The only true god by stephen charnock

[KangarooJack]

The FATHER is called likewise, the “true GOD,” in opposition to idols; for when CHRIST says all power was given to him, that he might give eternal life to as many as were given to him, those that were given to him were among the Gentiles as well as the Jews; he here respects them both. The Gentiles worshipped many gods, the Jews worshipped one GOD, but rejected CHRIST as Medi­ator. Now the knowledge of both is necessary to salva­tion. In the first clause he respects the multiplicity of heathen gods, in the other the Jewish contempt of the Mediator. So, then, the expression excludes only the heathen idols. In 1 Thess. 1: 9: “How you turned to God from idols, to serve the living and true God.” God is called the true God in opposition to idols.

http://wesley.nnu.edu/john_we….rt8.htm

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Yes you have many gods but the Father is the God of Israel and Jesus.
Abhor idols

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi All

Jesus is first in the lives of believers. Paul the Apostle said that he counted everything but loss that he may win Christ!

Hebrews states “but we see Jesus” who is the Author and finisher of our faith!

Jesus said he was our Lord and Master.

Paul said that he was a bondslave to Jesus Christ and that he was not his own but bought with a price, the price of Jesus own blood! In other words like a slave to its Master we are owned by Jesus.

Jesus said we must die for him.

As Christians we do everything in Jesus name. We pray to him, we bow to him, we repent of our sins to him, we give our all to him.

In fact Jesus told us to honour him “even as” we honour the Father!

If Jesus was not our Great God and Savour as Paul and the Apostles called him, then we commit Idolatry when we do all the above mentioned.

Jesus is the “Image of the invisible God” or the “visible image of God”. Ask yourselves, would God have us give this kind of unreserved devotion to an image that was not part of his own being? Wouldn't that according to the definition of Idols be making Jesus an Idol if you see him who is the image of God as less than God?

“idols“

1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible. a. an image of a deity other than God.
b. the deity itself.

3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion: Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.  
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.

“idol“

1.
a. An image used as an object of worship.
b. A false god.
2. One that is adored, often blindly or excessively.
3. Something visible but without substance

Are you serving an “Idol” or are you serving God who was the Word that came in the flesh?

Because if you are unreservedly serving Jesus as your Lord and your Master then you are serving God or you are serving an Idol!

If it is the latter, you are not serving him at all!

WJ

[KangarooJack]

WorshippingJesus said:

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Jesus said we must die for him.

Keith,
Excellent point! The ultimate sacrifice we can make is to die for Christ. This would be idolatry if He is not God.

thinker

[GeneBalthrop]

WJ……..Jesus also said “for thou are the (ONLY) true GOD” , He also said I always do what pleases the FATHER, He also said I am going to My Father and Your Father, (MY) GOD and YOUR GOD. He also said (OUR) Father (his and ours) who art in Heaven (THY) Kingdom come (THY) WILL be done in the EARTH as it is in HEAVEN. Seems only (ONE) WILL is to be DONE , was it Jesus' WILL (NO) ” the son of man came (NOT) to do His WILL , but the WILL of HIM who sent HIM. I could go on and on WJ, but will you believe it (NO) You will not except it even if Jesus Himself said it, that to me is SAD WJ.

God help us all…………………….gene

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 07 2009,12:44)

WJ……..Jesus also said “for thou are the (ONLY) true GOD” , He also said I always do what pleases the FATHER, He also said I am going to My Father and Your Father, (MY) GOD and YOUR GOD. He also said (OUR) Father (his and ours) who art in Heaven (THY) Kingdom come (THY) WILL be done in the EARTH as it is in HEAVEN. Seems only (ONE) WILL is to be DONE , was it Jesus' WILL (NO) ” the son of man came (NOT) to do His WILL , but the WILL of HIM who sent HIM. I could go on and on WJ, but will you believe it (NO) You will not except it even if Jesus Himself said it, that to me is SAD WJ. God help us all…………………….gene

It is true that Jesus called the Father the only true God. But Charnock has keenly pointed out that the expression excludes idols. Jesus is not an idol. The Father Himself reciprocates and calls Jesus “God” and attributes the creation to Him. (Hebrews 1:8-10).

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Gene said:

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thinker……..Interesting, Jesus did not think he was a trinity , saying “FOR THOU ARE THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. But then again you trinitarians have many different way of views and changing Jesus' words right. And even GOD himself said you shall have not other GOD besides Me and said there was NO GOD except HIM. But you trinitarians ignore Jesus and GOD the FATHER  to equal three GOD'S . gene

From opening post to this thread:

The FATHER is called likewise, the “true GOD,” in opposition to idols; for when CHRIST says all power was given to him, that he might give eternal life to as many as were given to him, those that were given to him were among the Gentiles as well as the Jews; he here respects them both. The Gentiles worshipped many gods, the Jews worshipped one GOD, but rejected CHRIST as Medi­ator. Now the knowledge of both is necessary to salva­tion. In the first clause he respects the multiplicity of heathen gods, in the other the Jewish contempt of the Mediator. So, then, the expression excludes only the heathen idols. In 1 Thess. 1: 9: “How you turned to God from idols, to serve the living and true God.” God is called the true God in opposition to idols.

http://wesley.nnu.edu/john_we….rt8.htm

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
You should not make Jesus your idol.
God was in Him

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 07 2009,12:36)

WorshippingJesus said: Quote Jesus said we must die for him. Keith, Excellent point! The ultimate sacrifice we can make is to die for Christ. This would be idolatry if He is not God. thinker

Where did Jesus say you must die for him?

Can you put the scripture

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:45)

Hi TT, You should not make Jesus your idol. God was in Him

I often see you as making Jesus your Idol as they make Jesus their God

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:19)

Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 07 2009,12:36) WorshippingJesus said: Quote Jesus said we must die for him. Keith, Excellent point! The ultimate sacrifice we can make is to die for Christ. This would be idolatry if He is not God. thinker Where did Jesus say you must die for him? Can you put the scripture

Jesus said:

“Except a man take up his cross and follow Me he cannot be my disciple.”

This involves sacrifice even if it be unto death.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:20)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:45) Hi TT, You should not make Jesus your idol. God was in Him I often see you as making Jesus your Idol as they make Jesus their God

And Allah is a god from your own imagination.

thinker

[banana]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 02 2009,11:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:45) Hi TT, You should not make Jesus your idol. God was in Him I often see you as making Jesus your Idol as they make Jesus their God And Allah is a god from your own imagination. thinker

thinker I don't to often agee with you, but with this I do. It is really nice to be united sometimes.
Peace and Love

[GeneBalthrop]

Thinker……..I suppose when GOD said not to Have any other God's besides Him, He did not (REALLY) mean that right, according to you Trinitarians He forgot that there were two other GOD'S besides HIM right. I don't recall Him saying, you shall have no other Gods besides Jesus Christ, the holy Spirit, and me, God the FATHER, did you? Thinker if you talk enough you'll talk yourself in believing every Lie there is. Twisting the clear words of Jesus and God the FATHER, and pushing MYSTERY RELIGION of the TRINITY is the sign of the Apostate Churches. Which Jesus will destory with his own mouth when He returns, as 2Ths 2 clearly says.

gene

gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 02 2009,11:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:19) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 07 2009,12:36) WorshippingJesus said: Quote Jesus said we must die for him. Keith, Excellent point! The ultimate sacrifice we can make is to die for Christ. This would be idolatry if He is not God. thinker Where did Jesus say you must die for him? Can you put the scripture Jesus said: “Except a man take up his cross and follow Me he cannot be my disciple.” This involves sacrifice even if it be unto death. thinker

If you say Jesus said something shouldn't you have the verse in which he said it?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 02 2009,11:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:45) Hi TT, You should not make Jesus your idol. God was in Him I often see you as making Jesus your Idol as they make Jesus their God And Allah is a god from your own imagination. thinker

Really? What language did Jesus actually speak? After you tell me that then tell me how would he say God in that language?

Oh wait a minue!

You think Jesus is english!

Alaha
Allah
Eloah

What languages are these once you figure that out go and pray and ask God to forgive you calling Him imaginary because of your own lack of knowledge.

Acts 10:46 (English Standard Version)
46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,13:37)

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 02 2009,11:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:45) Hi TT, You should not make Jesus your idol. God was in Him I often see you as making Jesus your Idol as they make Jesus their God And Allah is a god from your own imagination. thinker Really? What language did Jesus actually speak? After you tell me that then tell me how would he say God in that language? Oh wait a minue! You think Jesus is english! Alaha Allah Eloah What languages are these once you figure that out go and pray and ask God to forgive you calling Him imaginary because of your own lack of knowledge. Acts 10:46 (English Standard Version) 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,

I was not talking about the name “Allah.” I was talking about the person you call “Allah.” He is a figment of your imagination.

thinker

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 03 2009,05:19)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,13:37) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 02 2009,11:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:45) Hi TT, You should not make Jesus your idol. God was in Him I often see you as making Jesus your Idol as they make Jesus their God And Allah is a god from your own imagination. thinker Really? What language did Jesus actually speak? After you tell me that then tell me how would he say God in that language? Oh wait a minue! You think Jesus is english! Alaha Allah Eloah What languages are these once you figure that out go and pray and ask God to forgive you calling Him imaginary because of your own lack of knowledge. Acts 10:46 (English Standard Version) 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, I was not talking about the name “Allah.” I was talking about the person you call “Allah.” He is a figment of your imagination. thinker

Yes, you were talking about the name ALLAH, When did I ever say ALLAH was a person?

But I am glad you understand the point, ALLAH is GOD and should not be mocked in any language and once informed ignorance cannot be claimed as an excuse.

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,13:20)

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 02 2009,11:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,09:19) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 07 2009,12:36) WorshippingJesus said: Quote Jesus said we must die for him. Keith, Excellent point! The ultimate sacrifice we can make is to die for Christ. This would be idolatry if He is not God. thinker Where did Jesus say you must die for him? Can you put the scripture Jesus said: “Except a man take up his cross and follow Me he cannot be my disciple.” This involves sacrifice even if it be unto death. thinker If you say Jesus said something shouldn't you have the verse in which he said it?

really BOD, one should have verses to back them up.

you should try that.

you know verses that within it talk about and reference to the actual topic at hand. words that specifically talk with certainty that which is discussed.

not multiple verses with only using a word here and there to cut and past one view then us it to your whim.

[terraricca]

hi
how can someone die for Crhist were is it said he needed this sacrifice?
if you die in Christ now you die for youself in the faith you have in God and christ that the are able to bring you back to live,that is our hope,no?yes?

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