath.
I am confused as I do not see all these days in reading the Law of Mosses. I have found the seventh day Sabbath and the seventh year Sabbath but the rest are not so clear. It is possible you are referring to the Day of Atonement as the yearly Sabbath but I have no idea what you are calling the marriage Sabbath. Could you help me find them in the books of Law?
I did not catch your answer. Could you please repeat it. Thank you.Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 04 2009,17:38) Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
Yes princess of the king, Jesus was a wise man:Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 04 2009,21:30) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 03 2009,12:30) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 02 2009,23:47) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2009,08:12) Constitutionalist, Are these the days you are calling Sabbath celebrations?
This is what is written about them in the 2 Chronicles history.
2 Chronicles 8:13(NIV) reads:
Quote according to the daily requirement for offerings commanded by Moses for Sabbaths, New Moons and the three annual feasts—the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks and the Feast of Tabernacles.
There is the Weekly Sabbath, and then there are the Yearly Sabbaths, there is a Marriage Sabbath for newlyweds (1 year honeymoon basically) and there is the Seventh Year Sabbath.
I am confused as I do not see all these days in reading the Law of Mosses. I have found the seventh day Sabbath and the seventh year Sabbath but the rest are not so clear. It is possible you are referring to the Day of Atonement as the yearly Sabbath but I have no idea what you are calling the marriage Sabbath. Could you help me find them in the books of Law?
I did not catch your answer. Could you please repeat it. Thank you.
Day of atonement is Sabbath. All proscribed feasts begin and/or end in Sabbath.Also Marriage Sabbath is found in Mishna, depending if your schooled under Hillel or Shammai, Old custom was a yearly Sabbath within your own community to get to know your wife, and the marriage is an community affair. In todays time due to changes in todays world Marriage is 7 days, and is preferred in the community. Most Jews do not Sabbath in there own community anymore, most have become westernized. Sad, it should be for God and not western idealism.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 05 2009,20:33) Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 04 2009,17:38) Mat 22:37 Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command
Yes princess of the king, Jesus was a wise man:Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Do you even realize that if you want to keep the Old Covenant Law, that you are in debt to keep the whole Law?
That means you have to keep all of the Feasts to the Lord.
Unleavened Bread is one. Now you have to get all the leaven out of your House. Don't forget to clean your toaster and your Mattress, your closets, Empty all your Coat pockets, you might have a crumb in there. Then there is the Feast of Tabernacle. You have to take up other Housing in another City, you can't stay Home. And then you have to keep the
Passover, and the Day of Atonement. Did I miss anything. Oh, don't forget for Passover you need to get a new set of Dishes and China. You can't use the old set. Why, because it had leavened in it, when you used it. I probably missed something. Just look it all up in Leviticus.
Have fun now,
Peace and Love Irene
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