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Kerwin……I have tested them and found many wrong. I don’t just believe SOMETHING because a person has a scholar tag on his name, NOR do i always believe abridiged dictionaries either because the change their meanings over time, i apply the words they all use against as many scriptures as i can. I will always take what the sum of what scriptures say, not just one part of a scripture that can be taken all kind of ways. For example if scripture say there “are” seven spirits of GOD , I DO NOT TAKE THAT TO MEAN SEVEN ANGELS OF GOD. Espically when there are three or four other places in our text that says there is seven spirit of GOD also, and not one of them says those spirits are angels either. In fact there is not one scripture that says angels are really spirit enities themselves, while GOD DOES CREATE THEIR SPIRITS THEY HAVE IN THEM , HE ALSO CREATES OUR SPIRITS WE HAVE IN US TO.
As far as i was shown the oldest know pictorial language of the Hebrews the symbol of God, was a ox head, with a shepareds Staff leaning towards it. So it is clear to me the word represents more then just power as you falsely assume. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Kerwin…….if godly one is the same a the word God then why are there both words if tbe meanings are tbe same.
Why is there devil and devilish. Not all who are called devil are THE Devil.
T8……if you say it have other uses by applying the term GOD TO THOSE THINGS, as having other meanings then you are changing the words meaning. That is what IDOLATRY is all about, right making or changing the image ofthe “only” true God. Right?
Wrong. It is not me using the word to mean something else. Even one scripture proves your assumption wrong. Here is one scripture:
1 Samuel 14:15
And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people: the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled, and the earth quaked: so it was a very great (elohim) trembling.What say you now? Is the earthquake a false trembling, a false God, or a great earthquake?
Gene,
I have tested them and found many wrong.
I have not seen you test them for truth. I have not seen you test yourself for true either. For awhile the Lexicons that those mean trinity or 1 of each person thereof.
biblestudytools.com does it. They seam to reason that the pagan Greeks of that error had the trinity tenet in their religion. I find that reasoning absurd. The word neither supports or denies the trinity tenet. It is clearly a definition they invented to support the trinity tenet. They may claim that the spirit lead them to that definition but they have no justification for it. It is from their sinful nature.
Gene,
Make your case that elohim does not mean godly one. Notice you have already interpreted the English word god that is translated from the Koine Greek word theos that is itself translated from the Hebrew word elohim as the word godly.
Kerwin…..i have made the case for only one GOD, AND NOT ONLY ME BUT JESUS, AND GOD THE FATHER HAS ALSO. Now simple common sense should tell you if there is only one God then there can be only one word for a true GOD of any kind. T8 thinks an earthquake is ok to be called a God, how many other gods do you people know of, please tell me so i can understand your idolatarous connections.
Kerwin you can’t have it both ways, out of one side of your mouth you say there is only one GOD, AND OUT of the other side you have a unnumeral amount of so called GOD’S because the word god has all kinds of different meanings, but fail to say who they are, at least T8 admits he knows of an earthquake god, how about you
So i will start a list for you guy’s.
1…..earthquake god
2…..
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10….We’ll start with these, please you and T8 fill in the blanks.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Gene,
i have made the case for only one GOD, AND NOT ONLY ME BUT JESUS, AND GOD THE FATHER HAS ALSO
No one disagreed with you in the beginning. Making that case to people who agree with you does nothing. The fact the word god had more than one definition does not contradict it. You are just spinning your wheels and getting nowhere as your counterargument is not related to the case you are disputing.
Get on the topic and voice your evidence. From what I see you not only have no evidence that the word god has more than one definition but choose to deny the truth because you chose to listen to your sinful nature. That is not the way the godly seek to behave.
If you have evidence to support your claim that the word God has only one meaning then present it to us. If your repent of your unrighteousness and be productive in your service to God.
Kerwin…..Evidently you have not paid attention to any thing i have said over and over here, you arrogance and put down garabage has no GODLY character to it at all. First of all i never said there was more then ONE USE FOR THE WORD GOD, that is what you are saying NOT ME, by saying the word God have many different meanings, don’t accuse me of saying What you are.
You say you are not arguing about there being only on GOD. BUT ABOUT THE WORD god, which in the original text is written GOD NOT god all in upper case lettering. YOU SAY the word god has all kinds of other meanings but fail to post those other meanings. So i ask you to list your other gods but you fail to, but post a bounch of gibberish about the meanings of god is different. Do you honestly think that if i said to any one on this earth, who is your GOD or god, that they would say what do you mean by the word god or GOD, because it can mean so many different things.
I have explained to you the original pictorial language used for the word GOD, and it HAD only one word meaning just one thing REFERING TO ONE PERSON, not all kinds of different meanings, that it could be presented as, as you suppose, when the LORD OUR GOD said, I am the LORD your GOD and there are NO other GODS, he found none, was he also a liar, or did he say i am the only GOD except for the other meanings of the word god kerwin or any one else decides to come up with? PURE GRABAGE that is JUST YOUR worldly carnel mind working in you, wanting you to just prove yourself right, no matter what the truth is. You did the same thing with the subject of the WILL here, and when you could not prevail you start your personal attacks And accusations.
IMOSHOW ME ONE SCHOLAR AS YOU SAY THAT SAY THE WORD GOD HAS ALL KIND OF DIFFERENCE MEANINGS As you persume It does. If that were the case no one would even know what was meant by the use of the word God. The word GOD carries a definite meaning no two ways about it. What is you definition of the word GOD HAVE you ever posted it or do you even know what it is? Postit for us, and please don’t say it just power and so can be appled to any thing , even ants have power so are thy little ‘gods’ also. What is all you meanings of tbe word you call god can you please post them?
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Gene,
YOU SAY the word god has all kinds of other meanings but fail to post those other meanings.
I have posted them three times but you say you don’t agree with them even though the ones that determined them are as fluent as man in the Koine language. You give no reasons for not believing them except to say you are led by the spirit. I notice you use expert testimony when you want to. For example the one that says elohim means mighty or something like that. Are you just have trouble communicating your ideas?
Kerwin….. A godly person is not a god person in any sense of the word period. Godly simply means a person who condiders GOD IN WHAT HE IS DOING, he is simply godly minded, the (ly) added to the end of the word simply leaning toward something it is an action of a person. That in no way changes the meaning of the word GOD. If you believe there are other meanings to the word God, then i asked you for a list of them. So tell us those other meanings if you can. List them clearly and we will descus them each.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………….gene
Gene,
You are not the ancient Hebrews or the Koine Greek’s who evolved the meaning of the words elohim and theos respectively. Your reason is not their reasoning. In order to understand their languages the language spoke by those people you have to go by their definition not the definition you reason is correct. The best you can do with your reason is speculate on the reason they chose to put define elohim and theos as each group of people did.
I speculate to some extent myself as the origins of the word elohim are not known. It is by thought that it came from the word ayil which means ram, the leader of the flock. I speculate this because naming an animals kind and role are relatively simple. From there it would evolve so a people would say their leader was their ayil, aka ram. Once the idea expressed by word changed then that word would change. All that does not actually care.
What is important to correctly understand a language is to understand what its definitions are what definition or definitions apply in each case. That is what translators do when they translate words in one language to words in another. Fore example the we are told by the Blue Letter Bible site that elohim is translated to the following words:
<strong id=”yui-gen91″>The KJV translates Strongs H430 in the following manner:God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).
Do you believe that the translators of the KJV and every other version are wrong to translate the word elohim to other words that do not mean God?
T8 thinks an earthquake is ok to be called a God, how many other gods do you people know of, please tell me so i can understand your idolatarous connections.
You have lost the plot completely Gene.
It is in scripture. Your argument is with scripture. Not us.
We are trying to understand scripture. We are not agreeing like you that it is wrong.
You have the problem, not us.
1 Samuel 14:15
And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people: the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled, and the earth quaked: so it was a very great (elohim) trembling.Face reality.
- Did we write 1 Samuel 14:15? No.
- Are we including 1 Samuel 14:15 in our understanding? Yes.
- Does 1 Samuel 14:15 say elohim? Yes.
What more can we say. Accept the scripture or not.
We accept it.
K/t8
1Sa 14:15 Then panic struck the whole army—those in the camp and field, and those in the outposts and raiding parties—and the ground shook. It was a panic sent by God.
his this scriptures false or true ?
Terricca…… THANKS, THAT IS ALSO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, Because when we take all the other scriptures that describe who GOD IS AND WHAT HE DOES, and put them together, it has to mean it that way. It must mean it was GOD WHO WAS CAUSING THAT EARTH TO TRIMBLE . Not that the trimbling eart hwas a GOD OR ELOHIM, AS T8 FALSELY ASSUMES.
peace and love to you and yours PIERRE………………gene
Kerwin……The “SUM” of GOD’S word is truth. I quoted many places in our text where GOD THE FATHER SAID about otherSO-CALLED GODS, he even said he look for OTHER GODS and found non, That alone should be paramount in your mind, about who and what that word was identifying, JESUS ALSO CLEARIFIED who and what that word represented.
My question to you and T8 would be, wy do you guy’s even want to find other meanings to the word God, by changing it’s content some way. I think i know T8’S REASON, HE need a “little” god to be JESUS TO ALINE WITH HIS JOHN 1:1 RENDITION of Jesus’ “prexistence”, but you i don’t understand why, unless it’s just a matter of pride of somekind.
I would watch going after all your so-called scholars, they can’t even agree among themselves much of the time. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO Put the SUM OF all scriptures and from there draw our conclusions, and i would put God the Father’s words above all others, and Jesus also. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
T,
K/t8
1Sa 14:15 Then panic struck the whole army—those in the camp and field, and those in the outposts and raiding parties—and the ground shook. It was a panic sent by God.
his this scriptures false or true ?
The scripture but what does it mean. Did Jehovah send the panic or did Satan. Even if Satan did so for his own motive God allowed him to do so for his motive and their motives are in opposition to one another.
Gene,
Kerwin……The “SUM” of GOD’S word is truth. I quoted many places in our text where GOD THE FATHER SAID about otherSO-CALLED GODS, he even said he look for OTHER GODS and found non,
You are still trying to force the word god to have just one meaning instead of accepting it has more than one and going on from. I see no reason to follow that rabbit down the hole.
It could be that Terr, even though the vast majority of translations use the word to mean ‘great’.
1 Samuel 14:15 (ASV) And there was a trembling in the camp, in the field, and among all the people; the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled; and the earth quaked: so there was an exceeding great trembling.
1 Samuel 14:15 (ESV) And there was a panic in the camp, in the field, and among all the people. The garrison and even the raiders trembled, the earth quaked, and it became a very great panic.
1 Samuel 14:15 (GNT) All the Philistines in the countryside were terrified; the raiders and the soldiers in the camp trembled with fear; the earth shook, and there was great panic.
1 Samuel 14:15 (GNTA) All the Philistines in the countryside were terrified; the raiders and the soldiers in the camp trembled with fear; the earth shook, and there was great panic.
1 Samuel 14:15 (HNV) There was a trembling in the camp, in the field, and among all the people; the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled; and the eretz quaked: so there was an exceeding great trembling.
1 Samuel 14:15 (KJV) And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people: the garrison, and the spoilers , they also trembled , and the earth quaked : so it was a very great trembling.
1 Samuel 14:15 (LEB) Then there was terror in the camp, in the open field, and among all the army of the garrison. Even the {raiders} trembled. The earth shook, and it became {a very great panic}.
1 Samuel 14:15 (MSG) That set off a terrific upheaval in both camp and field, the soldiers in the garrison and the raiding squad badly shaken up, the ground itself shuddering – panic like you’ve never seen before!
1 Samuel 14:15 (NAS) And there was a trembling in the camp, in the field, and among all the people. Even the garrison and the raiders trembled, and the earth quaked so that it became a great trembling.
1 Samuel 14:15 (NKJV) And there was trembling in the camp, in the field, and among all the people. The garrison and the raiders also trembled; and the earth quaked, so that it was a very great trembling.
1 Samuel 14:15 (NRS) There was a panic in the camp, in the field, and among all the people; the garrison and even the raiders trembled; the earth quaked; and it became a very great panic.
1 Samuel 14:15 (RSV) And there was a panic in the camp, in the field, and among all the people; the garrison and even the raiders trembled; the earth quaked; and it became a very great panic.
1 Samuel 14:15 (TMB) And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people. The garrison and the despoilers also trembled, and the earth quaked; so it was a very great trembling.
1 Samuel 14:15 (WBT) And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people: the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled, and the earth quaked: so it was a very great trembling.
1 Samuel 14:15 (WEB) There was a trembling in the camp, in the field, and among all the people; the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled; and the earth quaked: so there was an exceeding great trembling.
I did manage to find some translations that support your view:
1 Samuel 14:15 (YLT) and there is a trembling in the camp, in the field, and among all the people, the station and the destroyers have trembled — even they, and the earth shaketh, and it becometh a trembling of God.
1 Samuel 14:15 (NIV) Then panic struck the whole army–those in the camp and field, and those in the outposts and raiding parties–and the ground shook. It was a panic sent by God.
1 Samuel 14:15 (TNIV) Then panic struck the whole army–those in the camp and field, and those in the outposts and raiding parties–and the ground shook. It was a panic sent by God.
Jonah 3:3
So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly (elohim) great city, a three days’ walk..What about this verse then?
If we make 1 Samuel 14:15 mean that the trembling or quaking was from God rather than being a GREAT trembling, then to be fair you would have to say that in Jonah 3:3, Nineveh was a city of God or God’s city and the use of the word ‘elohim’ is not being used as meaning EXCEEDINGLY GREAT city.
According to Wikipedia, Nineveh was the largest city in the world for some fifty years.
Nineveh, the capital of Assyria, was destroyed in 612 B.C. by the Medes. This was in fulfillment of the prophet Nahum’s prediction that God would completely destroy the city (Nahum 1).
t8
If we make 1 Samuel 14:15 mean that the trembling or quaking was from God rather than being a GREAT trembling, then to be fair you would have to say that in Jonah 3:3, Nineveh was a city of God or God’s city and the use of the word ‘elohim’ is not being used as meaning EXCEEDINGLY GREAT city.
I believe that it would be call it a great or very great city ;for any city in those days that takes 3 days to cross or to be able to visit it completely ,this would mean at 3 km an hour make it 6 hours a day 18km per day x 3 = 46 km divided by 3.14 =16 km across plus the fields the animals that to me sounds like a great city for the times
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