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Jesus said to GOD THE FATHER that HE WAS THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. What should these words mean to us all?
WHAT SAY YOU?
peace and love to you and yours. ………………….gene
It means what it says. All things originate in him, including the son.
He is the Father of spirits. The God of all creation. The source of all good. The creator.
Jesus said to GOD THE FATHER that HE WAS THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. What should these words mean to us all?
WHAT SAY YOU?
peace and love to you and yours. ………………….gene
Hi Gene,
It means exactly what you think it means, it means all other gods are FALSE gods.
Jesus in not called a god of any sort, though his pedigree suggests he was born 1/2 God.
Jesus is called “Lord” (meaning owner) because he paid our sin debt; our sin was laid upon him.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODEdj…….I agree with you, I believe the word “ONLY” means exactly that, so there is “NO” OTHER, “TRUE” God’s, so all other so-called God’s, big or little have to be, “FALSE” God’s. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
The interesting thing though is elohim is also used to describe something. There is a verse in scripture that applied that word to an earthquake. Thus it means it was a great earthquake. I would have to double check what I just said, but no time right now to check. Theos itself is used for many things too.
But I agree, that there is only one true God, and while others are called gods legitimately or as being false, there still is only one true God, the Father.
Consider this verse:
There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
Notice that there is one baptism, yet we know there is baptism of the Spirit and baptism in water, and even a baptism of fire. Then there is one Spirit, yet we know there are angels who are spirits.
So in understanding this one baptism and one spirit means we can understand one God.
Not disagreeing with anyone’s post so far, just pointing this out for further discussion.
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T8……There is only one true baptism (into the true faith) but we are both physical and spritual, so two baptisms, one spritual and one physical, but both are for the normal process of the “ONE” true faith. The physical was first then comes the spritual, but both work serving the same purpose in the “ONE” true faith.
Remember we are told that the law represents a shadow of things to come, under the law we were shown a physical baptism or cleaning must take place, before comming into the physical temple of GOD to worship him, these are shadows or examples of the spritual cleansing process that must take place in order for us to live in GOD’S PRESENCE FOREVER. But again both cleansing baptisms work for the “ONE” and same PURPOSE, so we can be presented properly before GOD. So in that sense there is only “ONE TRUE”, BAPTISM. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
@GeneBalthrop and all,
Hi Gene, you asked a good and popular question, one that we must seek to know the answer to, imo.
you said:
Jesus said to GOD THE FATHER that HE WAS THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. What should these words mean to us all?
Knowing who God the Father is would be important in answering this question.
So, who is God the Father?
a. Is He someone that has always had a Son and a Spirit as an INTEGRAL part of Him?
Or
b. Is He someone that did not always have a Son and a Spirit as an INTEGRAL part of Him? In other words, was there a time when the Father was not actually a ‘father’. Was there a time when the Father did not have His own spirit?Integral part is meant, here, to mean: essential to completeness.
I believe that choice ‘a’ is in line with what the Bible teaches and I believe that the early church understood this. God the Father has always been perfect, lacking nothing…He has always had within Him-His only Son and His Spirit.
God bless!
Lightenup…….if you believe that the son alway existed in the FATHER, THEN we also can say we always existed also,does scripture not say, “know you not you are the sons of GOD”, and again “for as many as are led by thespirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Truth is JESUS’ NEVER EXISTED BEFORE HE WAS BORN ON THIS EARTH, NOR HAVE WE PREXISTED EITHER. While we all including Jesus was in the plan and will of God, none of that makes us alive before we were born into existence.
The false teaching of Jesus’ preexistence before his berth on this earth as a God, was created by Satan himself, to “SEPERATE” Jesus’ idenity from ours. Jesus was and is an ordinary human being that God the Father perfected, died, and was raised back to life from the dead by God the Father, giving an example and hope to all his fellow brothers and sisters who have excepted his sacrifice for our sins.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………..gene
Nick….God in scripture also said, “there is no God but God himself”. Jesus said in prayer to God the Father “YOU ARE THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. “ONLY TRUE” MEANS ALL OTHER “SO-CALLED” GOD’S ARE “FALSE” GOD’S, TO ALL “TRUE” BELIEVERS THAT IS.
IT’S ALL A MATTER OF WHO ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE, God the Father and Jesus, or man. Remember NICK ALL ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES WERE WRITTEN UPPER CASE WORDS, SO THERE IS NO little god’s in the original text. That was add by man to make under the influence of Satan to make it appear that there are BIG GOD’S AND lesser god’s. For the purpose of making Jesus appear as a pre-existent God being. To “seperate” him from our personal idenity with him as a purely human being As we are.
Nick you full well know there is “Only” “one” “True” God. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
Nick….God in scripture also said, “there is no God but God himself”. Jesus said in prayer to God the Father “YOU ARE THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. “ONLY TRUE” MEANS ALL OTHER “SO-CALLED” GOD’S ARE “FALSE” GOD’S, TO ALL “TRUE” BELIEVERS THAT IS.
Let’s apply your understanding here to another word that is similarly used.
There is one who is the Devil, there are not two, three, four, five, etc. He is called Satan. But Jesus said about Judas, “one of you is a devil”. Thus, according to your teaching, Jesus was calling Judas a false devil. It doesn’t make sense.
The meaning of true God, is this, that all legitimate gods, (elohim & theos) came from him and are under his authority. They are sourced in him. Likewise, all devils, are of their father the Devil. They have his nature &/or character. So you have the Devil and devils.
That is all it means. Saying that all others are false is itself false.
Notice that Jesus said once: “you are of your Father, the Devil” and we know that those that are of God, are of their Father who is YHWH.
If a devil means they are of their Father the Devil, then can, god/theos/elohim mean they are of their Father God?
“I said, “You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.“
Definition:
- a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
- spoken of the only and true God
- refers to the things of God
- his counsels, interests, things due to him
- whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
- God’s representative or viceregent
- of magistrates and judges
- God’s representative or viceregent
T8….SHOW US WHER SCRIPTURE SAY God’s representive is a God. Even Moses is said to be a representive of God to Aron and the people. But a representive of something is far from being the thing he or she represents. No prophet was ever called a God at any time in scripture.
When Moses acted as a God, to do a miacle at the water meriba, GOD SAID HE BROKE FAITH WITH HIM, and he was not permited to go into the promise land as a result. Had you been there would be calling him a God also?
Your rendition about devils, is also false, because Juda HIMSELF WAS NOT THE DEVIL , scripture says the devil entered into him, THE DEVIL POSSESED HIM, AND THEREFORE HE CARRIED OUT HIS WILL. This also applies to where it say’s you are God’s, meaning his possesion.
IF YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD, scripture says, “HE “WORKS” IN YOU “BOTH” TO “WILL” AND “DO” OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE” ANOTHER words you are His possesion, but are you a God? Apsolutely not. Just as Juda was a possesion of the devil, BUT NOT THE DEVIL so also are those who are God’s possesion. But none of that made Juda a devil himself, nor does it make a person a God himself, If GOD THE ONE AND “ONLY” TRUE GOD, POSSES HIM.
How can you guys ignore all the scriptures where God the Father himself said, “there was no other God’s besides him”, and where he even said he look for one and found none. But and even deny his very own commandments which clearly say “YOU SHALL HAVE “NO” OTHER GOD BESIDES “ME”. BUT YOU SAY THERE ARE MANY OTHER GOD’S, T8 AND NICK, PLEASE list all your other God’s the big ones and the little ones.
T8, Your still trying to advance your FALSE THEORY about JESUS PREXISTING AS A GOD, OR SHOULD I SAY, A “LITTLE” theos, as if such things existS as big theos and little theos.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
@GeneBalthrop
Hi Gene, would you be interested in a closed discussion with me about these and other things?Hi,
Jesus came to reveal to us THE FATHER.
He showed the word GOD was generic and thus not how to speak of his FATHER
Nick……Scripture please on how the word God was generic. God the Father said there are no other God’s besides him, but you say the word is generic, so please list some other diety’s you know of. What part of these words you dont understand…..”FOR THOU ARE THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD”. HOW DO YOU GET “GENERIC” OUT OF THAT? YOU SPEAK OF OTHERS ADDING THEIR OWN THOUGHTS ARE YOU NOT DOING THE SAME THING HERE.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene..
Nick……… we are God’s, only in a possevie sense, as belonging to him, but that is not saying they are True God’s , now is it?
GOD THE father said , ALL THE EARTH IS MINE , AND THE FULINESS THERE OF. SO WE ARE GOD’S IN A POSSEVE SENSE. BUT ARE WE OURSELVES A GOD, “NO” . WHY DO YOU TRY TO MAKE SCRIPTURE SAY WE ARE A GOD FOR ANY WAY?
PLEASE LIST JUST ONE OTHER GOD YOU KNOW, IS JESUS A GOD TO YOU? PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION NICK.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Would you please respond to my question on the previous page? Thanks 🙂
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