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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 09 2013,05:42) Quote You are either intellectually dishonest or stupid? The Koran teaches how to treat “slave girls”. This presupposes that Muslims had them 
(779.1) 69:8.2 Not long ago enslavement was the lot of those military captives who refused to accept the conqueror’s religion. In earlier times captives were either eaten, tortured to death, set to fighting each other, sacrificed to spirits, or enslaved. Slavery was a great advancement over massacre and cannibalism.
779.2) 69:8.3 Enslavement was a forward step in the merciful treatment of war captives. ……..
Wow!!! look at this:
(779.5) 69:8.6 Slavery was an indispensable link in the chain of human civilization. It was the bridge over which society passed from chaos and indolence to order and civilized activities; it compelled backward and lazy peoples to work and thus provide wealth and leisure for the social advancement of their superiors.
Backward and Lazy? what a statement talk about degradation.
(780.3) 69:8.12 Modern society is in reverse. Slavery has nearly disappeared; domesticated animals are passing. Civilization is reaching back to fire — the inorganic world — for power. Man came up from savagery by way of fire, animals, and slavery; today he reaches back, discarding the help of slaves and the assistance of animals, while he seeks to wrest new secrets and sources of wealth and power from the elemental storehouse of nature.
According to the Book of Urantia salavery was the only way out of savagery do you adopt that position, now that you have seen it as a Urantia revelation?
Quote ——->”[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.”<——– 49:4.4 ….. Sex equality prevails on all advanced worlds; male and female are equal in mind endowment and spiritual status. We do not regard a planet as having emerged from barbarism so long as one sex seeks to tyrannize over the other. This feature of creature experience is always greatly improved after the arrival of a Material Son and Daughter.
52:2.7 ….On some planets the male may rule the female; on others the reverse prevails. During this age normal worlds establish full equality of the sexes, this being preliminary to the fuller realization of the ideals of home life. This is the dawn of the golden age of the home. The idea of tribal rule gradually gives way to the dual concept of national life and family life.
O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women; and fear Allah through Whom you demand (your mutual rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship) . Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #1)
Surah 2:228 Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitablebut men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets; and giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the Allah-fearing.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #177)
Quote According to the Book of Urantia salavery was the only way out of savagery do you adopt that position, now that you have seen it as a Urantia revelation? I see you know how to do a word search in the UB, now if you could comprehend that those extrapolations are a discussion of history not an endorsement.
Much has been written by Muslim women about how they are treated TODAY within the religion. And the world can see the violence perpetuated in the name of Islam, every day, all over the world.
Colter
Erroneous Ideas of God
(59.6) 4:5.1 Religious tradition is the imperfectly preserved record of the experiences of the God-knowing men of past ages, but such records are untrustworthy as guides for religious living or as the source of true information about the Universal Father. Such ancient beliefs have been invariably altered by the fact that primitive man was a mythmaker.(60.1) 4:5.2 One of the greatest sources of confusion on Urantia concerning the nature of God grows out of the failure of your sacred books clearly to distinguish between the personalities of the Paradise Trinity and between Paradise Deity and the local universe creators and administrators. During the past dispensations of partial understanding, your priests and prophets failed clearly to differentiate between Planetary Princes, System Sovereigns, Constellation Fathers, Creator Sons, Superuniverse Rulers, the Supreme Being, and the Universal Father. Many of the messages of subordinate personalities, such as Life Carriers and various orders of angels, have been, in your records, presented as coming from God himself. Urantian religious thought still confuses the associate personalities of Deity with the Universal Father himself, so that all are included under one appellation.
(60.2) 4:5.3 The people of Urantia continue to suffer from the influence of primitive concepts of God. The gods who go on a rampage in the storm; who shake the earth in their wrath and strike down men in their anger; who inflict their judgments of displeasure in times of famine and flood — these are the gods of primitive religion; they are not the Gods who live and rule the universes. Such concepts are a relic of the times when men supposed that the universe was under the guidance and domination of the whims of such imaginary gods. But mortal man is beginning to realize that he lives in a realm of comparative law and order as far as concerns the administrative policies and conduct of the Supreme Creators and the Supreme Controllers.
(60.3) 4:5.4 The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices and penance and even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile and primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science and truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings and the divine rulers who serve and reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed in order to win his favor or to divert the fictitious divine wrath.
(60.4) 4:5.5 The Hebrews believed that “without the shedding of blood there could be no remission of sin.” They had not found deliverance from the old and pagan idea that the Gods could not be appeased except by the sight of blood, though Moses did make a distinct advance when he forbade human sacrifices and substituted therefor, in the primitive minds of his childlike Bedouin followers, the ceremonial sacrifice of animals.
(60.5) 4:5.6 The bestowal of a Paradise Son on your world was inherent in the situation of closing a planetary age; it was inescapable, and it was not made necessary for the purpose of winning the favor of God. This bestowal also happened to be the final personal act of a Creator Son in the long adventure of earning the experiential sovereignty of his universe. What a travesty upon the infinite character of God! this teaching that his fatherly heart in all its austere coldness and hardness was so untouched by the misfortunes and sorrows of his creatures that his tender mercies were not forthcoming until he saw his blameless Son bleeding and dying upon the cross of Calvary!
(60.6) 4:5.7 But the inhabitants of Urantia are to find deliverance from these ancient errors and pagan superstitions respecting the nature of the Universal Father. The revelation of the truth about God is appearing, and the human race is destined to know the Universal Father in all that beauty of character and loveliness of attributes so magnificently portrayed by the Creator Son who sojourned on Urantia as the Son of Man and the Son of God.
(61.1) 4:5.8 [Presented by a Divine Counselor of Uversa.]
Caino
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 09 2013,21:24) Quote According to the Book of Urantia salavery was the only way out of savagery do you adopt that position, now that you have seen it as a Urantia revelation? I see you know how to do a word search in the UB, now if you could comprehend that those extrapolations are a discussion of history not an endorsement.
Much has been written by Muslim women about how they are treated TODAY within the religion. And the world can see the violence perpetuated in the name of Islam, every day, all over the world.
Colter
You should also learn to do a word search in the Quran that way like me you can know what you are talking about. The Urantia Book declared slavery a “FORWARD STEP” and “INDESPENSIBLE” those are endorsement statements not historical statements.FYI: Historical statements do not impose opinion or motives of the event.
Face the truth about your evil religion BD.
WJ
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,04:23) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 09 2013,21:24) Quote According to the Book of Urantia salavery was the only way out of savagery do you adopt that position, now that you have seen it as a Urantia revelation? I see you know how to do a word search in the UB, now if you could comprehend that those extrapolations are a discussion of history not an endorsement.
Much has been written by Muslim women about how they are treated TODAY within the religion. And the world can see the violence perpetuated in the name of Islam, every day, all over the world.
Colter
You should also learn to do a word search in the Quran that way like me you can know what you are talking about. The Urantia Book declared slavery a “FORWARD STEP” and “INDESPENSIBLE” those are endorsement statements not historical statements.FYI: Historical statements do not impose opinion or motives of the event.
….“Not long ago enslavement was the lot of those military captives who refused to accept the conqueror’s religion. In earlier times captives were either eaten, tortured to death, set to fighting each other, sacrificed to spirits, or enslaved. Slavery was a great advancement over massacre and cannibalism.”I agree, better to be a slave than to be eaten or killed. But today we don't enslave anymore and in the more progressive nations women are liberated and equal with men.
Colter
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2013,04:56) http://youtu.be/H754R9tX2UY Face the truth about your evil religion BD.
WJ
Maybe someone will one day take a rod to that idiot, for that is all he knows.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,04:23) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 09 2013,21:24) Quote According to the Book of Urantia salavery was the only way out of savagery do you adopt that position, now that you have seen it as a Urantia revelation? I see you know how to do a word search in the UB, now if you could comprehend that those extrapolations are a discussion of history not an endorsement.
Much has been written by Muslim women about how they are treated TODAY within the religion. And the world can see the violence perpetuated in the name of Islam, every day, all over the world.
Colter
You should also learn to do a word search in the Quran that way like me you can know what you are talking about. The Urantia Book declared slavery a “FORWARD STEP” and “INDESPENSIBLE” those are endorsement statements not historical statements.FYI: Historical statements do not impose opinion or motives of the event.
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videos or photos of “Christians” that hung black people from trees or a burning cross of the Ku Klux Klan the call themselves Christians.NOTE: To me these are not Christians nor was Hitler but both are called “Christians”. Please lets not get into a who can do more bad when we should be uplifting those who do good and excel at good deeds. the point is with your video This of course is evil and not apart of Muslims who practice Islam by the Quran. It is barbarric culturalism
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2013,04:56) http://youtu.be/H754R9tX2UY Face the truth about your evil religion BD.
WJ
I keep telling you you will never find something in th Quran that you find disturbing without finding something similar in the Bible the question is can you then denounce the Biblefor the same thing you denounced in Islam?Proverbs 20:29-30
New International Version (NIV)
29 The glory of young men is their strength,
gray hair the splendor of the old.30 Blows and wounds scrub away evil,
and beatings purge the inmost being.Do you agree with this proverb or disagree?
Luke 12:47-48
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
47 If servants are not ready or willing to do what their master wants them to do, they will be beaten hard. 48 But servants who don’t know what their master wants them to do will not be beaten so hard for doing wrong. If God has been generous with you, he will expect you to serve him well. But if he has been more than generous, he will expect you to serve him even better.
Do you agree with this example by Jesus?
Proverbs 10:12-14
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
12 Hatred stirs up trouble;
love overlooks the wrongs
that others do.
13 If you have good sense,
it will show when you speak.
But if you are stupid,
you will be beaten
with a stick.
14 If you have good sense,
you will learn all you can,
but foolish talk
will soon destroy you.More advice you accept?
1 Corinthians 11:3 “Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.”
Do you agree that Men and Women are not equal as it says here?
Genesis 3:16 “To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.””
Should a Man rule over a woman according to the scriptures you judge with?
So as you were saying…
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,05:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2013,04:56) http://youtu.be/H754R9tX2UY Face the truth about your evil religion BD.
WJ
Maybe someone will one day take a rod to that idiot, for that is all he knows.
Notice I don't insult you and yet you say your religion has made you Compassionate and Graceful?The Urantia Book speaksabout fasting as though it is not ideal, this seems to not be correct based on the scientificevidence that fasting is very good for the body not to mention the extremely good benefits for th SPIRIT
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,12:53) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,05:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2013,04:56) http://youtu.be/H754R9tX2UY Face the truth about your evil religion BD.
WJ
Maybe someone will one day take a rod to that idiot, for that is all he knows.
Notice I don't insult you and yet you say your religion has made you Compassionate and Graceful?
Bodhitharta, not you, my comment was directed at the Muslim man in the video who was preaching why women should be beaten. . I opoligise for the confusion.Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,16:30) The Urantia Book speaksabout fasting as though it is not ideal, this seems to not be correct based on the scientificevidence that fasting is very good for the body not to mention the extremely good benefits for th SPIRIT
Fasting was not a part of the religion of Jesus. In the kingdom everyday is a day to have a relationship with God and to do his will. Fasting evolved from the more primitive belief that God would be pleased with fasting, that man could manipulate the spirits.Everyday is a day to eat well and care for the temple of the body.
Insincere praying, as a compulsion, is an abomination to God. Like praying 5 times a day just because your religion says you should rather then because you truly desire to seek Gods guidance.
(1574.1) 140:5.8 2. “Happy are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.” Only those who feel poor in spirit will ever hunger for righteousness. Only the humble seek for divine strength and crave spiritual power. But it is most dangerous to knowingly engage in spiritual fasting in order to improve one’s appetite for spiritual endowments. Physical fasting becomes dangerous after four or five days; one is apt to lose all desire for food. Prolonged fasting, either physical or spiritual, tends to destroy hunger.
Colter
3. Renunciation and Humiliation
(976.3) 89:3.1 Renunciation came as the next step in religious evolution; fasting was a common practice. Soon it became the custom to forgo many forms of physical pleasure, especially of a sexual nature. The ritual of the fast was deeply rooted in many ancient religions and has been handed down to practically all modern theologic systems of thought.*
(976.4) 89:3.2 Just about the time barbarian man was recovering from the wasteful practice of burning and burying property with the dead, just as the economic structure of the races was beginning to take shape, this new religious doctrine of renunciation appeared, and tens of thousands of earnest souls began to court poverty. Property was regarded as a spiritual handicap. These notions of the spiritual dangers of material possession were widespreadly entertained in the times of Philo and Paul, and they have markedly influenced European philosophy ever since.
(976.5) 89:3.3 Poverty was just a part of the ritual of the mortification of the flesh which, unfortunately, became incorporated into the writings and teachings of many religions, notably Christianity. Penance is the negative form of this ofttimes foolish ritual of renunciation. But all this taught the savage self-control, and that was a worth-while advancement in social evolution. Self-denial and self-control were two of the greatest social gains from early evolutionary religion. Self-control gave man a new philosophy of life; it taught him the art of augmenting life’s fraction by lowering the denominator of personal demands instead of always attempting to increase the numerator of selfish gratification.
(976.6) 89:3.4 These olden ideas of self-discipline embraced flogging and all sorts of physical torture. The priests of the mother cult were especially active in teaching the virtue of physical suffering, setting the example by submitting themselves to castration. The Hebrews, Hindus, and Buddhists were earnest devotees of this doctrine of physical humiliation.
(976.7) 89:3.5 All through the olden times men sought in these ways for extra credits on the self-denial ledgers of their gods. It was once customary, when under some emotional stress, to make vows of self-denial and self-torture. In time these vows assumed the form of contracts with the gods and, in that sense, represented true evolutionary progress in that the gods were supposed to do something definite in return for this self-torture and mortification of the flesh. Vows were both negative and positive. Pledges of this harmful and extreme nature are best observed today among certain groups in India.
(977.1) 89:3.6 It was only natural that the cult of renunciation and humiliation should have paid attention to sexual gratification. The continence cult originated as a ritual among soldiers prior to engaging in battle; in later days it became the practice of “saints.” This cult tolerated marriage only as an evil lesser than fornication. Many of the world’s great religions have been adversely influenced by this ancient cult, but none more markedly than Christianity. The Apostle Paul was a devotee of this cult, and his personal views are reflected in the teachings which he fastened onto Christian theology: “It is good for a man not to touch a woman.” “I would that all men were even as I myself.” “I say, therefore, to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them to abide even as I.” Paul well knew that such teachings were not a part of Jesus’ gospel, and his acknowledgment of this is illustrated by his statement, “I speak this by permission and not by commandment.” But this cult led Paul to look down upon women. And the pity of it all is that his personal opinions have long influenced the teachings of a great world religion. If the advice of the tentmaker-teacher were to be literally and universally obeyed, then would the human race come to a sudden and inglorious end. Furthermore, the involvement of a religion with the ancient continence cult leads directly to a war against marriage and the home, society’s veritable foundation and the basic institution of human progress. And it is not to be wondered at that all such beliefs fostered the formation of celibate priesthoods in the many religions of various peoples.
(977.2) 89:3.7 Someday man should learn how to enjoy liberty without license, nourishment without gluttony, and pleasure without debauchery. Self-control is a better human policy of behavior regulation than is extreme self-denial. Nor did Jesus ever teach these unreasonable views to his followers.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,05:26) Fasting evolved from the more primitive belief that God would be pleased with fasting, that man could manipulate the spirits. Everyday is a day to eat well and care for the temple of the body.
Insincere praying, as a compulsion, is an abomination to God. Like praying 5 times a day just because your religion says you should rather then because you truly desire to seek Gods guidance.
I agree with your points here, Colter.While it is true that certain people in scripture tried to sincerely show God their repentance and humility by fasting, wearing sackcloth, or covering their heads with dust, I don't believe that “regulated” praying or fasting is required by God…….. nor do I believe that doing those things at certain times, as required by your religion, is beneficial – either physically or spiritually.
I can't imagine that God wants human beings to suffer needlessly, like we do when going hungry or cutting ourselves, or otherwise causing ourselves to suffer needlessly.
That's just my two cents.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,22:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,12:53) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,05:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2013,04:56) http://youtu.be/H754R9tX2UY Face the truth about your evil religion BD.
WJ
Maybe someone will one day take a rod to that idiot, for that is all he knows.
Notice I don't insult you and yet you say your religion has made you Compassionate and Graceful?
Bodhitharta, not you, my comment was directed at the Muslim man in the video who was preaching why women should be beaten. . I opoligise for the confusion.Colter
I apologize to you for getting the wrong impression(I thought your explanation was the case)
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,22:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,16:30) The Urantia Book speaksabout fasting as though it is not ideal, this seems to not be correct based on the scientificevidence that fasting is very good for the body not to mention the extremely good benefits for th SPIRIT
Fasting was not a part of the religion of Jesus. In the kingdom everyday is a day to have a relationship with God and to do his will. Fasting evolved from the more primitive belief that God would be pleased with fasting, that man could manipulate the spirits.Everyday is a day to eat well and care for the temple of the body.
Insincere praying, as a compulsion, is an abomination to God. Like praying 5 times a day just because your religion says you should rather then because you truly desire to seek Gods guidance.
(1574.1) 140:5.8 2. “Happy are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.” Only those who feel poor in spirit will ever hunger for righteousness. Only the humble seek for divine strength and crave spiritual power. But it is most dangerous to knowingly engage in spiritual fasting in order to improve one’s appetite for spiritual endowments. Physical fasting becomes dangerous after four or five days; one is apt to lose all desire for food. Prolonged fasting, either physical or spiritual, tends to destroy hunger.
Colter
Matthew 4:1-3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Acts 13:1-3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
O ye who believe! fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #183)
Jesus even said this:
Matthew 17:19-21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
So we see here that not only Jesus fasted but he also taught his disciples to fast according to the scriptures
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,02:36) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,05:26) Fasting evolved from the more primitive belief that God would be pleased with fasting, that man could manipulate the spirits. Everyday is a day to eat well and care for the temple of the body.
Insincere praying, as a compulsion, is an abomination to God. Like praying 5 times a day just because your religion says you should rather then because you truly desire to seek Gods guidance.
I agree with your points here, Colter.While it is true that certain people in scripture tried to sincerely show God their repentance and humility by fasting, wearing sackcloth, or covering their heads with dust, I don't believe that “regulated” praying or fasting is required by God…….. nor do I believe that doing those things at certain times, as required by your religion, is beneficial – either physically or spiritually.
I can't imagine that God wants human beings to suffer needlessly, like we do when going hungry or cutting ourselves, or otherwise causing ourselves to suffer needlessly.
That's just my two cents.
I am fasting right now and I am not suffering nor am I fasting for any other reason than to focus solely on God and be closer. Fasting is a means of attaining piety, being conscious of Allah.The Ultimate Goal is God Cosciousness
I am not eating or drinking for 72 hours Iam on the 35 hour and God is sustaining me quite well. Fasting is a gift from God it makes a person so very grateful for all the things God has given us because we forget all the time, fasting makes us remember.
How many times do you drink a few sips of water out of a full cup and dump the rest down the sink? Well, some people don't have clean water to waste we should remember these people because when they come to mind we will at some point try to help them.
How much food do you toss out or let spoil in the fridge? Some people don't have a fridge or food to put in it we should be mindful of them andnothing makes you realize something more than when you can get a taste of it.
Hurt your leg or arm and watch how suddenly you will have empathy when you see others with that same injury even long after you are well. God is Mighty, Wise!
Fasting isnot of the Past it is of the Past, Present and Future even Medical science is saying fasting only 3 times amonth will make you much healthier. In themonth of Ramadan Muslims will not eat or drink from sunrise to sunset and then they are allowed to eat after the setting of the sun up until before it rises again. But sill I wated to be even closer to God so I will watch the sun rise and set, rise and set and rise and set and stay in th Presence of God and form a closer bond that when I go back to my daily routine I can have fond affection and memories of this tiny little moment when my entire HEART, SOUL and MIND was completely focused on GOD ALMIGHTY!
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