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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,07:06) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,22:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,16:30) The Urantia Book speaksabout fasting as though it is not ideal, this seems to not be correct based on the scientificevidence that fasting is very good for the body not to mention the extremely good benefits for th SPIRIT
Fasting was not a part of the religion of Jesus. In the kingdom everyday is a day to have a relationship with God and to do his will. Fasting evolved from the more primitive belief that God would be pleased with fasting, that man could manipulate the spirits.Everyday is a day to eat well and care for the temple of the body.
Insincere praying, as a compulsion, is an abomination to God. Like praying 5 times a day just because your religion says you should rather then because you truly desire to seek Gods guidance.
(1574.1) 140:5.8 2. “Happy are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.” Only those who feel poor in spirit will ever hunger for righteousness. Only the humble seek for divine strength and crave spiritual power. But it is most dangerous to knowingly engage in spiritual fasting in order to improve one’s appetite for spiritual endowments. Physical fasting becomes dangerous after four or five days; one is apt to lose all desire for food. Prolonged fasting, either physical or spiritual, tends to destroy hunger.
Colter
Matthew 4:1-3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Acts 13:1-3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
O ye who believe! fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #183)
Jesus even said this:
Matthew 17:19-21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
So we see here that not only Jesus fasted but he also taught his disciples to fast according to the scriptures
Jesus never told anyone where he went for the 40 days in the UB, the Son of God never afflicted his soul with fasting. His followers brought that practice into Paul's Christian religion.I don't fast or pray as a rule, everyday is holy to me.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,09:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,07:06) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,22:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,16:30) The Urantia Book speaksabout fasting as though it is not ideal, this seems to not be correct based on the scientificevidence that fasting is very good for the body not to mention the extremely good benefits for th SPIRIT
Fasting was not a part of the religion of Jesus. In the kingdom everyday is a day to have a relationship with God and to do his will. Fasting evolved from the more primitive belief that God would be pleased with fasting, that man could manipulate the spirits.Everyday is a day to eat well and care for the temple of the body.
Insincere praying, as a compulsion, is an abomination to God. Like praying 5 times a day just because your religion says you should rather then because you truly desire to seek Gods guidance.
(1574.1) 140:5.8 2. “Happy are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.” Only those who feel poor in spirit will ever hunger for righteousness. Only the humble seek for divine strength and crave spiritual power. But it is most dangerous to knowingly engage in spiritual fasting in order to improve one’s appetite for spiritual endowments. Physical fasting becomes dangerous after four or five days; one is apt to lose all desire for food. Prolonged fasting, either physical or spiritual, tends to destroy hunger.
Colter
Matthew 4:1-3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Acts 13:1-3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
O ye who believe! fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #183)
Jesus even said this:
Matthew 17:19-21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
So we see here that not only Jesus fasted but he also taught his disciples to fast according to the scriptures
Jesus never told anyone where he went for the 40 days in the UB, the Son of God never afflicted his soul with fasting. His followers brought that practice into Paul's Christian religion.I don't fast or pray as a rule, everyday is holy to me.
Colter
So you do not believe Jesus ever said:Matthew 6:16-18
New International Version (NIV)
16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Also do you not believe Jesus prayed to God?
From the Urantia Book:
(1002.5) 91:8.13 Prayer is not a technique of escape from conflict but rather a stimulus to growth in the very face of conflict. Pray only for values, not things; for growth, not for gratification.
9. Conditions of Effective Prayer
(1002.6) 91:9.1 If you would engage in effective praying, you should bear in mind the laws of prevailing petitions:
(1002.7) 91:9.2 1. You must qualify as a potent prayer by sincerely and courageously facing the problems of universe reality. You must possess cosmic stamina.
(1002.8) 91:9.3 2. You must have honestly exhausted the human capacity for human adjustment. You must have been industrious.
(1002.9) 91:9.4 3. You must surrender every wish of mind and every craving of soul to the transforming embrace of spiritual growth. You must have experienced an enhancement of meanings and an elevation of values.
(1002.10) 91:9.5 4. You must make a wholehearted choice of the divine will. You must obliterate the dead center of indecision.
(1002.11) 91:9.6 5. You not only recognize the Father’s will and choose to do it, but you have effected an unqualified consecration, and a dynamic dedication, to the actual doing of the Father’s will.
(1002.12) 91:9.7 6. Your prayer will be directed exclusively for divine wisdom to solve the specific human problems encountered in the Paradise ascension — the attainment of divine perfection.
(1002.13) 91:9.8 7. And you must have faith — living faith.
(1002.14) 91:9.9 [Presented by the Chief of the Urantia Midwayers.]
This is the book that has enlightened you, you don't agrre with this?
Budihartha, this has become silly. Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated. The UB has excelent teachings on prayer.
No, I don't believe Jesus fasted, we have his entire life story now in the Urantia revelation so we know what he actually taught and practiced. The gospels were written long after the death and resurrection of Jesus so some imperfect recollection should be assumed.
(1638.3) 146:2.3 2. That prayer which is inconsistent with the known and established laws of God is an abomination to the Paradise Deities. If man will not listen to the Gods as they speak to their creation in the laws of spirit, mind, and matter, the very act of such deliberate and conscious disdain by the creature turns the ears of spirit personalities away from hearing the personal petitions of such lawless and disobedient mortals. Jesus quoted to his apostles from the Prophet Zechariah: “But they refused to hearken and pulled away the shoulder and stopped their ears that they should not hear. Yes, they made their hearts adamant like a stone, lest they should hear my law and the words which I sent by my spirit through the prophets; therefore did the results of their evil thinking come as a great wrath upon their guilty heads. And so it came to pass that they cried for mercy, but there was no ear open to hear.” And then Jesus quoted the proverb of the wise man who said: “He who turns away his ear from hearing the divine law, even his prayer shall be an abomination.”
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,22:00) Budihartha, this has become silly. Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated. The UB has excelent teachings on prayer. No, I don't believe Jesus fasted, we have his entire life story now in the Urantia revelation so we know what he actually taught and practiced. The gospels were written long after the death and resurrection of Jesus so some imperfect recollection should be assumed.
(1638.3) 146:2.3 2. That prayer which is inconsistent with the known and established laws of God is an abomination to the Paradise Deities. If man will not listen to the Gods as they speak to their creation in the laws of spirit, mind, and matter, the very act of such deliberate and conscious disdain by the creature turns the ears of spirit personalities away from hearing the personal petitions of such lawless and disobedient mortals. Jesus quoted to his apostles from the Prophet Zechariah: “But they refused to hearken and pulled away the shoulder and stopped their ears that they should not hear. Yes, they made their hearts adamant like a stone, lest they should hear my law and the words which I sent by my spirit through the prophets; therefore did the results of their evil thinking come as a great wrath upon their guilty heads. And so it came to pass that they cried for mercy, but there was no ear open to hear.” And then Jesus quoted the proverb of the wise man who said: “He who turns away his ear from hearing the divine law, even his prayer shall be an abomination.”
Colter
Colter.You said the gospels were written long after Christ death.
What about the book of urantia?
How long after death was it written?wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,05:00) Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated.
Agreed. There is Biblical precedence set by Daniel, who would pray at certain times each day. (Although he did that alone in his own room, and not in a big group for the whole world to see and perhaps be “awed” at his great devotion to prayer or whatever.)But despite Daniel's regulated prayer regime, there is no scripture that instructs us to fast, pray at set times or in huge groups, or to otherwise make ourselves uncomfortable in the hopes that our fleshly acts will earn us kindness from God.
In fact, Jesus tells us to not pray in public, but to go into an inner room and make it between only us and God.
And Paul makes a good case about how nobody has ever gained anything according to the flesh (by fleshly works).
Asana, I don't condemn your prayer and fasting rites. If it makes you feel closer to God, then more power to you. I feel plenty close to God with a belly full of the good food He wonderfully provided for us on earth.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 11 2013,23:54) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,22:00) Budihartha, this has become silly. Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated. The UB has excelent teachings on prayer. No, I don't believe Jesus fasted, we have his entire life story now in the Urantia revelation so we know what he actually taught and practiced. The gospels were written long after the death and resurrection of Jesus so some imperfect recollection should be assumed.
(1638.3) 146:2.3 2. That prayer which is inconsistent with the known and established laws of God is an abomination to the Paradise Deities. If man will not listen to the Gods as they speak to their creation in the laws of spirit, mind, and matter, the very act of such deliberate and conscious disdain by the creature turns the ears of spirit personalities away from hearing the personal petitions of such lawless and disobedient mortals. Jesus quoted to his apostles from the Prophet Zechariah: “But they refused to hearken and pulled away the shoulder and stopped their ears that they should not hear. Yes, they made their hearts adamant like a stone, lest they should hear my law and the words which I sent by my spirit through the prophets; therefore did the results of their evil thinking come as a great wrath upon their guilty heads. And so it came to pass that they cried for mercy, but there was no ear open to hear.” And then Jesus quoted the proverb of the wise man who said: “He who turns away his ear from hearing the divine law, even his prayer shall be an abomination.”
Colter
Colter.You said the gospels were written long after Christ death.
What about the book of urantia?
How long after death was it written?wakeup.
The Urantia revelation occurred about 1900 years after Jesus left. It was composed by celestial beings who were on the earth during the life of Jesus.The Times of Michael’s Bestowal
(1332.1) 121:0.1 ACTING under the supervision of a commission of twelve members of the United Brotherhood of Urantia Midwayers, conjointly sponsored by the presiding head of our order and the Melchizedek of record, I am the secondary midwayer of onetime attachment to the Apostle Andrew, and I am authorized to place on record the narrative of the life transactions of Jesus of Nazareth as they were observed by my order of earth creatures, and as they were subsequently partially recorded by the human subject of my temporal guardianship. Knowing how his Master so scrupulously avoided leaving written records behind him, Andrew steadfastly refused to multiply copies of his written narrative. A similar attitude on the part of the other apostles of Jesus greatly delayed the writing of the Gospels.
Caino
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,02:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,05:00) Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated.
Agreed. There is Biblical precedence set by Daniel, who would pray at certain times each day. (Although he did that alone in his own room, and not in a big group for the whole world to see and perhaps be “awed” at his great devotion to prayer or whatever.)But despite Daniel's regulated prayer regime, there is no scripture that instructs us to fast, pray at set times or in huge groups, or to otherwise make ourselves uncomfortable in the hopes that our fleshly acts will earn us kindness from God.
In fact, Jesus tells us to not pray in public, but to go into an inner room and make it between only us and God.
And Paul makes a good case about how nobody has ever gained anything according to the flesh (by fleshly works).
Asana, I don't condemn your prayer and fasting rites. If it makes you feel closer to God, then more power to you. I feel plenty close to God with a belly full of the good food He wonderfully provided for us on earth.
Thanks Mike, we are on the same sheet of music.Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,02:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,05:00) Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated.
Agreed. There is Biblical precedence set by Daniel, who would pray at certain times each day. (Although he did that alone in his own room, and not in a big group for the whole world to see and perhaps be “awed” at his great devotion to prayer or whatever.)But despite Daniel's regulated prayer regime, there is no scripture that instructs us to fast, pray at set times or in huge groups, or to otherwise make ourselves uncomfortable in the hopes that our fleshly acts will earn us kindness from God.
In fact, Jesus tells us to not pray in public, but to go into an inner room and make it between only us and God.
And Paul makes a good case about how nobody has ever gained anything according to the flesh (by fleshly works).
Asana, I don't condemn your prayer and fasting rites. If it makes you feel closer to God, then more power to you. I feel plenty close to God with a belly full of the good food He wonderfully provided for us on earth.
Jesus taught his disciples fasting and in the and @ Colter in the Urantia book Jesus fasted as well it simply says he didn't do it to afflict his soul but neither do I fast to afflict my soul I do it for clear reflection of the grace and mercy of God.If Jesus did not promote and teach fasting then why would he give instruction on fasting?
Matthew 6:16-18
New International Version (NIV)
16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Tis is clearly instruction and endorsement on fasting and explanation that God rewards those who fast.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,05:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,02:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,05:00) Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated.
Agreed. There is Biblical precedence set by Daniel, who would pray at certain times each day. (Although he did that alone in his own room, and not in a big group for the whole world to see and perhaps be “awed” at his great devotion to prayer or whatever.)But despite Daniel's regulated prayer regime, there is no scripture that instructs us to fast, pray at set times or in huge groups, or to otherwise make ourselves uncomfortable in the hopes that our fleshly acts will earn us kindness from God.
In fact, Jesus tells us to not pray in public, but to go into an inner room and make it between only us and God.
And Paul makes a good case about how nobody has ever gained anything according to the flesh (by fleshly works).
Asana, I don't condemn your prayer and fasting rites. If it makes you feel closer to God, then more power to you. I feel plenty close to God with a belly full of the good food He wonderfully provided for us on earth.
Jesus taught his disciples fasting and in the and @ Colter in the Urantia book Jesus fasted as well it simply says he didn't do it to afflict his soul but neither do I fast to afflict my soul I do it for clear reflection of the grace and mercy of God.If Jesus did not promote and teach fasting then why would he give instruction on fasting?
Matthew 6:16-18
New International Version (NIV)
16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Tis is clearly instruction and endorsement on fasting and explanation that God rewards those who fast.
bodhitharta, if you want to fast the do it, I don't fast and I don't care if you do or if you don't.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,06:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,05:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,02:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,05:00) Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated.
Agreed. There is Biblical precedence set by Daniel, who would pray at certain times each day. (Although he did that alone in his own room, and not in a big group for the whole world to see and perhaps be “awed” at his great devotion to prayer or whatever.)But despite Daniel's regulated prayer regime, there is no scripture that instructs us to fast, pray at set times or in huge groups, or to otherwise make ourselves uncomfortable in the hopes that our fleshly acts will earn us kindness from God.
In fact, Jesus tells us to not pray in public, but to go into an inner room and make it between only us and God.
And Paul makes a good case about how nobody has ever gained anything according to the flesh (by fleshly works).
Asana, I don't condemn your prayer and fasting rites. If it makes you feel closer to God, then more power to you. I feel plenty close to God with a belly full of the good food He wonderfully provided for us on earth.
Jesus taught his disciples fasting and in the and @ Colter in the Urantia book Jesus fasted as well it simply says he didn't do it to afflict his soul but neither do I fast to afflict my soul I do it for clear reflection of the grace and mercy of God.If Jesus did not promote and teach fasting then why would he give instruction on fasting?
Matthew 6:16-18
New International Version (NIV)
16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Tis is clearly instruction and endorsement on fasting and explanation that God rewards those who fast.
bodhitharta, if you want to fast the do it, I don't fast and I don't care if you do or if you don't.Colter
Just explaining how your all encompassing book is severely lacking in the basicsQuote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,03:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 11 2013,23:54) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,22:00) Budihartha, this has become silly. Of coarse I pray, I do it “sincerely” not as a religious rule as I have already clearly stated. The UB has excelent teachings on prayer. No, I don't believe Jesus fasted, we have his entire life story now in the Urantia revelation so we know what he actually taught and practiced. The gospels were written long after the death and resurrection of Jesus so some imperfect recollection should be assumed.
(1638.3) 146:2.3 2. That prayer which is inconsistent with the known and established laws of God is an abomination to the Paradise Deities. If man will not listen to the Gods as they speak to their creation in the laws of spirit, mind, and matter, the very act of such deliberate and conscious disdain by the creature turns the ears of spirit personalities away from hearing the personal petitions of such lawless and disobedient mortals. Jesus quoted to his apostles from the Prophet Zechariah: “But they refused to hearken and pulled away the shoulder and stopped their ears that they should not hear. Yes, they made their hearts adamant like a stone, lest they should hear my law and the words which I sent by my spirit through the prophets; therefore did the results of their evil thinking come as a great wrath upon their guilty heads. And so it came to pass that they cried for mercy, but there was no ear open to hear.” And then Jesus quoted the proverb of the wise man who said: “He who turns away his ear from hearing the divine law, even his prayer shall be an abomination.”
Colter
Colter.You said the gospels were written long after Christ death.
What about the book of urantia?
How long after death was it written?wakeup.
The Urantia revelation occurred about 1900 years after Jesus left. It was composed by celestial beings who were on the earth during the life of Jesus.The Times of Michael’s Bestowal
(1332.1) 121:0.1 ACTING under the supervision of a commission of twelve members of the United Brotherhood of Urantia Midwayers, conjointly sponsored by the presiding head of our order and the Melchizedek of record, I am the secondary midwayer of onetime attachment to the Apostle Andrew, and I am authorized to place on record the narrative of the life transactions of Jesus of Nazareth as they were observed by my order of earth creatures, and as they were subsequently partially recorded by the human subject of my temporal guardianship. Knowing how his Master so scrupulously avoided leaving written records behind him, Andrew steadfastly refused to multiply copies of his written narrative. A similar attitude on the part of the other apostles of Jesus greatly delayed the writing of the Gospels.
Caino
Colter.There is a gap of 1900years there Colter.
A great black hole.
There can be *no gaps* concerning Gods word.
It has to be continues.
All generations needs to be given equal chance.
The old world before the flood, also knew God though
Adam and Enoch,the 7th from Adam.
Enoch knew God by the *HOLY GREAT ONE*.wakeup.
Quote Colter. There is a gap of 1900years there Colter.
A great black hole.
There can be *no gaps* concerning Gods word.
It has to be continues.
All generations needs to be given equal chance.
The old world before the flood, also knew God though
Adam and Enoch,the 7th from Adam.
Enoch knew God by the *HOLY GREAT ONE*.wakeup.
If you worship a book fetish instead of the Living God then yea, you will see a black hole. If you believe in the Satan God Trinity….Satan/Father/floating space man Jesus, then yes, you will be afraid of every new revelation of truth because it may be your more powerful Satan God playing tricks, then when you die and the other Father/floating space man Jesus part will torture you for an eternity in the lake of fire and bugs and plagues and chia pets and stuff.
So I can see why you are so fearful.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 13 2013,22:35) Quote Colter. There is a gap of 1900years there Colter.
A great black hole.
There can be *no gaps* concerning Gods word.
It has to be continues.
All generations needs to be given equal chance.
The old world before the flood, also knew God though
Adam and Enoch,the 7th from Adam.
Enoch knew God by the *HOLY GREAT ONE*.wakeup.
If you worship a book fetish instead of the Living God then yea, you will see a black hole. If you believe in the Satan God Trinity….Satan/Father/floating space man Jesus, then yes, you will be afraid of every new revelation of truth because it may be your more powerful Satan God playing tricks, then when you die and the other Father/floating space man Jesus part will torture you for an eternity in the lake of fire and bugs and plagues and chia pets and stuff.
So I can see why you are so fearful.
Colter
Colter.Esau and Jacob when they were born;Jacob was holding on to Esau's foot. There is no gap.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 13 2013,22:41) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 13 2013,22:35) Quote Colter. There is a gap of 1900years there Colter.
A great black hole.
There can be *no gaps* concerning Gods word.
It has to be continues.
All generations needs to be given equal chance.
The old world before the flood, also knew God though
Adam and Enoch,the 7th from Adam.
Enoch knew God by the *HOLY GREAT ONE*.wakeup.
If you worship a book fetish instead of the Living God then yea, you will see a black hole. If you believe in the Satan God Trinity….Satan/Father/floating space man Jesus, then yes, you will be afraid of every new revelation of truth because it may be your more powerful Satan God playing tricks, then when you die and the other Father/floating space man Jesus part will torture you for an eternity in the lake of fire and bugs and plagues and chia pets and stuff.
So I can see why you are so fearful.
Colter
Colter.Esau and Jacob when they were born;Jacob was holding on to Esau's foot. There is no gap.
wakeup.
Yes, the Jews have been experts at recognizing the truth.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 14 2013,00:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 13 2013,22:41) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 13 2013,22:35) Quote Colter. There is a gap of 1900years there Colter.
A great black hole.
There can be *no gaps* concerning Gods word.
It has to be continues.
All generations needs to be given equal chance.
The old world before the flood, also knew God though
Adam and Enoch,the 7th from Adam.
Enoch knew God by the *HOLY GREAT ONE*.wakeup.
If you worship a book fetish instead of the Living God then yea, you will see a black hole. If you believe in the Satan God Trinity….Satan/Father/floating space man Jesus, then yes, you will be afraid of every new revelation of truth because it may be your more powerful Satan God playing tricks, then when you die and the other Father/floating space man Jesus part will torture you for an eternity in the lake of fire and bugs and plagues and chia pets and stuff.
So I can see why you are so fearful.
Colter
Colter.Esau and Jacob when they were born;Jacob was holding on to Esau's foot. There is no gap.
wakeup.
Yes, the Jews have been experts at recognizing the truth.Colter
Colter.Blame the jews for all your contradictions.
Not hard to do;unless you are truly seeking the truth,
not some fables.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2013,01:42) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 14 2013,00:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 13 2013,22:41) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 13 2013,22:35) Quote Colter. There is a gap of 1900years there Colter.
A great black hole.
There can be *no gaps* concerning Gods word.
It has to be continues.
All generations needs to be given equal chance.
The old world before the flood, also knew God though
Adam and Enoch,the 7th from Adam.
Enoch knew God by the *HOLY GREAT ONE*.wakeup.
If you worship a book fetish instead of the Living God then yea, you will see a black hole. If you believe in the Satan God Trinity….Satan/Father/floating space man Jesus, then yes, you will be afraid of every new revelation of truth because it may be your more powerful Satan God playing tricks, then when you die and the other Father/floating space man Jesus part will torture you for an eternity in the lake of fire and bugs and plagues and chia pets and stuff.
So I can see why you are so fearful.
Colter
Colter.Esau and Jacob when they were born;Jacob was holding on to Esau's foot. There is no gap.
wakeup.
Yes, the Jews have been experts at recognizing the truth.Colter
Colter.Blame the jews for all your contradictions.
Not hard to do;unless you are truly seeking the truth,
not some fables.wakeup.
Wakeup, the Jews don't believe in Jesus. They think he was one of many false Messiahs who failed to live up to what the Jewish Messiah was supposed to do and be. I don't know why you rely on them.Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,12:51) If Jesus did not promote and teach fasting then why would he give instruction on fasting?
Matthew 19
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?
6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Was Jesus “promoting” divorce in the above teaching?
It seems to me that Jesus was “lessening the blow” of a man-made law/custom.
Similarly, when he told them not to go around looking all distraught when fasting, he was “lessening the blow” of a man-made law/custom.
I don't know of any teaching where Jesus recommended, required, or promoted fasting.
But like I said before, I'm not judging you in any way, Asana.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 14 2013,03:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2013,01:42) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 14 2013,00:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 13 2013,22:41) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 13 2013,22:35) Quote Colter. There is a gap of 1900years there Colter.
A great black hole.
There can be *no gaps* concerning Gods word.
It has to be continues.
All generations needs to be given equal chance.
The old world before the flood, also knew God though
Adam and Enoch,the 7th from Adam.
Enoch knew God by the *HOLY GREAT ONE*.wakeup.
If you worship a book fetish instead of the Living God then yea, you will see a black hole. If you believe in the Satan God Trinity….Satan/Father/floating space man Jesus, then yes, you will be afraid of every new revelation of truth because it may be your more powerful Satan God playing tricks, then when you die and the other Father/floating space man Jesus part will torture you for an eternity in the lake of fire and bugs and plagues and chia pets and stuff.
So I can see why you are so fearful.
Colter
Colter.Esau and Jacob when they were born;Jacob was holding on to Esau's foot. There is no gap.
wakeup.
Yes, the Jews have been experts at recognizing the truth.Colter
Colter.Blame the jews for all your contradictions.
Not hard to do;unless you are truly seeking the truth,
not some fables.wakeup.
Wakeup, the Jews don't believe in Jesus. They think he was one of many false Messiahs who failed to live up to what the Jewish Messiah was supposed to do and be. I don't know why you rely on them.Colter
Good post.
Big problems here with Christians they will reject Islam without skipping a beat although Islam agrees and confirms Jesus as Messiah and a Spirit proceeded from God but they will defend an protect the Jews who don't even believe in Jesus.You should see sometimes when a Christian is telling someone to accept Jesus or the person is going to hell and then you ask “what about the Jews?” Most will go blank
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 13 2013,19:33) You should see sometimes when a Christian is telling someone to accept Jesus or the person is going to hell and then you ask “what about the Jews?” Most will go blank.
Romans 11
24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!Read the entire chapter, Asana. Grace came to me through Abraham. I will not condemn or insult his children, and I think many Christians feel the same way.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2013,12:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2013,12:51) If Jesus did not promote and teach fasting then why would he give instruction on fasting?
Matthew 19
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?
6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Was Jesus “promoting” divorce in the above teaching?
It seems to me that Jesus was “lessening the blow” of a man-made law/custom.
Similarly, when he told them not to go around looking all distraught when fasting, he was “lessening the blow” of a man-made law/custom.
I don't know of any teaching where Jesus recommended, required, or promoted fasting.
But like I said before, I'm not judging you in any way, Asana.
Actually he was promoting tolerance within marriage and instructing that the tolerance should only be limited when it comes to sexual misconduct, so yes he was promoting the proper concept of marriage and the acceptable terms for the ending of marriage.There is no doubt that if Jesus didn't want people fasting he would have explained that fasting is not needed but instead he made the most important statement promoting fasting ever and that was this:
Mark 9:28-30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
28 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? 29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
In other words certain demons can't even be removed without prayer and fasting.
Not to mention after all the teaching of Jesus we see this after he was ascended:
Acts 10:30
And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,Acts 14:23
And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.1 Corinthians 7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.Fasting along with Prayer is a strong weapon against Satan
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